BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 04:37 PM

GUEST T, you are simply wrong.

"Gay and bisexual men
In addition to working to build on the successes in these
populations, it is also critical to accelerate progress in
combatting the current HIV crisis among gay and bisexual
men. Community and public health prevention
efforts led to dramatic success in this population in the
early years of the epidemic. After new HIV infections
among men who have sex with men (MSM) peaked in
the mid-1980s at more than 75,000 new infections a year,
the number of new infections plummeted to less than
18,000 per year by the early 1990s. Unfortunately, after
years of steady progress, new infections again began to
rise among MSM throughout the 1990s.7 While in recent
years, prevention efforts may have helped stabilize infections,
they are occurring at far too high a level (29,800 per
year.)8 Additionally, young MSM are the only risk group
in which new infections are increasing. This underscores
the need to sustain and re-invigorate prevention efforts
for gay and bisexual men of every race and to ensure that
each generation is effectively reached."

The epidemic was almost under control in 1990, but infection rates have been rising steadily up until the present time amongst MSM.

Young MSM are the ONLY demographic in which infection rates are rising

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 04:21 PM

"Musket and Troubadour, I think you are wrong to suggest that the situation 30 years ago has any influence on current infection rates."

The point of the historical effect is that it produced a proportionately larger pool of infection in the MSMs (in the West only) than in Heteros before the disease was diagnosed and could even start to be treated.

This means that sex (promiscuous or not) between male homosexuals carried, and still carries, a greater risk of infection than sex between heteros (in those areas where the index cases were predominantly MSM).

I don't know why you find that so difficult to understand, that one gay encounter might still carry ten or more times the risk of a similar single hetero event.

Which destroys the absurd notion that heteros are somehow remaining celibate or monogamous, while gay men are raving sex maniacs.

And BTW, in response to Goofy's later comment, it ill bhoves you to talk about other people not accepting facts, when you still claim homosexuality to be behavioural in nature.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 04:12 PM

THEY DON'T CARE!

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 04:10 PM

Troubadour, your shit gets more baffling with every post!

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 04:04 PM

Nah, dinosaurs never died out. It's just that we now call them birds. Ask my missus: when I walk into the garden every morning I always greet them "Mornin' dinosaurs!"

Careful Steve! You'll only confuse Pete.

Dinosaurs and birds are different species, and Pete knows that evolution cannot change one species into a completely different other.

For the rest of us, it is necessary to understand and always emphasise that birds ARE NOT dinosaurs, but simply descendants evolved FROM dinosaurs.

Lastly Ake is absolutely certainly NOT a bird!

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 03:42 PM

Dave the Gnome: ""...Well being as the supporters of homosexuality and/or other forms of promiscuity"
Me, just now. What the F...?""

What part of 'and/OR' don't you understand?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 02:50 PM

Ever feel like you have dropped through a hole into an alternate dimension?

From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 16 Mar 14 - 05:02 AM

... PHE do the calculation and publish their conclusion, that there is a real increase in infection as well as increased testing.

From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 12:25 PM

Increased testing very much helps the extra infected folk who get tested.
More testing would help more.
Enough testing would halt the epidemic, which is what we all want.

From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 05:32 AM

...Seeing as the uptake of testing and screening for the HIV virus is on the increase, why is the virus still spreading?

From: akenaton - PM
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 01:09 PM

Dave, I don't require to answer your question as to whether or not I am a "homophobe", as it has nothing to do with this thread.

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity - PM
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 12:32 PM


...Well being as the supporters of homosexuality and/or other forms of promiscuity

Me, just now. What the F...?

Does anyone on here actualy remember what has been said before?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 02:26 PM

Akenaton: "...education although helpful, has not worked well in the past, we also need a quick fix, as the MSM infection rate is rising so fast."

THEY DON'T CARE!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 01:09 PM

Dave, I don't require to answer your question as to whether or not I am a "homophobe", as it has nothing to do with this thread.
I could say I was the King of Scotland and you would be non the wiser.

However asking your views on HIV transmission rates is relevant to the thread, and education although helpful, has not worked well in the past, we also need a quick fix, as the MSM infection rate is rising so fast.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 12:42 PM

'Guest': "Many seem to post that homophobia plays no role I HIV transmission. Could there be a reason for such denial."

