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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: GUEST,Fernando Date: 07 Jun 06 - 11:05 PM That's right we have to see a report before we form an idea of our own. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: number 6 Date: 07 Jun 06 - 09:16 PM Harper. Bush. Aren't two peeple that I hold to high esteem .... but I certainly don't condone or wish the killing of either .... or wish upon anyone. A Canadian value I guess, I dunno, maybe just a humane value. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: dianavan Date: 07 Jun 06 - 09:04 PM C. Ham - She does not value Harper, nor do I. When you get a PM like Harper, its easy to be mistaken for an American. We'd rather stick to Canadian values. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: C. Ham Date: 07 Jun 06 - 08:32 PM Oh, so your daughter believes in killing politicians with whom she disagrees. Where did she learn her values? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: dianavan Date: 07 Jun 06 - 08:25 PM What do they want? Depends on what news channel you watch. I heard this morning that they wanted to behead our PM, Stephen Harper. When I told my daughter, she said, "Those aren't terrorists, they're patriots!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: robomatic Date: 07 Jun 06 - 05:19 PM A good movie to get hold of is "The Battle Of Algiers" a superb re-enactment of many actual events involving a Muslim/Algerian terror organization (with a political arm) and the French led anti-terrorist activities which led to the capture and killing of most of the primary members. Despite the apparent success of the government, the French left Algeria. The actions of a minority of terrorists can so polarize a situation that it may lead to mass conflict and possible resettlement, forced or otherwise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: GUEST,petr Date: 07 Jun 06 - 05:03 PM There is a difference between stated goals, and actual goals. it is naive to think they would publicize their actual goals. (for instance even though Bin Laden criticized the US for the invasion of IRaq - ultimately it was a gift to OBL as it enraged the Muslim world and led to the recruitment of thousands of Jihadists. IN spending maybe $200,000 US with the 9/11 attack it resulted in two wars - and billions of US $ being spent. (Joseph STiglitz - former world bank economist - has estimated the IRaq War cost to the US economy between 1.5$-2 Trillion US dollars. Not to mention the recruitment of 1000s of angry young Muslim men to the Jihadist cause.) OF course its likely that Osamas project just happened to collide and energize the project of the NeoCons who were already planning to topple Iraq - install a friendly govt, and increase the oil output thereby breaking OPECs control. Getting back to the Canadian terror group, if such brazen attack had occured Id say it was highly unlikely that Canada would withdraw from Afghanistan. Rather it would lead to a more hardline govt. and possible backlash to the Muslim community. Anymore than 9/11 didnt lead to a more isolated and peace loving America. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: CarolC Date: 07 Jun 06 - 04:40 PM One article I read has said that they want the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan and the release of Muslim prisoners. I haven't seen any reports anywhere saying that they want to kill everyone who does not think like they do |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: GUEST,Fernando Date: 07 Jun 06 - 04:17 PM What do these people want anyway? Have they ever said what they want other than to kill everybody that does not think like they do? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: GUEST, eric Date: 07 Jun 06 - 04:06 PM >>It would seem the intent of a terrorist attack in Canada would be to swing public opinion in favor of a more US style war on terror policy.<< Absolutely. If logic is involved, that is the only viable conclusion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: GUEST,petr Date: 07 Jun 06 - 02:48 PM to return to the subject.. when members of the ISlamic community were asked to comment on the arrests one response was;..'these are young people frustrated with the continuing Iraq war and Afghanistan etc..' Canada stayed out of the IRaq war. Despite the election of a US lapdog pm, (minority govt. at that) the Canadian public is overwhelmingly against the US war in Iraq, and even questions the increased emphasis on warfighting in Afghanistan without any stated goals for withdrawal. It would seem the intent of a terrorist attack in Canada would be to to swing public opinion in favor of a more US style war on terror policy. - which is ultimately designed to get more Jihadist recruits in the Islamic world. (Osama spends 50cents to get the US to spend millions) So it seems that Jihadist websites are the latest recruiting and training tool - why travel to a training camp when its all on the net. Why not a concerted effort to shut down or block these sites..or why is it so difficult? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: GUEST,Fernando Date: 06 Jun 06 - 11:18 PM Hey six, you ain't nothing but a number. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: robomatic Date: 06 Jun 06 - 09:01 PM My feeling for Canada is such that a terrorist attack whether from within or without, would be for me no different than an attack on the United States. ...still wounded from 911. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: dianavan Date: 06 Jun 06 - 08:22 PM Annony Mouse - You said, "...the terrorists get into Canada pretty easily." Thats U.S. propaganda. Those who were recently arrested were mostly Canadian citizens or Permanent Residents. None of them "crossed the border". The reason the U.S. keeps pointing a finger at Canada is that they were caught with their pants down on 911. Please cite the source of your information and provide more than one or two examples, please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: robomatic Date: 06 Jun 06 - 08:04 PM Er.... to return to the subject, it seems the terrorists are being charged with plotting to kidnap/ capture some of the members of Canada's parliament, and then decapitate them. Which leads me to the obvious.... Why couldn't they find their way to Congress? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: GUEST,an old friend Date: 06 Jun 06 - 06:00 PM "See this page for numbers. 200,000 comes from the Lancet survey," Carol, the Lancet survey has been totally discredited, months ago, google it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: Peace Date: 06 Jun 06 - 05:53 PM Time and time again, huh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: Peace Date: 06 Jun 06 - 05:52 PM I did read that. Stop being such a horse's ass. The next time you wish to address a certain poster, name the poster. Until then, GFY you pontificating AH. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: beardedbruce Date: 06 Jun 06 - 05:52 PM Sorry C. Ham, if you think I "put false words in my mouth, words that do not represent my opinion, on an issue to which I've never commented in this forum." I did not intend, nor believe that I have, but apologize if you feel that I did imply such. Peace, Absolute agreement. "Anyone who blames a whole country based on its extremists is an idiot." Keep well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: beardedbruce Date: 06 Jun 06 - 05:47 PM Peace, I did not start the drift... "number 6 - PM Date: 04 Jun 06 - 12:31 PM "Is 6000 pounds of ammonium nitrate and a cellphone detonator pretty much a standard thing for Candian citizens?" Being a Canadian I don't think it's a standard 'thing' for my fellow citizens. But it certainly is peanuts compared the the amount of 'things' that have killed 20+ K Iraqi civilians in the last 3 years." Try reading the thread before commenting- No point talkin' with you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: Peace Date: 06 Jun 06 - 05:43 PM OK then. Gotcha. Anyone who blames a whole country based on its extremists is an idiot. I doubt any of us are at odds with that. This is the third time we've agreed in three years. Keep well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: C. Ham Date: 06 Jun 06 - 05:42 PM Beardedbruce, YOU put false words in my mouth, words that do not represent my opinion, on an issue to which I've never commented in this forum. That destroys your credibility. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: beardedbruce Date: 06 Jun 06 - 05:41 PM I repeat that my statement was not intended to imply anything about C. Haam, but rather about those who he was commenting on. I agree with C Ham on this specific point. beardedbruce |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: Peace Date: 06 Jun 06 - 05:40 PM And who said they were? You drop into the thread and start giving people shit for stuff they didn't say. No point talkin' with you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: beardedbruce Date: 06 Jun 06 - 05:38 PM Peace, I noted the difference in treatment, and have to presume either that US forces are considered to be held to a higher standard, since they are superior beings, or that the individuals are bigoted idiots. Feel free to pick whichever you like. I do NOT understand the difference that says "US troops are guilty until proven innocent", and "All Moslums are innocent until proven guilty", hence my request for an explaination. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: Peace Date: 06 Jun 06 - 05:33 PM No doubt you are prepared to do so, Beardedbruce. Why let anthing hold you back. Expond. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: beardedbruce Date: 06 Jun 06 - 05:31 PM No, but that logic is so common around here that it describes the reasoning that allows for the statment you corrected. I did not intend to accuse you- I was trying to point out that the acceptance of "Canadians are trashing mosques in the Toronto area." is on the same level as accepting "If one or two accused instances of torture or murder by US troops is sufficient to labal ALL US forces as such". But I do note a tendancy on this thread to presume "All Moslums are innocent until proven guilty", while the opposite is presumed about US troops. Perhaps someone who keeps pointing out how these mosque attending, arab surnamed individuals who are accused of attempting terrorist activities might not be Islamic Terrorists could explain the difference. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: Anonny Mouse Date: 06 Jun 06 - 05:29 PM Asbestos or whatever--the terrorists get into Canada pretty easily. Basically I'm surprised something hasn't already. They busted that cell up in Lackawanna (Buffalo suburb) and Niagara Falls has 3 entry points in and out of the U.S.--The Peace Bridge, Rainbow Bridge, and Lewiston/Queenston bridge. It would be SOOOOOOOOOO easy, you wouldn't believe it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: C. Ham Date: 06 Jun 06 - 05:26 PM If one or two accused instances of torture or murder by US troops is sufficient to labal ALL US forces as such, than why not? Or do you judge Canadians by a lower standard than you do US citizens? The above section, a quote from Bearedbruce, was meant to be italicized in mt previous post. In any case, I have never suggested anything remotely resembling what Beardedbruce's imagination is attributing to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: C. Ham Date: 06 Jun 06 - 05:22 PM Or do you judge Canadians by a lower standard than you do US citizens? I have never suggested anything of the sort. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: beardedbruce Date: 06 Jun 06 - 05:08 PM No, Canafdians prefer to kill a lot more people with asbestos than the US does with bombs... But that is ok, they are just asians, after all. Got to keep those 1000 miners employed, you know... At least I am willing to stand behind my statements, unlike the "many" guests that have such a strong value of the worth of their opinions that they won't even admit who they are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: GUEST Date: 06 Jun 06 - 04:58 PM Yes. Canadians are baaaadddd people. Beardedbruce gets some stuff mixed up in his head. He's confusing you with 631 other posters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: beardedbruce Date: 06 Jun 06 - 04:56 PM C Ham, If one or two accused instances of torture or murder by US troops is sufficient to labal ALL US forces as such, than why not? Or do you judge Canadians by a lower standard than you do US citizens? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: C. Ham Date: 06 Jun 06 - 04:53 PM read in the news that those Canadians are trashing mosques in the Toronto area, which kind of surprises me after all I've read about Canadians around here. I thought they were supposed to be different, better even, than ordinary people. You should learn to read the news. One mosque had a few broken windows, an inexcusable and hateful response to the Islamic terrorists, but one that hardly suggests "Canadians are trashing mosques in the Toronto area." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: Teribus Date: 06 Jun 06 - 04:44 PM Wrong CarolC "CarolC - PM Date: 06 Jun 06 - 12:02 AM They give the number 100,000 as a conservative figure. I'm sure you know that this means they believe it is probable that more than 100,000 have died." They give the number 100,000 as a conservative figure. I'm sure you know that this means they believe it is probable that more than 100,000 MAY HAVE DIED. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: GUEST,heric Date: 06 Jun 06 - 04:12 PM Thanks Metchsoin; You're a keeper of course. But all that's biting are anonymous logged out losers. Moving on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: GUEST Date: 06 Jun 06 - 03:57 PM Don't bother responding to Heric. He knows little about Canada and seems to have a great deal of pent up anger that he needs to vent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: Metchosin Date: 06 Jun 06 - 03:54 PM OK Heric, since you seem to want some rise out of Canadians, we probably have way less idiots than you do, but only because our population is smaller. Home grown terrorism is not particularly new to Canada either. We've had our fling before with the FLQ and