BS: Fuck the south

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 12:44 AM

O Lord!

Listen folks, it was me who pm'd this to Kendall (and actually posted it myself on another thread). I was sent it via e-mail and it made me laugh, that's all. It's certainly not meant to be taken at all seriously, and I'm certain that whoever wrote it (as you can see, the website offers no name) was just trying to vent in a humorous way.

The problem often is, especially among us liberal-types, is that we are trying to be so damned PC that we don't allow ourselves the chance to do what sometimes really needs to be done-swear our f**king heads off.

I do apologise for my own part in this thread. Little did Kendall know what storm he was creating by passing this along.

PS-I have loved travelling in the south, and I've been to every state in the Union. This whole red/blue conflict will run it's course, but for the moment, there are still a lot of hurt feelings, and frustrations looking for a relatively safe outlet.

Again, sorry if it offended. I thought it was funny, but what the f**ck do I know?

..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 11:50 PM

I thought it read like something Ann Coulter would write about liberals. I've only been living in the South for a couple of years total (if you don't count Maryland, Oklahoma, or West Virginia as the South), so I don't feel I ought to comment on it other than saying that.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Peace
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 11:40 PM

Kangaroos?

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST,Yankee Hippy Queer
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 11:38 PM

I saw two of them one time. They were just kissin' away. Two males. Just think of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Neighmond
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 11:23 PM

The last sentance should begin "I, for one, AM glad it..."

Chaz

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Neighmond
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 11:21 PM

Ignorance isn't confined to any one locale. Guess that load of vicious, trash-mouthed, self-serving crap proved it. If the author(s) had a point I failed to catch it under the thinly veiled hatred.

It's people like that who perpetuate racial and cultural warfare. I, for one, and glad it isn't anyone I ever have to look at in my day-to-day business.

Chaz

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST,mack/misophist
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 11:21 PM

I think the tirade was intended as satire. After all, the site is registered to "Jonathan Swift". Read A Modest Proposal to see what 'bitter' is really like.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Janie
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 11:15 PM

But dianavan, where I come from, it's not. It's considered very offensive language. People around here curse very rarely, and they MEAN it when they do.

I agree it was a rant, and I could (and did) laugh at the absolute ignorance and prejudice of the gentleman, but as a defence against the shock of recognition I was really experiencing. (Even though my prejudices differ.) A classic example of the extreme prejudices all of us carry, but which most of us fear to recognize in ourselves. It was all about "Us" vs. "Them." I think there was some element of him laughing at himself for the intensity of his feelings. It was NOT! however, tongue-in-cheek. There was no element of irony in it all, that I could discern. It was pure id. And not very pretty.

Dadgum--real life intrudes on cyberspace once again:-)

Ya'll have a good night's sleep.

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST,mack/misophist
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 11:15 PM

A link in the tirade took me here. This is the best, most concise discussion I have ever seen of the religious beliefs of the 'founding fathers'. And it comes from a Baptist seminary! My opinion of the Baptists has just gone up several notches.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Peace
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 10:54 PM

LOL

That is hilarious, BillD.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 10:49 PM

reposted, 'cause folks won't usually click on links:

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Ban all them naughty words, I say! How are we gonna keep the intrinsic panasche and force of good cuss words if everyone and their 2nd cousin Charlie are using them in every 2rd utterance! Next thing, Dan Rather will be reporting on "another fucking car-bomb in Iraq"!

Do you not understand the value and power of occasional use of the forbidden? Otherwise we end up with this example of an Aussie bloke showing the descent into totally useless blather, like a Valley Girl using words like, ummm.... 'like'...

""Oh, I 'ad a fine time last Saturday..it was a fuckin' beautiful day, so I got in my fuckin' car and went for a nice fuckin' drive...till I came to this fuckin' park, and decided to get out and take a fuckin' walk. Well, I walked about a fuckin' mile and here was this fuckin' lovely lass walkin' just ahead of me..I gave her a fuckin' cheery greetin' and we hit it off right away. So we walked on down the fuckin' lane till various things in our fuckin' conversation made me quite fuckin' aware that we were fuckin' interested in the same fuckin' thing....so I looked at her...she looked at me...and we fuckin' smiled and went over a fuckin' fence and behind a fuckin' tree where no one could fuckin' see us......and 'ad sexual intercourse!"

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Peace
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 10:39 PM

Fuckin' right!