'Homophobia' as defined by who?
'Homophobia' as defined by those who would allow more people to be infected and/or die because of some preposterous, stupid political notion???? We, the living, have a right to want to have ANY preventable disease prevented, and not be called by some ridiculous name, overused and misapplied by some idiot faction of politics!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 12:32 PM

Dave the Gnome: "It isn't splitting hairs at all, GfS. It is an important distinction. Promiscuity does not spread the virus, as you stated. I have already agreed that promiscuity increases the spread but that is not what you said.
Fact: Promiscuous sex, of any group, spreads the HIV/AIDS virus.
Remember?"

Well being as the supporters of homosexuality and/or other forms of promiscuity seem to think that increased screening is an 'impolite imposition', and/or 'homophobic', it's a little hard to rely on the 'consideration' and 'good graces' of horny infected people who are also carriers of any number of STD's. So to be 'safe', let's just say promiscuity DOES spread the increased risk of being infected...but we don't want to 'split hairs', do we???

GfS

P.S. Better yet, being as you 'aren't splitting hairs', but like to argue, name ONE LASTING benefit to society of promiscuity.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 12:32 PM

Pink News.

""Professor Noel Gill, head of Public Health England's HIV and STI department, said: "In the UK, people who are unaware of their infection are likely to be those most at risk of transmitting HIV to others. We must increase the speed at which we're reducing the number of undiagnosed HIV infections by encouraging earlier and more frequent HIV testing, especially by those most at-risk. Earlier diagnosis will help reduce new HIV infections across the UK.

"Around half of men who have sex with men recently diagnosed with HIV received their diagnosis the first time they tested, which is a strong indication that many men who should be testing are not. National HIV Testing Week gives people a great opportunity to get tested."

National guidelines recommend that HIV testing should be offered routinely to everyone admitted to hospital and people registering with a GP surgery in areas of the country with HIV prevalence greater than 2 per 1000 people. Introducing additional ways to get tested, such as home-sampling services, is also encouraging more people to test."

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 12:31 PM

Pink News.

"In September, the deputy executive director of the United Nations' HIV/AIDS agency said the worldwide HIV epidemic could potentially be over by 2030 – but only if infection rates among most at risk populations, such as men who have sex with men (MSM), fall substantially.

Last week, film producer and director David Furnish said in the London Evening Standard that high rates of HIV among gay men living in London was not something that could be ignored.

He wrote: "At the end of this month it is National HIV Testing Week. We need a big national push to get ourselves and our friends tested —without stigma, without shame and without stalling." "

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 12:25 PM

Increased testing very much helps the extra infected folk who get tested.
More testing would help more.
Enough testing would halt the epidemic, which is what we all want.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Musket
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 11:37 AM

Since when was risk taking associated with gay sex? Or dangerous practice?or promiscuity?

They are associated with sex.

Not gay sex, but sex.

You filthy disgusting specimen. You should hang your head in shame and stop polluting this website with your hateful bile and criminal comments.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 11:25 AM

Many seem to post that homophobia plays no role I HIV transmission. Could there be a reason for such denial.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 05:32 AM

I have already said, ake, that until you answer my question I am not answering any more of yours. Seeing as the uptake of testing and screening for the HIV virus is on the increase, why is the virus still spreading? You reckon that the only way to curb it is increased testing but it has already been pointed out, by Keith, one of your only supporters, that increased testing is not working.

What I will say is that you have already provided the answer to your first question. You will never stop what you term promiscuity, in any demographic. You will never, as much as you would like to, ban 'dangerous sexual practices'. So the best option is to cut the risks. How are we going to achieve that?

(Hint: Look back at my posts to see what I recommend)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 05:21 AM

OK Dave if it's Not promiscuity transmitting HIV at such massive rates, what is it?

I have heard no other explanation than increased testing affecting the figures.......At these rates? That is idiocy, or worse.

My money would be on promiscuity, risk taking and dangerous sexual practices; all associated with male homosexuality.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 05:07 AM

It isn't splitting hairs at all, GfS. It is an important distinction. Promiscuity does not spread the virus, as you stated. I have already agreed that promiscuity increases the spread but that is not what you said.

Fact: Promiscuous sex, of any group, spreads the HIV/AIDS virus.

Remember?