the Squamish Five. Don't recall then that their actions were blamed on their religions though or I probably would recall some Catholic churches being torched too. Do you think there wasn't any backlash towards the Catholic faith then, because the roots of those terrorist's family trees stretched back even farther than 150 years? LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: GUEST Date: 06 Jun 06 - 02:01 PM England announced a terrorist plot foiled just before last weekend started (page 1), then on Monday the press mumbled something about it being a mistake. This stuff is all staged. The govt reporting on itself in a superficial way to keep you from looking to the heart of the matter. Sure terrorists exist, but they're govt operatives. So the govt makes it looks like lone wolves are the problem, to distract you. Such hogwash. The CIA created and still runs al Qeada, MI-6 blew things up to blame the Irish, and the Mossad helped create Hamas. The govts reporting this stuff to you are the problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: GUEST,heric Date: 06 Jun 06 - 01:36 PM . . . Couple of little nibbles. No bites yet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: GUEST Date: 06 Jun 06 - 01:27 PM Maybe not quite as full of themselves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: GUEST Date: 06 Jun 06 - 01:09 PM We have as many idiots as you, Heric. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: GUEST, heric Date: 06 Jun 06 - 01:05 PM I read in the news that those Canadians are trashing mosques in the Toronto area, which kind of surprises me after all I've read about Canadians around here. I thought they were supposed to be different, better even, than ordinary people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: *daylia* Date: 06 Jun 06 - 09:55 AM ...Well, I belong to the Human Race. I'm Canadian by birth! I believe in Maple Syrup, Peameal Bacon, Molson Canadian beer and that the Edmonton Oilers will eventually kick the snot out of the Hurricanes. I find comfort in any book or words, written yesterday or thousands of years ago that suggests we are all one. That spirituality is real. That something exists that is greater than us all. So be it, 3refs. And thanks for mentioning Cronk Rd. I'd been hoping these goings-on had nothing to do with the Rama Reserve. The people there have more than enough to contend with already. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: GUEST,3refs Date: 06 Jun 06 - 09:10 AM I am from Orillia, just alittle south(10 min's) of where these individuals where doing some "extreme weather camping" earlier this year. My ancestors have been in that area for over 150 yrs. The road they mention, Cronk, is a Great Great Great Grand Parent of mine. Now, days after the arrests, they admit that at least 6 of the individuals were members at the same mosque. I would suggest they are Muslims(Arabic for "one who surrenders"), extremists and terrorists. Being Canadian falls far down there list of priorities. They read the Koran and listen to there elders slant on what is really meant by the words that were spoken by God to Muhammed. Not much different than those who listen to Fallwell, Roberts or Koresh for that matter! All seem to think that their God is telling them that the world is going to hell in a hand basket and it's the other guys fault. Canada, U.S.A., UK, Australia and other countries mean nothing to these individuals. They are bound by their belief in Allha and the teaching of Muhammed. We(non Muslims) are considered infidel(non believers). The powers that be in Canada and the U.S.A. are telling us to be vigilant of anything that's unusual or out of the ordinary and don't hesitate to report it. Where do I stop? I find anything that is not part of my countries heritage to be unusual. I'm told that makes me intolerable of other races and cultures. Well, I belong to the Human Race. I'm Canadian by birth! I believe in Maple Syrup, Peameal Bacon, Molson Canadian beer and that the Edmonton Oilers will eventually kick the snot out of the Hurricanes. I find comfort in any book or words, written yesterday or thousands of years ago that suggests we are all one. That spirituality is real. That something exists that is greater than us all. E Pluribus Unum is something the world should borrow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: Barry Finn Date: 06 Jun 06 - 02:17 AM I believe the terrorists to be of the American home grown kind. They're part of a cell that wants to embrass Canada's lax borders. Their plan as I've been told was that Canada would not go along with US drug policies & that pissed off the wrong people. So disguised as SS motorcycle grass smugglers a few rogue agents from the Home Land Security Dept. went out to some hippie farms north of the border & collected so much pot that they had to smoke quite a bit of it before they could cartit away to trade for 3 tons of high grade horse shit. Now don't ya know it that it was on a Mic Mac reservation that this shit for shit trade went down & those people of the First Nations they have there own view, thoughts & laws about who comes & goes & who does what on their turf & things were begining to smell like black rotten salmon. Well, the salmon season did just close & they were over their 1/4 ton catch limit. As it turns out the reservation police arrested the whole bunch, confiscated all the motorcycles, saddlebags, helmets & fishing gear & firearms, that realy pissed them off. Well the agents tried to barter back all their underwear & belongings when they told them about their stash of 3 tones of ammonium nitrate. What's an ammonium nitrate tone sound like? Well, it's great to mix in concrete when it get freezing out & cures quicker & stronger than the 5000psi stuff. OK, You got a deal. So the deal was done & it was a done deal. The agents left all the shit & the shit & the aluminum sulfate & rode off on their tikes & trikes & alerted the Mounties, anonymously, of course, they never planned to make the collar anyways. Now the Mounties were pissed anyways about being embrassed about that "battle of the bridge" a few years back over the fishing rights & figured, what the hell the US has to back our play now anyway & the French, Jeeses they had now choice that they fished out the St Larry under the nation's noses. So, all they do is wait for the Sulfate & shit to get moved. As it turns out, the head houncho Chief El Cid knew that alot of his folk had been doing all the iron work on a project in downtown Toronto & that it was ready for pouring the concrete floors & well, ya know it's still freezing in Toronto. So about 17 Mic Macs go off with a truck of stuff thinking that they're gonna have winter work that's gonna last right through the summer & it not gonna be that far from home this time around, no going into the US. With all that border stuff going on & all & how they hate to us crossing back & forth, back & forth knowing that we got cigarettes & booze, well they just thought it'd be good for a change if they could find work in their own country, after they are of the First Nation. Wouldn't ya know they all got busted, and they still don't even know why, just a lot of Elk-Hide'n'stuff. Now the rouge agents back down south in the US are thinking if they can convince the the Canadians that these Mic Macs are really "Islamic terrorists" then maybe they can spin this whole thing in their favor. Get the borders closed down tight, maybe even fenced like way down in South America, like Texas, maybe ever get the Canadian government to pay for a good part of it. It'll look real good come election time for both governments & their ruling parties, more money can be ask for, for security & to fight for democracy & the war on terror. And it was a way better plan than the rogue agents started with anyway, ya know, blow up some buildings an' all. Now asking that Americans carry passports will be a shoe in & those Mexicans & their broken down trucks won't be part of the doing business in the US or Canada anymore. The peoples of the First Nations can take the place of the Mexican illegales & there'll be plenty of work for them, espically up in the NorthWest & around the Lakes, ok we'll have to give them back their fishing rights, so what. They do have Arab sounding names now, don't ya know. Well all's well that ends well, say, will this cause more home growns to be grown or what? Maybe we can some how use those Waco Cults for something, or those Militia Men, ya they'd make get "Islamic terrorists" scapegoats & fall guys for something. I guess there's something to believing only half of what you see & none of what you hear. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: CarolC Date: 06 Jun 06 - 12:02 AM They give the number 100,000 as a conservative figure. I'm sure you know that this means they believe it is probable that more than 100,000 have died. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: Teribus Date: 05 Jun 06 - 11:54 PM CarolC, If you go to the text of this "Lancet" article upon which you seem to base a great deal of faith in, you will find that it does state that 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians have died, it says that from a study 100,000 MAY HAVE died. I believe that there is a significant difference in stating that some is as opposed to stating that something may be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario From: number 6 Date: 05 Jun 06 - 11:01 PM Mohamad Atta did not enter through Canada ... regardless, U.S. customs let him in ... and then U.S. flight schools taught him to fly! sIx |
