Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: heric
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 11:19 PM

Nobody is scapegoating Iceland. Their bankers grossly over-leveraged themselves, and paid high interest rates as a smokescreen.

You might place some blame on the UK for getting suckered on promises of high interest without due diligence, but sorry you can't blame the US for this one. (Even skarpi said so on a different thread.)

As for the many things you can blame the US for, I haven't seen any legitimate sources blaming poor people.

Truth of the matter is, this really is a worldwide problem. The very rich banking and investing elite are worldwide, and naturally well represented in the US (which is nearly half the global economy.)

The failure to do due diligence, as a symptom of lazy greed, was an extreme US phenomenon, but it is also worldwide.

Worldwide shysters, wordwide lazy greed, and worldwide government negligence (at best.)

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 10:52 PM

The UK's problems are way bigger than just the problems with this one bank, and they will continue to exist after everybody gets their money back from Icesave. It surprises me that the intelligent UK people here in the Mudcat are allowing Brown to distract them from the mistakes of the UK government by scapegoating Iceland.

In my country (the real cause of the problems that are having such a devastating effect on much of the rest of the world), the people responsible are trying to divert our attention away from their culpability by scapegoating poor people.

We shouldn't let them do that. If we do, they will get away with all of it.

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: Rumncoke
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 07:05 PM

Nothing reported so far - I think it is fairly safe to say that the embassy is not in any danger.

Anne

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: skarpi
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 06:28 PM

well I hope its a not true story .
but then again there are angry people out there .

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 06:19 PM

Attacking an embassy of ANY country could be considered an act of war.

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: Rumncoke
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 05:00 PM

I think this has gone from untrue to insane.

The Icelandic Embassy must be worth quite a bit, the Government here would never do anything to damage it - if there are police around it they might be guarding it against angry investors, so that it can be sold off to recover some of the debt.

Here the media are doing their best to reasure the majority of investors that their money is safe and all that will be lost is the interest.

The ten o'clock news is about to start on the box - I will go and watch it to see if there is any mention of the embassy.

Anne

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: skarpi
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 04:50 PM

it was on our Tv 19:00 clock and ofcourse not it would look bad enough
" if the story is right " becouse many things are said these days .

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: Rasener
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 04:48 PM

BBC News tonight

After a number of sharp exchanges between Gordon Brown and his Icelandic counterpart Geir Haarde, the countries have sought to show they are now working together.

"Delegations of Iceland and the United Kingdom have met in a friendly atmosphere in Reykjavík to discuss issues of mutual interest related to the current financial crisis," the joint statement said.

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: Rasener
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 04:11 PM

As I said before, the Uk is only trying to get back what is theirs.


Pay up Iceland and all is OK

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 04:09 PM

now the embassy was also threadin to be blown up by the british
and thats why a armed police man are around it .

I can't find any reports to support this. If this is what is being reported in Iceland then it is irresponsible reporting and someone should put a stop to it right away.

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: skarpi
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 03:39 PM

Hostile dammmthose fingers

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: skarpi
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 03:37 PM

hostal

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: skarpi
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 03:36 PM

Villan , no one things you are calling us a terrorist ,
its the act of Mr Brown of the Terroists law okei you got it ??

today the Embassy of Iceland got a statement from Mr Brown
about the his act , witch he redraw it and says it only against one bank ( Landsbanki ) and not the others .

now the embassy was also threadin to be blown up by the british
and thats why a armed police man are around it .

now Villan I hope and I know you all get your money but what
would think if someone would hurt someone at the embassy ?

what do you think we would call UK then ??

Villan you can blame me if you want , if you feel better go ahead
now I feel a hostel words from you

It is ludicrous for Skarpi to suggest that we think they are terrorists, but if he goes on about that, he will lose some good UK friends.Crooks springs to mind.


I am not a crook .

And now you lost a friend .


have a good live mate , I hope you get the money back
and I hope UK can through this crisis .

All the best Skarpi

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 03:28 PM

Sorry but if they are GOOD friends, then Skarpi repeating what is spread all over the front pages of Iceland's newspapers, won't make them go away.
Try looking at it from their point of view, and try thinking how we'd feel if America or some such place did it to us. They are only a small nation, and they feel bullied. A fairly understandable reaction.

XG

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: Rasener
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 02:59 PM

That may well be the case Repaire, but we have the right to try and get our money back in whatever way we can.

It is ludicrous for Skarpi to suggest that we think they are terrorists, but if he goes on about that, he will lose some good UK friends.

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 02:54 PM

It seems to me that the people of Iceland were just as much victims as those of the UK and elsewhere.

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 02:52 PM

They've been asking for it ever since they stopped stocking Chinese Ribs.

Go on Gordon! Give 'em one on the hooter!

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 02:46 PM

Although there has been criticism of the government's use of the anti-terrorism law, FT.com reports that the human rights group, Liberty, has declined to criticise it, arguing that it seemed to fall under the umbrella of the "security" provisions referred to in the act's title.

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: Rasener
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 02:22 PM

Or

Mr Brown froze Icelands banks Assets to protect investments by UK citizens.