I also quite agree that if two people stick to the same partners for life then they are not likely to get the HIV virus. But what sort of cloud cuckoo land do you live in if you think that is a viable proposition? Many people will try multiple partners no matter what you say. It is not promiscuous to do so. It is normal. They can do so quite safely as long as they practice safe sex. Which a lot are not doing. Which is why the education program needs to re-invent itself so more will take notice.

Seemples.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 23 Mar 14 - 04:20 AM

Keith.

A thirty odd year old problem has thirty odd year ago index source.

I am not a healthcare professional but colleagues who are in public health, speak of clusters that form from index and give HIV and gay men as a classic example. The ins and outs of why epidemic trajectories differ locally form the tapestry of public health surveillance and I fully accept the detail has many caveats.

I'm not asking you to believe anything. I don't give a rats arse what you believe any more than I would expect you to care for anything I say I believe.

I am merely stating how virus epidemiology supports such a conclusion. As "believed" by PHE and HPA before them. (And indeed prior to HPA.)

I'm glad to see that Akenhateon knows the mind of most women. If his view is borne of his parochial existence, I can add to it by stating the only girlfriend I had who wanted "it up her chuff" was from Scotland. But there again, one person's experience doesn't give conclusions to the many, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 10:29 PM

Correcto mundo.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,schlimmerkerl
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 10:01 PM

HIV is a blood-borne infection, and the virus is actually quite fragile. For heterosexuals, absent intravenous drug use, physically compromised sexual organs, or anal sex, the chances of being infected via oral or vaginal intercourse are small.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 09:55 PM

Steve Pshaw: "The last two posts are unbelievable."

Coming from you, I could believe that!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 09:52 PM

The last two posts are unbelievable. Perhaps our resident moderator of late will take a firm stand in condemning their stupidity. Or perhaps give me a bollocking for calling them stupid. Ah Jaysus. Let's say preferably neither, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 09:01 PM

Dave the Gnome: "Nononononononono to infinity and beyond. This is the point I am trying to make. It is sex that spreads the virus. Sex of any type that causes the bloodstream to become in contact with the carrier virus. It is not just promiscuous sex (whatever that may be) or gay sex or anal sex or hetero sex. It is sex. Got it? OK - I am more than happy to accept that unprotected sex is the main culprit and that promiscuity will cause the virus to spread faster but promiscuity is not the issue. It is lack of care."

Sex, in itself, does not spread the virus...though, it is THROUGH sex, that the virus is most commonly spread. Promiscuity, and having sex with multiple 'partners', increases one's risk of contracting the virus, being as you can't be sure about everyone else, that has had sex with your 'partner'. Having sex with ONE person only, certainly DECREASES the odds, assuming that person is a lifelong partner, as in a COMMITTED, and loving spouse. ('loving', because love doesn't insist in it's own way, without considering others). Unfortunately, sex has been demeaned, to only mean the physical act, rather than the emotional involvement that goes into play with it!
To split hairs over all this is pretty silly. The BEST, is one mate, for life, not just for curtailing the spread of the virus, but BEST for all concerned, emotionally, and for the stability of the family!!..because sex, is not just limited for one person, getting their jollies off, with no regard for anyone else but them self....either hetero or homo.....
Instead of making allowances for the excuses for deviant behavior, either hetero or homo, why not promote that which is BEST, all the way around?? Why not promote a better reality to those who need needles to escape from the turmoil and conflicts they are already facing??...and would share a needle, after being assured that 'this one is clean'??
See why believing everything you HEAR might not be the best idea, just because it approves of the actions that puts one at risk??
...but then, if you avoided using shared needles, and the types of people that use them, some knucklehead will accuse you of being a 'needle-phobe', and try to form a CONSENSUS that because you have been accused of being a 'needle-phobe', you must belong to a group of 'needle-phobes', call you a 'bigot', and 'needle-phobia' is the reason, that needle sharers, are getting infected with 'the virus'......

Makes sense to you, I suppose....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 08:56 PM

Don't think Keith needs to retract anything Steve, he was simply clarifying his message, for the children.

Most of us knew perfectly well what his meaning was.

On the subject of anal sex, I think it is disgusting no matter who does it.
I am sure few women get any pleasure from the experience, and in most cases it is simply male domination, either in heterosexual sex or by the proxy male in the homosexual world.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 05:58 PM

Oh dear. Missed that retraction. Took Dave to draw it, of course (what price reviewing own posts...), but let's give Keith the benefit.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 05:56 PM

Keith: "Everyone has sex, including anal."

