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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: Alice Date: 20 Jul 08 - 11:53 PM The term "politically correct" has been used in so many different ways in different countries, time periods, contexts, that you really should define your terms more to discuss it. Are you talking about politically correct as used by the American Left in the 70's and 80's, or by American Right in the 1990's, or by cognitive psychologists studying how language shapes behavior, or by.... well, see Wikipedia's description of how "political correctness" has been used by many different groups of people with different definitions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: Ebbie Date: 20 Jul 08 - 11:45 PM "In fact, almost every identifiable group suffers from the curse of unthinking and inappropriate political correctness. "So, why don't we just call it by its real name? "Hypocrisy." Little Hawk Little Hawk, I hadn't read your latest post when I posted my last one but I stand by it. It seems to me that some people are deliberately obtuse when they come to this subject. It seems an easy call to me. Political correctness is being a human being who is caring enough to be sensitive to others. The day is way past when people, either sex, should be able to feel comfortable using words, phrases and metaphors that are either designed to hurt someone or to "keep someone in his place". Using those words, phrases or metaphors because it's "just a habit I can't break" or "S/he knows I was just kidding" or "It's true, you know" are all justifications I have heard. It is not acceptable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: Ebbie Date: 20 Jul 08 - 11:28 PM In my oh-so-humble opinion. Come on, guys. It is not hypocrisy to be aware of the power of words. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Jul 08 - 11:27 PM Baloney? Bad for your heart if you eat too much of it! But why are you saying "baloney", Ebbie? I don't follow that reaction at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: Ebbie Date: 20 Jul 08 - 11:24 PM Baloney. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: Riginslinger Date: 20 Jul 08 - 10:31 PM Yes, LH, I think you nailed it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Jul 08 - 10:10 PM It reaches to the heart of both the liberal and the conservative mental disorder. ;-) They're both politically correct in their own fashion. And then there are the Muslims and Jews...both politically correct...in their own fashion. In fact, almost every identifiable group suffers from the curse of unthinking and inappropriate political correctness. So, why don't we just call it by its real name? Hypocrisy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: GUEST,Harmony Sovereign Date: 20 Jul 08 - 09:56 PM Guest, Al did a cut and paste. So what? It's the truth either way. I commend Guest Al for his post. It reaches to the very heart of the liberal mental disorder. Please be tolerant of my opinion.
-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: GUEST,lox Date: 20 Jul 08 - 04:24 PM Prescribed "Political Correctness" is an untenable idea. A system of rules governing what words are acceptable in society is completely inappropriate and unworkable as the parameters vary enormously depending on context. ___________ The greatest thing about a lot of british humour is its subtlety. Social and political satire and intelligent humanistic observation are the cornerstone of British humour. What matters is the motivation behind a comment. One person might say "I respect foreigners" and yet it is obvious that they are a total bigot. Another might make a racist joke ... but parody it ... and in the process undo some of the tension that racism causes. It isn't the words, it's the motivation and the intent. _________ Scapegoating and blaming groups of individuals for ones difficulties in life on the basis of their race, religion, sexuality or whatever is completely unacceptable. If someone deliberately goes out of their way to encourage others to resent minorities, they are breaking British law and if they do it in my company I will make a donkey out of them. _________ The motivation behind this thread is to try to associate abhorrance for racism with a catwalk campaign for politically correct language. The two have nothing to do with each other. I associate the term "politically correct" with models who use their fingers to denote the quotation marks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: Stringsinger Date: 20 Jul 08 - 01:12 PM The idea of "political correctness" is a knee-jerk response without investigating the motive or meaning of an issue. PC is both liberal and conservative. "Free Market Solutions" is an example of PC. "Support Our Troops" is another. "Flag pin lapels". "Fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here". "Mental Recession" (Phil Gramm). These are all PC reactions. I think that if a person really thinks through an issue or proposition then PC can be avoided successfully. It has been associated with just liberal thinking but this is not true. PC is reactionary thinking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Jul 08 - 01:00 PM Labelling courtesy towards others as "political correctness" is a way of helping people to feel better about carrying on with such discourtesy. It's a term better avoided, and it is mostly used in my experience by such people for that very reason. Here is the first verse of a song I wrote about this a few years ago, and posted later in a similar thread here, "Descriptive terms, appropriate or not?": Poison in Jest Now there's a funny way of talking called "Politically Correct" - Silly fools who think that words have some kind of effect. Now that's surely not a notion that's entitled to respect - So I'd like to poke a little fun at this strange dialect. For when I meet some oddity I like to speak direct. No, I never mess around with being "Politically Correct". So I speak to them direct, that's what they must expect - No I never mess around with being "Politically Correct." If you'd like to see the rest of the song, it's in this thread at 07 May 00 - 01:34 PM. (And looking at it I was pleased to see the response Rick Fielding made to it in the next post - which I wish I could live up to.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: Acorn4 Date: 20 Jul 08 - 04:32 AM Political correctness actually goes against the grain in Britain due to the establiahed national tradition of taking the p*** out of anything and everything. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: GUEST,twonk Date: 20 Jul 08 - 12:26 AM political incorrectness is a 2 edged sword |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: Riginslinger Date: 19 Jul 08 - 11:33 PM I think it depends of whether you're the victim or the assailant. If you're Jesse Jackson and you're going after a school board for trying to bring real education into the public classroom, you're the assailant. If you're a white contractor and you don't have anything to bid on because all of the projects in your area are set aside for minority contractors, you're the victim. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: GUEST,twonk Date: 19 Jul 08 - 11:17 PM "PC" only exists in the fetid bitter imagination of those who deny they hide so much to feel so guilty about |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: Lox Date: 19 Jul 08 - 09:26 PM In a previous thread (concerning British Criminality) I deduced the following: "You are not therefore discussing the report. You are using it as an excuse to push your agenda." two points ... 1. You really are full of tension aren't you, and 2. Gotcha :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 19 Jul 08 - 02:22 PM Skivee--those Jews are trouble makers. ;) One day early in the days of WWII a Nazi soldier stop an old Jew on the street. "Old man," he demanded, "who caused the war?" The old man answered, "The Jews...and the bicycle riders." "Why the bicycle riders?" asked the soldier. The Jew, in typical Jewish fashion, replied, "Why the Jews?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: Skivee Date: 19 Jul 08 - 01:39 PM I've always thought that free speech was unhealthy. Now I find out it's dangerous, too???!!!??? Damn, now I shall have to examine the trembling underpinnings of my inadequate world view. There, now. I currently believe that political correctness is the fault of those Liberals at Fox News...oh, and the Jews, of course. Thanks for the thought provoking post, Al. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: Riginslinger Date: 19 Jul 08 - 09:21 AM "Political correctness here limits free speech which is unhealthy and very dangerous. Hear that Lox !" But that's an interesting comment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: Bobert Date: 19 Jul 08 - 09:05 AM The reality is that, yes, political correctness does create some tension... How could it not... I mean, most of us here ahve a few years on yus and were brought up in a different time when the "isms" were part of our culture and change is difficult, especially for those who have to make it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: Anne Lister Date: 19 Jul 08 - 08:56 AM "Arsehole" may not be politically incorrect, but it's hardly a polite or even reasonable response, is it? You mention a website, Al, without saying which website. A lot of what you've written has no reference points or relevance to discussions on this forum. What, on Mudcat, has prompted you to start this thread? And why so aggressive? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: GUEST,Al Date: 19 Jul 08 - 08:00 AM
Offensive Post Removed:
A REPEAT OF WHAT JOE SAID:
Oh, and since you are a guest, you are expected to be on your best behavior. Calling people "arsehole" is not acceptable.
el joe clone |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: artbrooks Date: 19 Jul 08 - 07:51 AM Good cut'n'paste job there. Al. Do you have an opinion of your own, then? |
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Subject: BS: Political Correctness creates tension From: GUEST,Al Date: 19 Jul 08 - 06:45 AM Political correctness seems to be a bone of contention on this site. In reality PC tries to make up for past perceived inequalities by replacing meritocracy and equality of opportunity with equality of outcome through discrimination against people with the same physical qualities as those perceived to have been beneficiaries of other systems in the past ! Political correctness encourages offence to be taken where none is intended, encourages the re-writing and re-thinking of history along with the abandonment of pride in country, is a serious threat to free speech and, despite being portrayed to be in the name of tolerance, is completely intolerant of anyone who does not act in a politically correct fashion. There are those here who want to use it as a form of censorship and tries to bully other members into conforming with a certain point of view which usually defies common sense. Those spouting political correctness assume that they have the right to give opinions for people they perceive to be from "minorities" without usually first consulting the people they purport to speak for. e.g. people say that you should not use the term "Brainstorming" as it could be offensive to people with epilepsy. Epilepsy Action, however, say, "We are often asked about the word 'brainstorming' and whether its use is acceptable. If the word is being used to describe a meeting where participants are suggesting ideas, then its use is not offensive to people with epilepsy." See also the stories and views people have sent us and the Not In My Name Campaign on this website for further examples of people using political correctness where it was not asked for, not needed and certainly not wanted. Political Correctness hasn't helped this country to change into a more tolerant place, it created barriers. Those wirelessing on here sprouting political correctness on every thread are intolerant of any view which is not in line with theirs and yelp for every thread to be closed if it mentioned a religion or group. Political correctness creates divisions where there should not be any and divides people up into stereotypical boxes all the time so it has actually made us more race conscious and more sex conscious. Children, who do not naturally see colour as being an issue, are being taught from a very young age that it is an issue - this can hardly be described as progress. Countries and attitudes evolve through experiences and education and we do not believe that the British are an intolerant nasty bunch of people who have been saved by political correctness. In fact the reality is quite the opposite. A normally tolerant and kind nation is being pushed in the opposite direction by the political correctness that has infected our public services, our institutions and our way of life. Political correctness here limits free speech which is unhealthy and very dangerous. Hear that Lox !
Oh, and since you are a guest, you are expected to be on your best behavior. Calling people "arsehole" is not acceptable. -Joe Offer, Forum Moderator- |