This is actually getting a bit tiring.

Basically Iceland owes at least a billion pounds to Uk citizens and have spent this money inappropriately and so much so, it is debatable if the money will be paid back.

Crooks springs to mind.

Its simple

Iceland pay your debts and stop blaming the UK for insisting on wanting its own money back.

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: skarpi
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 01:01 PM

the head of this thread is to showing people how tings were done

I could have said , Mr Brown used Terrorist law against ICeland ??
or Terrorist law activated to freeze things ??

Dazbo said it all .

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: GUEST,Dazbo at work
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 12:39 PM

Backwoodsman - The legislation used to do this was passed to attack terrorist finances. As such this is a despicable "mission creep" of legislation that makes a mockery of all the so called anti-terrorism laws passed in recent years showing that the government and its agencies will use these laws against their own citizens and others at the drop of a hat. But of courst the innocent have nothing to fear!!!!

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 12:09 PM

Skarpi - we didn't start this, the banks did.

Gordon Brown has acted to protect British institutions and British citizens, exactly as he is required to do under his responsibilities as head of our Government.

No-one, repeat NO-ONE has said that Icelanders are Terrorists - it's you yourself who made that link (presumably provoked by a rabid and notoriously deceitful press who never let the truth get in the way of a good story, and who latched on to a surefire way to sell lots of copy).

No-one, repeat NO-ONE has declared war on Iceland.

What don't you understand about those four, perfectly simple, statements?

Calm down man, you're starting to look like a twerp.

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: skarpi
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 11:25 AM

Iceland should have had more sense than to have joined anyway.

yes Peter thats true very true .

but at this time it does not matter my friend not at all .

Iceland is gone , and there is nothing left to do than ask IMF
to come and help us clean up the mess and look for a brighter futerue .

if something is not done now , then I mean now today or tomorrow
everthing here is goin to stopp !! and I mean stopp .

so I ask the UK Press to stopp kicking us , we are already down
instead help us , your money is goin be in your acounts and
other matter is being talked about here in Reykjavik .

Help us to be positive , we are all in the together and remeber
this did not start in Iceland , it hit Iceland harder than other countrys .,

Peter what ever we say or do iis not goin to sole this , neither
I shout or you say something .

so I hope all people will go out of this alive , with out war
or bloody fights in sities.

peace to you all
kn Skarpi

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 10:38 AM

Oh, and NATO's got sod all to do with this. Iceland should have had more sense than to have joined anyway. We already know that when it comes to lending credibility to US military adventures, Britain has got no sense at all.

Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 06:11 AM

I agree . Brown is right. he should march in there . And while he's about it, he could get them to swap my microwave.

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 08:30 PM

Skarpi, I agree. Peace is what is needed and wanted.

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 07:46 PM

I suppose there might have been public relations advantages in freezing the accounts without using this particular act. I believe there are several ways that could have been done. In an emergency governments can do just about anything.

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: skarpi
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 07:18 PM

PEACE PEACE PEACE

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 06:06 PM

As I said earlier, politicians should shut the hell up and get to work.

"...Marat we're poor
And the poor stay poor
Marat don't make
Us wait anymore
We want our rights and we don't care how
We want our revolution now
Why do they have the gold
Why do they have the power
Why why why
Do they have the friends at the top
Why do they have the jobs at the top
We've got nothing
Always had nothing
Nothing but holes and millions of them
Living in holes dying in holes
Holes in our bellies and holes in our clothes
Marat we're poor
And the poor stay poor..."

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: Rumncoke
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 05:01 PM

Police behaviour? What have they got to do with this situation? Thompson, as far as I know the police are not involved in this it is purely the control of movement of money across national boundaries that has been prevented.

If the law had been the Nice Teddies and Fluffy Bunnies Money Moving Act of 2001 but still gave the British government powers to prevent money being moved from British controlled banks and financial institutions it would have still have had the same effect - and the Government would have acted for the same reasons.

Because there was 'anti terrorism' in the title people have been making mischief and trying to stir things up with silly 'Ooh you used an anti terrorist law against Iceland!! That means etc etc etc' when of course it means nothing of the sort and is just childish nonsense.

The situation if quite bad enough - in my opinion - without having to deal with hysterical accusations.   

This might actually be the making of Mr Brown. If he can be seen to be doing his utmost to reduce the loss to British charities and local government - even if in the end the money cannot be got back from wherever it has been invested, then he will be seen in a better light than pre crisis.

Anne

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: skarpi
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 03:41 PM

Peter : to activate frezzing of Icelandics banks in UK
the UK coverment have to activate the Terrorist law , just in the new
few min ago there was an interview with a lawyer in London about this matter , and what he said was rather interested. And Peter this is
far from over unless Mr Brown say something to calm our coverment down
either he have to that or we are looking at polical crisis between two Nato countrys .

well but I said no more words here .


Villan : my head on the thread got you r all intention right ??
       and now the Icelandic PM is angry at MrBrown for his
       words . so this is far from over . but what ever I say or you say
       is not gonna solve anything .

       you live by month by month ,
       I have to live day by day now as you said we are all in the dame boat .