Wow, this bloke must be all-knowing and all-seeing! Keith must be God! No wonder he hates us, fellow Messiah!

... pro homosexual liberal people

Hi! Meet Steve, liberally pro-homosexual since 1951! 37 years happily wed, two kids!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 03:29 PM

Sorry Dave.
Delete "everyone."
Insert "all demographics."

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 03:25 PM

GfS Fact: Promiscuous sex, of any group, spreads the HIV/AIDS virus.

Nononononononono to infinity and beyond. This is the point I am trying to make. It is sex that spreads the virus. Sex of any type that causes the bloodstream to become in contact with the carrier virus. It is not just promiscuous sex (whatever that may be) or gay sex or anal sex or hetero sex. It is sex. Got it? OK - I am more than happy to accept that unprotected sex is the main culprit and that promiscuity will cause the virus to spread faster but promiscuity is not the issue. It is lack of care.

ake Ok Dave, just for the sake of this discussion, let's say that promiscuity rates among homos, are no higher than those among heteros.

Could you please explain the huge difference in new infection rates for all STD's

Why should I? I have asked you umpteen times how you would explain the fact that the infection rates have increased although testing and screening of gay males has also increased. You have not yet answered.

Keith. Everyone has sex, including anal.

I haven't. I have had 5 children so I will let you figure out which bit I have not done.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 03:00 PM

Keith of Hertford: "Musket and Troubadour, I think you are wrong to suggest that the situation 30 years ago has any influence on current infection rates."

Musket and 'Troubadour'(?), have a problem in using FACTS to base their OPINIONS on....they'd rather custom tailor reality to fit their 'political reality', rather than use FACTS, to correct their political trendiness!!
If you scroll back, and take a look, they employ outright lying and misquoting to try to further their arguments. They don't give a rat's ass about the truth...just their agenda, which is NOT founded or rooted in TRUTH. (Probably tactics learned from Professor Bullshitter!)

Fact: Promiscuous sex, of any group, spreads the HIV/AIDS virus.
Fact: Sharing dirty needles spreads the HIV/AIDS virus.
Fact: Proportionately, Homosexual promiscuous sex spreads the HIV/AIDS virus quicker than any spread in Traditional Nuclear Families.
FACT: To recognize the above FACTS qualifies one to be labeled a
'homophobic bigot', by pro homosexual liberal people.
FACT: Living a lie is NOT in the best interest of bettering society,
or finding a solution!
FACT: To promote lying, for the sake of a political agenda, or
agendas, is only temporal, and whatever 'usefulness' of lying, to advance that political agenda, will roll away on the 'wheels
of tomorrow'!
FACT: Denying that there IS a problem, and where it is, only will cost MORE lives to be lost, and you can lay THAT at the feet of the liars!
FACT: The more idiots support agendas, built on false premises, the more moronic they are!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 02:50 PM

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity - PM
Date: 21 Mar 14 - 06:31 PM

...people should be warned about dirty needle sharing, and promiscuous sex...THAT'S HOW HIV/AIDS, get transmitted.

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity - PM
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 11:07 AM

Dave the Gnome: "So, GfS, I am not arguing for arguments sake. My point seems to have sunk in so it worked. Within 24 hours you have gone from saying promiscuity is a major factor to stating, quite correctly, that sex is a major factor. You DO understand the difference between sex and promiscuity don't you?"

HIV/AIDS is considered a STD...as in SEXUALLY Transmitted Disease. Do you understand the difference between SEX and letter writing?????????


GfS, meet spade and hole. Then stop digging.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 01:51 PM

Neither of us is wrong.
Ake's 70-75% refers to the proportion of new male diagnoses only, a statistic I have never posted.

Musket and Troubadour, I think you are wrong to suggest that the situation 30 years ago has any influence on current infection rates.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Musket
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 01:27 PM

Added to which, I don't recognise the claims Akenhateon has made concerning gay prevalence.

I have posted the latest figures we have for The UK, and Keith has too.

Who is lying, Akenhateon or Keith?

Interesting...

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 12:55 PM

What a nasty, small minded, ignorant person you are Ake.