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 10:32 PM

I thought it was a very funny rant. In fact, much of what he said is true (especially about the taxes) and I do think the people of the 'red states' need to wake up and smell the roses. Just because someone uses the word f*** doesn't mean they are morally inferior. Where I came from, its just another way to punctuate a comment.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: kendall
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 10:30 PM

Whale oil beef hooked! Me cover is blown.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: jacqui.c
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 10:12 PM

I've just looked at this one - he's not serious - he's just a very naughty boy!

Kendall was in 'imp mode' when he started this thread. He just likes to get things stirred up occasionally, particularly at the moment as he is not allowed to talk and so must write everything down. Those of you who know him will know how frustrating that must be!

I'm just glad he's not mean, or too serious about things like this.

For myself, I thought the thing was funny, but I'll go with Kevin - I think that Brits don't really see the expletive as being anything more than an adjective these days - we've too much of it on the TV, probably. Those of you who remember Alf Garnett in 'Til Death Us Do Part' will be familiar with that type of rant and see the humour in it. For the USA I have been told that 'The Gin Game' with Hume Cronyn and Jessica Tandy was similar.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Peace
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 09:56 PM

I thought this thread was about the south Bronx.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 09:56 PM

A hilarious rant, magnificently OTT, entirely tongue-in-cheek I thought. Maybe it just caught me in the right mood - similar things have sometimes left me cold - but this tirade really stormed along with a riveting beat, and had me close to laughing out loud. The grave solemnity of some subsequent posts was quite amusing too, whether taking issue with the content or the naughty voabulary.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: DougR
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 09:45 PM

kat: I'm sure he didn't mean you!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: kendall
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 09:26 PM

So, I know where you can get another hair shirt when yours wears out.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 09:11 PM

Next to Clinton Hammond making fun of the mentally handicapped this has to be the sorriest attempt at humor I've had the misfortune to encounter on Mudcat.Not that you'd care, but my future opinion of anything you post will be seen in the light of your obvious lack of sensibilities, so clearly displayed by this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 08:12 PM

Morons come in all latitudes.   

the sorrowful counties


After you've absorbed that information, ponder this. If Kerry had stood for something like anti-corruption or flat tax or actually doing something about something instead of just hangin' out in D.C., a whole bunch of Perotistas who don't bother voting any more would have turned the tide for him. Sometimes it just don't pay to be cautious status quo, and this was one of those times.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Maryrrf
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 08:05 PM

I'm afraid I didn't think that one was very funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Dani
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 08:03 PM

Oh my God.

I laughed so hard I hurt. Thank you, Kendall.

I was born in California, and finally call North Carolina home after much moving among Pennsylvania, NJ, and South Carolina (where I watched the Klan march down the street: story for another time). I have to say, this is a true, heartfelt home, and like family, it is not without its flaws. The election season and past few weeks have been very difficult here, even in the most 'democratic' county of NC's 100. And in the next few years we have harder times coming, folks. And, like family, those hard times will be made even harder if we can't get mad, laugh together, and get over it.

Dani

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: *daylia*
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 07:47 PM

OK, so f*** the south, but please keep your tongues in your cheeks?

Would that be a new form of 'safe sex' then?

Hope so. Don't want to even THINK about a deluge of little Souths littering up the place by next summer.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Leadfingers
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 07:40 PM

Why did the original poster pussy foot around the topic ?? Why not just come out and say what he meant ??

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 07:09 PM

I was reading it through thinking what might offend, but The F's didn't really register much with me in that way - they just seemed a kind of punctuation, to give rhythm to it. The content.well I suppose that might offend, if it wasn't seen as tongue in cheek.

I think these days we see things like bad language a bit differently over here than you seem to in The States. Not really as a big deal.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 06:09 PM

that site is registered to Nick J. 1 Main Street, Madison Wisconsin...sound authentic to you?

I never understood why certain folks think they have a point better if it is full of Fs...and this, like ANY one-sided rant full of expletives, loses most of what humor it professes in the deluge.

Yeah, I 'get' it, I just can find better treatments of the subject.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Cluin
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 05:47 PM

I, for one, need to get laid.

From about 20 minutes right after getting laid... give or take 15 minutes.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: kendall
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 05:47 PM

Humor comes in many forms. Back home we had a guy who would start off calmly on a subject, and by the time he was done he was raving! We saw him as entertaining rather than informing. That's how I saw this guy.
"No man ever need be a total failure, he can always serve as a bad example."
By the way, I liked Sam Kinnison. He was a comic genius, and, although I was somewhat offended by his language, I still found him to be very funny.
Lighten up folks, we are headed back to the dark ages, and we won't find much humore in the Jew baiting or the witch burnings.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 05:30 PM

Havin' grown up in the South and other than the last 20 years living in Wes Ginny is an area that is very "Southern minded" I still enjoyed reading the rant... The only problem I had with it was the language, other than that... a purdy decent rant... But not as effective as it could have been with more gol dang's and less f's....

