Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Jeri Date: 13 Dec 09 - 08:20 PM Anybody find anything on retinal artery inclusion that describes the only symptom as transient 'annoying' blurred vision? If Dr Z's office knows somebody, I'd be inclined to see that doctor. |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Dec 09 - 08:07 PM I went to the database at work. These are 2 abstracts from articles in the university library medical database. I'm sending these along because they may give you some useful keywords for a further search. The second one may be more useful. Let me know if you want me to look further or send more information. I am using a newer email since what I may have sent you before, but if you're signed in to the Google group thing, you should be able to track me down. Or send a PM. Title: Photopic negative response reflects severity of ocular circulatory damage after central retinal artery occlusion. Source: Ophthalmologica. Journal international d'ophtalmologie. International journal of ophthalmology. Zeitschrift für Augenheilkunde (Ophthalmologica) 2009; 223(6): 362-9 Additional Info: Switzerland Standard No: ISSN: 0030-3755 (Print); 1423-0267 (Electronic); NLM Unique Journal Identifier: 0054655 Language: English Abstract: PURPOSE: To determine the relationship of the photopic negative response (PhNR) of the photopic electroretinogram (ERG) with the degree of circulatory disturbances in eyes following central retinal artery occlusion (CRAO). METHODS: The circulatory disturbance was graded as mild (group 1) when the arm-to-retina transmission time was <30 s, moderate (group 2) when the time was >30 s and severe (group 3) when concurrent choroidal circulatory damage was found. For statistical analysis, groups 1, 2 and 3 were scored as 1, 2 and 3, respectively. Photopic ERGs were elicited by either short-flash (SF) or long-flash (LF) stimuli. RESULTS: Both the SF and LF PhNR were significantly reduced in groups 2 and 3. The PhNR amplitude was negatively correlated with the severity of the ocular circulatory disturbances (p = 0.0498, rho = -0.507 for SF PhNR; p = 0.0050, rho = -0.750 for LF PhNR). CONCLUSION: The amplitude of the PhNR became more reduced as the severity of the circulatory disturbances increased in eyes with CRAO. Copyright 2009 S. Karger AG, Basel. Title: Retinal artery occlusion: associated systemic and ophthalmic abnormalities. Source: Ophthalmology (Ophthalmology) 2009 Oct; 116(10): 1928-36 Additional Info: United States Standard No: ISSN: 0161-6420 (Print); 1549-4713 (Electronic); NLM Unique Journal Identifier: 7802443 Language: English Abstract: OBJECTIVE: To investigate systematically the various associated systemic and ophthalmic abnormalities in different types of retinal artery occlusion (RAO). DESIGN: Cohort study. PARTICIPANTS: We included 439 consecutive untreated patients (499 eyes) with RAO first seen in our clinic from 1973 to 2000. METHODS: At first visit, all patients underwent detailed ophthalmic and medical history, and comprehensive ophthalmic evaluation. Visual evaluation was done by recording visual acuity, using the Snellen visual acuity chart, and visual fields with a Goldmann perimeter. Initially they also had carotid Doppler/angiography and echocardiography. The same ophthalmic evaluation was performed at each follow-up visit. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Demographic features, associated systemic and ophthalmic abnormalities, and sources of emboli in various types of RAO. RESULTS: We classified RAO into central (CRAO) and branch (BRAO) artery occlusion. In both nonarteritic (NA) CRAO and BRAO, the prevalence of diabetes mellitus, arterial hypertension, ischemic heart disease, and cerebrovascular accidents were significantly higher compared with the prevalence of these conditions in the matched US population (all P<0.0001). Smoking prevalence, compared with the US population, was significantly higher for males (P = 0.001) with NA-CRAO and for women with BRAO (P = 0.02). Ipsilateral internal carotid artery had > or =50% stenosis in 31% of NA-CRAO patients and 30% of BRAO, and plaques in 71% of NA-CRAO and 66% of BRAO. An abnormal echocardiogram with an embolic source was seen in 52% of NA-CRAO and 42% of BRAO. Neovascular glaucoma developed in only 2.5% of NA-CRAO eyes. CONCLUSIONS: This study showed that, in CRAO as well as BRAO, the prevalence of various cardiovascular diseases and smoking was significantly higher compared with the prevalence of these conditions in the matched US population. Embolism is the most common cause of CRAO and BRAO; plaque in the carotid artery is usually the source of embolism and less commonly the aortic and/or mitral valve. The presence of plaques in the carotid artery is generally of much greater importance than the degree of stenosis in the artery. Contrary to the prevalent misconception, we found no cause-and-effect relationship between CRAO