What do you not understand about the historical facts, which have repeatedly been pointed out to you.

1. In a number of areas in the Western hemisphere, HIV index cases happened to be homosexual males, which is not the case in most of the third world.

2. As should be obvious to the meanest intellect, transmission was almost solely to other homosexual males.

3. The medical profession, understandably, took some time to diagnose this new infection, which is asymptomatic for between three and ten years before developing into full blown AIDS.

4. In fact, the medical profession had to recognise AIDS as the cause of deaths by pneumonia and other diseases, exacerbated by loss of immune function. From this they then had to work backward to identify HIV as the precursor. Following that, awareness of the disease and initial treatments began to reduce the new infection rate.

5. By that time, although hetero male and female cases were presenting, large numbers of gay men were already infected.

It's a question of what you want the statistics to prove, but the number of gay males who were already infected before anybody knew what was wrong, is the explanation for the mistaken belief that it was a homosexual disease, which belief has, apparently, not changed for some people, even given the figures for Africa where the whole thing started.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 11:48 AM

Ok Dave, just for the sake of this discussion, let's say that promiscuity rates among homos, are no higher than those among heteros.

Could you please explain the huge difference in new infection rates for all STD's

Is there some other answer? Something intrinsic to male to male sex perhaps?
The latest figures say 70/78% of all new infections amongst men, are from the MSM demographic, which comprises only 0.75% of the adult population; if we are serious about stopping the sexual health epidemic amongst MSM, it is imperative that we determine the cause of the massive over representation.

To say that such a massive difference can be put down to increased
testing in that demographic is obvious nonsense, so what's you take on it?

By the way, I don't include YOU in the "gang of three", I don't think you are in their grade, your head being in the normal position(not up your arse) :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 11:07 AM

Dave the Gnome: "So, GfS, I am not arguing for arguments sake. My point seems to have sunk in so it worked. Within 24 hours you have gone from saying promiscuity is a major factor to stating, quite correctly, that sex is a major factor. You DO understand the difference between sex and promiscuity don't you?"

HIV/AIDS is considered a STD...as in SEXUALLY Transmitted Disease. Do you understand the difference between SEX and letter writing?????????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 10:52 AM

Musket: "What I find fascinating is the assumption, both by Goofus and his mate, that promiscuity is somehow linked to being gay."

You have made a silly ASS-umption, once again....scroll back and COUNT how many times I said, 'promiscuous sex' and either 'either sex' or hetero or homo'??
You are just hell bent on TRYING to create a twisted bias, to suit your position that I have been talking solely about homosexuals being the ONLY source of transmission....get serious!
What you WILL find, is me posting REPEATEDLY, is that a 'loving traditional nuclear family' has the least amount of transmission...which is true. Your insistence that I am referring to ONLY homosexuals is just another stupid attempt to steer the conversation away from the fact that irresponsible sex between homosexuals ARE a major contributor, along with needle sharing to the transmission....that is not saying hetero transmission isn't a cause.
Stop making shit up and Get a life!

GfS

P.S. Just in case you're too lazy to scroll back.....

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Mar 14 - 04:15 AM

"Well, at least all the links that 'Guest' posted admit that homosexuals are a growing, or more prone to contract it.....problem is, 'Guest's' posts seem to convey that the BIGGEST reason for the transmission of HIV/AIDS is from a re-definition of 'homophobia'....WHEW!!, What a relief!..I was still thinking it was from promiscuous sex and people sharing dirty needles to get high....I guess we can now live as recklessly as possible, pickin' up chicks in bars, pubs and coffee houses, and get off in the head(restroom), and I'll never contract a thing and.....it was all a damn plot of those homophobia-maniacs!... THEY'RE the ones making people sick!!.."

How did you arrive at your asinine 'conclusion' after reading that?????

Here's another....

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Mar 14 - 06:31 PM

"Who's 'back-peddling' now???

Nonetheless, people should be warned about dirty needle sharing, and promiscuous sex...THAT'S HOW HIV/AIDS, and other STD's get transmitted."

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 10:21 AM

Do we start a thread regarding birds indigenous to Scotland?

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 10:18 AM

The one unique example of a dinosaur living alongside of mankind.

Nah, dinosaurs never died out. It's just that we now call them birds. Ask my missus: when I walk into the garden every morning I always greet them "Mornin' dinosaurs!"