Good points though and I, having started the "South Will Rise Again" thread a while back, I find some agreement...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 05:23 PM

Let's get nback to music:


HERE'S TO THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI
Phil Ochs [1963]

Here's to the state of Mississippi
For underheath her borders, the devil draws no line
If you drag her muddy rivers nameless bodies you will find
Oh the fat trees of her forest have hid a thousand crimes
And the calender is lying when it reads the present time.
Here's to the land you've torn out the heart of
Mississippi find yourself another country to be part of!

And here's to the people of Mississippi
Who say the folks up north, they just don't understand
And they tremble in the shadows at the thunder of the Klan
All the sweating of their souls can't wash the blood from off their hands
For they smile and shrug their shoulders at the murder of a man
Oh, here's to the land you've torn out the heart of
Mississippi find yourself another country to be part of

Here's to the schools of Mississippi
Where they're teaching all the children that they don't have to care
All of rudiments of hatred are present everywhere
Where every single classroom is a factory of despair
And there's nobody learning such a foreign word as fair
Oh, here's to the land you've torn out the heart of
Mississippi find yourself another country to be part of

Here's to the cops of Mississippi
They're chewing their tobacco as they lock the prison door
And their bellies bounce inside them as they knock you to the floor
No they don't like taking prisoners in their private little war
And behind their broken badges there are murderers and more
Oh, here's to the land you've torn out the heart of
Mississippi find yourself another country to be part of

And, here's to the judges of Mississippi
Who wear the robe of honor as they crawl into the court
They're guarding all the bastions with their phony legal fort
Oh, justice is a stranger when the prisoners report
When the Black man stands accused the trial is always short
Here's to the land you've torn out the heart of
Mississippi find yourself another country to be part of

And here's to the government of Mississippi
In the swamp of their bureaucracy they're always bogging down
And criminals are posing as the mayors of the towns
And they hope that no one sees the sights and no one hears the sounds
And the speeches of the governor are the ravings of a clown
Oh, here's to the land you've torn out the heart of
Mississippi find yourself another country to be part of

And here's to the laws of Mississippi
Congressmen will gather in a circus of delay
While the Constitution's drowning in an ocean of decay
Unwed mothers should be sterilized, I've even heard them say
Yes, corruption can be classic in the Mississippi way
Oh, here's to the land you've torn out the heart of
Mississippi find yourself another country to be part of

And here's to the churches of Mississippi
Where the cross once made of silver, now is caked with rust
And the Sunday morning sermons pander to their lust
The fallen face of Jesus lies choking in the dust
And heaven only knows in which God they can trust
Oh, here's to the land you've torn out the heart of
Mississippi find yourself another country to be part of.

****

GOODWIN, SCHWERNER AND CHANEY
(Tom Paxton)

The night air is heavy, no cool breezes blow
The sound of the voices is worried and low
Desperately wondering, and desperate to know
About Goodwin and Schwerner and Chaney.

Calm desperation and flickering hope
Reality grapples like a hand on the throat
For you live in the shadow of ten feet of rope
If you're Goodwin and Schwerner and Chaney.

The Pearl River was dragged and two bodies were found
But it was a blind alley, for both men were brown
So they all shrugged their shoulders and the search it went on
For Goodwin and Schwerner and Chaney.

Pull out the dead bodies from the ooze of the dam
Take the bodies to Jackson, all according to plan
With the one broken body, do the best that you can
Its the body of young James Chaney.

Well the nation was outraged and shocked through and through
Call J. Edgar Hoover! He'll know what to do
For they've murdered two White men! - (and a Colored boy, too)
Goodwin and Schwerner and Chaney.

James Chaney, your body exploded in pain
And the beating they gave you is pounding my brain
For they murdered much more with their dark, bloody chains
And the body of pity lies bleeding.

The pot-bellied Coppers shook hands all around
And joked with the rednecks who came into town
And they swore that the murderers soon would be found
And they laughed as they spat their tobacco.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 05:12 PM

OK, Kendal. You didn't write it. You just threw it out there for everyone and it proves really nothing.

But what's wrong with needing to get laid?