and neovascular glaucoma. MESH Subject(s) below: Descriptor: (Major): Diabetes Complications Smoking (Minor): Aged Cohort Studies Coronary Angiography Echocardiography, Doppler Female Follow-Up Studies Glaucoma, Neovascular -- complications Humans Hypertension -- complications Male Middle Aged Myocardial Ischemia -- complications Prospective Studies Retinal Artery Occlusion -- complications Visual Acuity Visual Fields |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: gnu Date: 13 Dec 09 - 07:42 PM The floaters are really not such a big deal for most as we age. A sign of the future for most? Now, that business of the couch disappearing on my left while the coffee table on my right it still in full view as I make my way out of the living room after I have turned off the TV, well... gee? That don't float so well with me. Minds me of an elderly aunt who used to say, at about 80, she could still pick fly shit offa pepper and hear a flea fart. Aunt Annabell was a gem. |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Bat Goddess Date: 13 Dec 09 - 05:56 PM I've got a coupla floaters, too. The only one that's annoying is the one that looks just like the almost invisible markings in progressive lenses that I sometimes have to find and dot to match up to the fitting cross. That's really annoying. Linn |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 13 Dec 09 - 05:22 PM floaters are great fun - they just drift across my eyeballs, minding their own business, sometimes I hardly notice them. sandra |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: jacqui.c Date: 13 Dec 09 - 11:27 AM I saw the optician over here yesterday for my free eye test under the NHS. I have been having a bit of occasional blurring in my left eye for a while - checked it out with him and he thinks that it may just be a 'floater' that goes across the eye sometimes. Anyway, he checked my eyes properly and said they are healthy. Here's hoping that is all that Tom has. |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: maeve Date: 13 Dec 09 - 10:34 AM Thanks, Linn. It's ok that you can't post great gobs of new information. We are interested, and we are here. Please give each other a hug for me. maeve |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: gnu Date: 13 Dec 09 - 10:33 AM Hope it stays that way. Tough luck about the doc. |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Bat Goddess Date: 13 Dec 09 - 10:25 AM Well, you all know as much as we do. So everything is more or less up in the air. Depends on what the anesthesiologist thinks as far as the procedure on Thursday. Dr. Z's office offered to find him an ophthalmologist he can trust. I also got referrals to another local ophthalmologist from several reliable sources. Tom doesn't like the guy he saw last week. He wouldn't listen to what Tom told him were the symptoms. He intends to see someone else, but we need to know results from Thursday's tests. Ach! Probably won't find out anything about anything until Monday. Meanwhile, except for an occasional momentary blur, his sight has been fine. Linn |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Tinker Date: 12 Dec 09 - 02:34 PM Still keeping you in my prayers |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: maeve Date: 12 Dec 09 - 11:58 AM Tom and Linn- Checking in. maeve |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: VirginiaTam Date: 11 Dec 09 - 02:28 PM Yeah... me too. What's the haps? |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: gnu Date: 11 Dec 09 - 10:02 AM Ditto. |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: maeve Date: 11 Dec 09 - 09:51 AM I'm here, too. maeve |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: SINSULL Date: 11 Dec 09 - 09:19 AM Sister Blister reporting for duty. Any news, Linn? |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: olddude Date: 11 Dec 09 - 08:57 AM Mary all this holiday eating has caused my butt to get bigger, so that is a lot of praying ... for sure LOL. Time for you to put on your nun outfit. Dan |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Charley Noble Date: 11 Dec 09 - 08:50 AM Sinsull- It's difficult to suppress the image of you and your horde of tiny nuns chanting prayers together. How could any God with a sense of "humors" resist such an appeal? Charley Noble |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Naemanson Date: 11 Dec 09 - 06:54 AM I'm sorry to hear about this too. Hang in there guys. I'm happy to know the Republicans think there is nothing wrong with the health care system. But then, they probably don't know about wonderful people like Tom and Linn and the problems they are having. |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: bbc Date: 11 Dec 09 - 06:30 AM You two are having to deal with an awful lot of stuff; so sorry for that! Hope you get this figured out & it's treatable. love, Barbara |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: jacqui.c Date: 10 Dec 09 - 01:23 PM Good thoughts from the UK Tom - I hope that things go well for you. I'm also keeping an eye on this thread, daily. |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: gnu Date: 10 Dec 09 - 12:01 PM Mary... go him one better and take your rosary to Tom. |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: SINSULL Date: 10 Dec 09 - 11:52 AM old dude, The image of you praying your butt off with a rosary borders on kinky. Thanks! I needed that. SINS |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: wysiwyg Date: 10 Dec 09 - 11:41 AM Linn, Internet access has been dodgy, but I've been watching this, prayerfully. ~S~ |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: olddude Date: 10 Dec 09 - 10:32 AM I always always get into trouble for saying this. But both of you guys I am gettin me rosary out and praying my butt off ... so yell at me if you like but I do it cause I love ya Get better Dan |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: SINSULL Date: 10 Dec 09 - 09:35 AM Tom, Get better. Do not make me come down there and smack you! Love, Mary |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Bryn Pugh Date: 10 Dec 09 - 08:28 AM Thinking of you both and holding you in the Light. Erica and Bryn |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: SINSULL Date: 10 Dec 09 - 08:08 AM Kendall, Unfortunately, many patients simply do not show up. That is why doctors tightly schedula appointments. A co-worker recently askedme about a local dentist. Seems her dentist refused to schedule appointments for her and her children after she missed five in a row without calling. I schedule mine for first thing in the AM and arrive early. Makes life so much easier. SINS |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Janie Date: 09 Dec 09 - 06:10 PM To quote my Mom, "Growing older is not for sissies." Not posting because I don't really have anything to add to what others say better than me, but know that I check in to these threads daily and continue to think of you with care and concern for your well-being. |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: gnu Date: 09 Dec 09 - 05:09 PM Kendall... I had one for today for Mum at 8:30. First one of the day, but it got changed to near noon on Monday... another long wait... sigh. Charley... indeed not! Like the old German adage, "We get too soon old and too late smart." |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Charley Noble Date: 09 Dec 09 - 04:43 PM Remember back when we thought we were invulnerable, and sang all those morbid songs to a round of general laughter? It's somehow not as funny anymore. Happy to hear that Tom is seeing thinks clearer this afternoon. Charley Noble |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: kendall Date: 09 Dec 09 - 04:27 PM They simply schedule too many patients in any given day. So, if an emergency comes up, it's a train wreck.They leave no margin for error. I wouldn't have minded so much but this happens often in his practice. When I complained this time he suggested I schedule my appointment first thing in the morning from now on. |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: gnu Date: 09 Dec 09 - 03:32 PM Great news about the eye! Kendall... "I was kept waiting in his waiting room well past my appointment time and when I complained to the nurse he got wind of it and called me at home to apologize." A few hours wait after an appointed time for Moncton's laser and advanced research eye doc here is not uncommon. She serves ALL of Maritime Canada in her specialized field.... that is NB, NS and PEI. BUT... is that a demand problem or a scheduling problem? I am not privy to the info required to make that call. |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Mrrzy Date: 09 Dec 09 - 03:22 PM Aw, man, this sucks. I will be thinking of you both, and thinking something a lot worse towards that so-called doctor. |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Hollowfox Date: 09 Dec 09 - 02:55 PM Hugs, juju, and a continuation of the $#@!-reduction candle series for you both. |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: SussexCarole Date: 09 Dec 09 - 02:42 PM wow - this is just one thing after another for you both! So sorry all this crap is coming your way. Carole & Andrew |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Morticia Date: 09 Dec 09 - 02:32 PM oh man this is the outside of enough now, my love to you both |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Tinker Date: 09 Dec 09 - 02:00 PM Just hugs..... |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Jeri Date: 09 Dec 09 - 01:39 PM Sounds more like an ocular migraine, but could be meds or other things. I talked to Tom about this, but since last summer, I get a blur in my right eye, especially when I'm hot. I had a thorough exam with dilation and the works, and they couldn't find anything wrong other