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 08:43 AM

Hang on, just putting the bunting up.

No irony, no sarcasm, no punch line coming up.

I 100% endorse what Keith just said.

Going further, gay men who practice safe sex are not necessarily in a risk group. The gay risk group is those who don't give a thought to safety, either all the time, which is irresponsible or very occasionally which is unlucky.

I used the word "necessarily" for a reason. One thing that has to be factored into any debate is that MSM did historically give us many index clusters. Ignorance of HIV before we started to tackle it affected that group more than heterosexual people as anal is a far more effective source of viriaemia than vaginal.

Hence the historical figures. Hence the worrying complacency in young women. Hence the need to ensure hate doesn't get away without scrutiny and dismissal.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 05:19 AM

Everyone has sex, including anal.
Not everyone is in a high risk group.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Musket
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 04:45 AM

Two's company, three's fun.

What I find fascinating is the assumption, both by Goofus and his mate, that promiscuity is somehow linked to being gay. Further, that sex is a factor in gay life but somehow optional in heterosexual lifestyle.

What is the point of debating this further unless they either notice a barbecued donkey on the road to Damascus or accept their bigotry has no place in a discussion such as this?

That said, Goofus does occasionally make sense, whether I agree or not, in the middle of his sentences, but then spoils them with absurd conclusions and his rather odd attacks on people. You can't spot the issues but then miss the point entirely. Or you can. You can be Goofus.

His mate however seems in my opinion to be beyond redemption. His awful post a few up is so outrageous as to be satire. Sadly, I think it is genuine....

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 04:21 AM

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity - PM
Date: 21 Mar 14 - 06:31 PM

...people should be warned about dirty needle sharing, and promiscuous sex...THAT'S HOW HIV/AIDS, get transmitted.

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity - PM
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 01:07 AM

...sex and needle sharing is by far the most prolific

So, GfS, I am not arguing for arguments sake. My point seems to have sunk in so it worked. Within 24 hours you have gone from saying promiscuity is a major factor to stating, quite correctly, that sex is a major factor. You DO understand the difference between sex and promiscuity don't you?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 03:47 AM

I take it you take matters into your own hand every time you post Goofus.

I have to say, wanker is rather appropriate as a term to describe your diatribe.

What's that boy? Woof! Yes, I agree. My fault for letting you play with him. I thought he was harmless but seems I could be wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 01:13 AM

Dave the Gnome: ""No it isn't. It is transmitted through, amongst other things, the exchange of blood and other bodily fluids."

Well it's good thing that no bodily fluids get exchanged during sex!!..or needle sharing!

But then, maybe not...some people take 'matters into their own hands'!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 01:07 AM

DtG: "No it isn't. It is transmitted through, amongst other things, the exchange of blood and other bodily fluids. Sex is one way. The only thing promiscuity has to do with it is that it could spread it further. Get your facts right before you start to post with the caps lock on."

Well, they've done A LOT to clean up blood transfusions, if that's what you're talking about....I think the numbers speak for themselves..sex and needle sharing is by far the most prolific.....You're just arguing for the sake of arguing...UNLESS, you would be referring to the homosexuals and black Africans that were TARGETED, after the HIV virus was DEVELOPED!
...but you're not into that....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 21 Mar 14 - 06:58 PM

"Wonder why, is there a difference in how me and women view sex, do you think?"

Ake, you are the only genuine example of Starry Pete getting anything right.

The one unique example of a dinosaur living alongside of mankind.

The true exception which proves the rule.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 21 Mar 14 - 06:51 PM

"Eliza, the "night life" I mentioned consists of multiple same sex partners at a number of well known inner city venues, exactly what CDC are warning against in their fact sheet regarding "open" relationships."

Oh yeah! Now I know what he's talking about.

Gay DISCOS! All those different dance partners, must be bloody dangerous.

As for his not knowing of any heteros who act the same way, well.......Blind or stupid?

Don't they have TV in Scotland?

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Mar 14 - 06:44 PM

...promiscuous sex...THAT'S HOW HIV/AIDS, and other STD's get transmitted.

No it isn't. It is transmitted through, amongst other things, the exchange of blood and other bodily fluids. Sex is one way. The only thing promiscuity has to do with it is that it could spread it further. Get your facts right before you start to post with the caps lock on.

DtG