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Wesley S
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 05:11 PM

Do we really need a thread entitled "Fuck the South" ?? What will that solve ? Do we really need to know that an angry man has posted a rant on the internet for all to see ? And HE thinks the south has had a hard time getting over the civil war. Another waste of band width.

Kendall - why did you want to share this with us ? What's next ? A link to the KKK for balance ?

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: kendall
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 05:06 PM

Whoa folks!
I didn't write that tirade, nor do I subscribe to most of it. It was sent to me by another Mudcatter, and I passed it on to do what you will with. I saw parts of it as funny, and parts of it as tongue in cheek. The rest was pretty much a good example of stereotyping. (Indian always walk single file)
MG if you were thinking I wrote that, and I need to get laid, well buddy as usual, you are way off base. Right, Jacqui?

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 05:05 PM

I agree about the beauty of the south.

The atmosphere is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: mg
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 05:00 PM

Actually I was referring to the geography, which is beautiful. It does have a tragic past. And when I took the bus in Georgia I would sit in the back of the bus on purpose. They were officially integrated by then but there were still cultural things going on of course...mg

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: PoppaGator
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 04:47 PM

By the way: for a similarly partisan but much less strident take on the election results, see

SorryEverybody.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 04:46 PM

It depends on each situation.

As a true moderate......................none.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: PoppaGator
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 04:43 PM

Martin G -- what gives? Which side are you on, anyway?

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 04:42 PM

Kim C.

It's just a silly old man's way of showing what it's like to be a sore loser.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 04:42 PM

Hurtful?? Divisive?? Here?? On Mudcat??? Imposso!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Kim C
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 04:36 PM

I find that site very hurtful. That isn't the south I know.

I'll see y'all down the road some other time. :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 04:26 PM

Mary Garvey

George Wallace was magical for you wasn't he?

I had been through Alabama many times in the 1960s.

Seeing the drinking fountains marked "white" and "colored" was hardly magical to me.

Back then it looked like a place that was still having a 100 year hard-on about how the civil war came out.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 04:17 PM

Yeah, it's sorta funny (though I do think the author should at least say "thanks" to Sam Kennison), but I'm a liberal southern Democrat so I'm used to catching hell from northern liberal assholes who think everybody in the south is named Bubba and has more guns than he has teeth and southern conservative assholes who think not having a picture of an American flag stuck on your pickup truck should be a criminal offense. It's good to see that intolerance, stereotyping, and painting with too broad a brush are traits that know no geographical, political, or ideological boundaries.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 04:11 PM

I was pleased to see that Poppagator way down South recognised the tongue in cheek side of it. It's a lively piece of rhetorical over-statement, a kind of irony.

I'd read it as a way of dispersing anger - "venting" as Jude called it there - rather than of generating it. At least that's how it should work in the kind of places where people have the ability to stand back while they are reading it. But of course the places where that ability is common are not always to be found everywhere. I'd imagine, from what I've heard, that Maine is one of the places they are good at that stuff, and that would have been why kendall directed our attention to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: mg
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 04:04 PM

I have lived in Alabama and spent some time going up and down the rural roads..would that I had bought antiques at the time.

It is a very magical, special place.

mg

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 03:59 PM

Sorry, I didn't find it funny, and it's not because I want to defend the south. I don't.

I never find anger appealing, even when it's someone on my own side angry at the other guys.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: PoppaGator
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 03:55 PM

Look, I live about as far south as is possible in the US, and I *loved* it.

Of course, my hometown New Orleans is "in the South but not of it," like Miami except different.

Of course, the author goes a bit overboard -- half the Founding Fathers were from Virginia and the other half from New England, for one thing -- but the basic thrust of his rant is DEAD ON. There's a lot of hypocracy out there (e.g., rabble-rousing about the "sanctity of marriage" by repeat-offender divorcees). I found it helpful to read "The South" as referring not necessarily to a geographical area but to a state of mind.

And you gotta admit, even if you disagree -- it's pretty funny!

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 03:43 PM

Well whoever wrote it is wrong in several ways including that America started only in New England. I have ancestors who were in the Carolinas and Virginia in what could be considered the "ancient" times of colonialism.

I am puzzled, Kendall, as to why you want to share this. There are many of us who either live in the South or had ancestors there, as in my case. I've also lived in New England and had ancestors there, too. Do you mean this as a comment to anyone, including Mudcatters, who have any connection to the South? Doesn't seem like you, if so.

katpuzzled

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 03:39 PM

I agree.

He also needs to get laid.