than signs of an allergy in my eye. They recommended over the counter eye drops and I got some Zyrtec which helps somewhat. Keep one thing in mind: the ophthalmologist he saw referred him to another guy because he didn't know what it was. |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Bat Goddess Date: 09 Dec 09 - 01:36 PM It's been a sporadic thing from the get go -- Tom said it sort of showed up again yesterday just as he got to the appointment thanks to a reflection or something in the parking lot -- then the doctor dilated him so he had more problems seeing. Each time the blur has shown up, it's gone away after a little while. This is just something recent -- the past 2 weeks. Linn |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: catspaw49 Date: 09 Dec 09 - 12:59 PM That sounds better Linn......THe carotid echo is a "pain in the neck" literally.....LOL...no big deal and its short, but they shove that thing (ultra sound basically) up and down your neck and even the 5 or so minutes per side seems too damn long. If he has vision back then you're probably right and the Quack is wrong and there are lots of other things like you said. Hope you get some answers soon! Spaw |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: SINSULL Date: 09 Dec 09 - 12:48 PM Sounds more like a cataract than anything else. Obviously, DON'T IGNORE IT. Mother Mary |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Bat Goddess Date: 09 Dec 09 - 12:18 PM The more I think about this (and the more I find out) no way can it actually BE "central retinal artery occlusion left eye". Today he see just fine. This is an occasional blur usually occasioned by a bright light or reflection -- and then it GOES AWAY. The blindness or partial blindness caused by a retinal artery occlusion doesn't go away. The doc's assistant (nurse? PA? receptionist?!?) wrote that on a Post-It note for Tom when he asked what he should tell his wife (me). Last week when I asked the doctor I work with (optometrist, not ophthalmologist), she recommended he see an ophthalmologist, but the blur could be caused by meds, stress, or fatigue. Somehow this sounds way more likely -- Tom takes plenty of meds for his heart condition, is under even more stress because of the vocal cord cancer and (are we surprised?) hasn't been sleeping well lately. Tomorrow he has a corotid artery scan of some sort (variety of echo cardiogram, I think). Maybe he can get some answers. His throat surgery is still scheduled for next week. Oh, and I'll be getting scoped while we're in Boston, too. Linn |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: skarpi Date: 09 Dec 09 - 10:26 AM Words fail! (((hugs))) I guess no laser treatment can fix this , but here in Iceland we a very good eye doctors , but I guess that wont help . hugs again over the ocean . some burden are more than other s úff !! all the bst Skarpi |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 09 Dec 09 - 10:12 AM << |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Jeri Date: 09 Dec 09 - 09:53 AM It strikes me that 'sporadic' does not mean this is a permanent situation. Also, complete occlusion means complete blindness in the eye. At most, he has an occlusion of a branch, and even then, a 'sporadic'(?!) one. I'm sure the eye jerk did a fundoscopic exam so he did see something that requires further study. As for giving what may be a prospective diagnosis OR a 'rule out' on a fucking post-it note, it's completely unprofessional and the guy should be reported to somebody. Most hospitals have patient advocates. |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: Charley Noble Date: 09 Dec 09 - 09:15 AM Words fail! (((hugs))) Charley Noble |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: SINSULL Date: 09 Dec 09 - 08:10 AM Any chance of getting someone in Boston to check this out while you're down there for the vocal cord surgery? Sorry Tom - your time in the barrel. Hardly fair to hit you with two major crises at once. Mary |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: kendall Date: 09 Dec 09 - 07:34 AM Definition of time: One god damn thing after another. I wish you could see my eye doctor (I can't spell opthalmoligist). He is top quality, and he has no ego. I was kept waiting in his waiting room well past my appointment time and when I complained to the nurse he got wind of it and called me at home to apologize. |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: MikeL2 Date: 09 Dec 09 - 05:42 AM hi linn Sorry to hear about your problems.....as if you didn't have enough already. I have been down the cancer route but I was lucky - I had several ups and downs but nothing to really concern us other than to get over the treatment and the after-effects. My best wishes to you both Mike |
Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon: One Thing After Another From: gnu Date: 09 Dec 09 - 05:38 AM Even more thoughts and prayers. |