So how about playing some songs ???

thats what I am gonna do . I am gonna start playin in pub in Reykjavik
soon . try to do something to turn my mind away from this .

may god be with us all Skarpi ,

P.s Skál , Slánté , cheers , in one shot of brennivín

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 02:56 PM

Thompson, Arnie, Skarpi, etc, NO anti-terrorist law has been invoked. What part of that can you not understand? The British Government used legislation contained in an act which covers crime, security and the interests of British nationals as well as terrorism. That paprticular part of the act is NOT concerned with terrorism.

In the event of informed opinion suggesting the government abused anti-terrorism laws or otherwise acted illegally, then its actions will almost certainly be subjected to judicial review. From everything I have heard so far, any such judicial review would uphold the government's actions.

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: Rasener
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 02:33 PM

Skarpi
Your thread title says "Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland"

Mr Brown has not declared war on Iceland.

You are not responsible for what your banks and government have done. Niether are we responsible for what our Government does.

We are all in the same boat.

My family and I have no money. We survive by month. If the work dries up for my wife, who is a freelance translator, then we are well and truly in the fertiliser, so much so that we will lose our house and possessions. Its a very thin line that we all tread.

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: skarpi
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 02:17 PM

I have to explain " IRA "

it means

Icelandic Refounding army .

building up Iceland again . and dont worry we dont use guns for that


have good night all

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: Megan L
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 02:11 PM

Skarpi my dear true friends cannot be lost and those who are were never realy friends to start of with so not worth mourning thier loss.

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: skarpi
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 02:04 PM

shouting and ranting does not help.

who´s been shouting ? the UK press and people in UK has been .

but I am gonna leave now , not a word more on this thread from me .
and I am not shure if I ever say anything in here again unless
its about music .

all the best Skarpi

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: skarpi
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 02:01 PM

condone , No my friend no way . then you are missunder standing me

It is not our fault that you (Iceland) have gone well beyond your means.

mine neither :>(


Villan most of the Icelandic people are in same problem with
money , its the same banks that went over remember .

I feel for those who lost or are loosing money , maybe their livesavin
my mother lost all she had ....... now she has nothing but her clothes.

I can rise up on my feet again , but not all the people can .

so now all those who had money in Icesave will get their money
back , good . but here in Iceland many people wont get it back .

if I have said any thing to hurt someone , then I am sorry .

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: Rasener
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 01:44 PM

Skarpi
You sound as if you condone your countries stealing money from residents of the UK.

With that attitude, you will lose friends.

It is not our fault that you (Iceland) have gone well beyond your means. That doesn't mean that you can blatently steal our money.

Cool it and accept that your Banks have been using other people's money to fund your own economy.

You are still a friend, but your shouting and ranting does not help.

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: skarpi
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 01:29 PM

Villan , I may not be a terrorist , the act of Mr Brown is unforgiveble
but I might end up like one .

Why ? you´ll know later .

Mary :
My biggest fear is that our government will do what it always does when money gets tight. They invade somebody.

well you think they want a new star in the flag ?
maybe it will be a question who will be first to take Iceland

US or USSR

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: Rasener
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 01:13 PM

'Progress made' in Iceland talks

Several Icelandic banks have failed and will not release deposits
Significant progress has been made over frozen UK investments in failed Icelandic banks, say the Treasury and the Icelandic authorities.

Arrangements have been agreed "in principle" for a quick payout to depositers in Landsbanki's closed internet bank Icesave, they said.

The delegations agreed to work closely on the other remaining issues over the coming days, the statement said.

The delegations met "in a friendly atmosphere in Reykjavík", it added.

British investors have roughly £4bn in the Icelandic bank.

Although Chancellor Alistair Darling had promised to compensate investors in full, the first £16,000 of a deposit is meant to be guaranteed by the Icelandic authorities.

It is understood Iceland has now agreed in principle to honour this commitment.

A Treasury delegation is in the Icelandic capital to seek assurances UK savers with money in collapsed Icelandic banks will not lose their deposits.

The group wants to establish a claims procedure for British depositors to get their money back as soon as possible.

Under Iceland's financial regulations, its government is supposed to pay up to £16,000 compensation per account at a total cost of £2.2bn.

The UK government is also pressing for the quick return of almost £1bn of funds invested by councils and other public bodies, including charities.

The Treasury delegation in Reykjavik includes officials from the Bank of England and the Financial Services Authority.


Ha its working.
Skarpi, its all going to work OK and you won't even be a terrorist :-)

My wife who is Dutch, says thank you Icelend.

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: Thompson
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 01:04 PM

Hmm. You think it doesn't matter what the title of the act is, Rumncoke?

Would you extend this to other police behaviour?

As I understand it, the Icelandic banks froze their accounts, which hit British institutions that had money in them.

The British government then froze the assets of *other* Icelandic businesses - all businesses; the people selling nubbly sweaters or travel to Iceland or software or fish or.... whatever else Iceland sells.

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 12:58 PM

Once I built a raliroad...made it run
Made it run against time
Once I built a railroad
Now it's done
Brother can you spare a dime?



My biggest fear is that our government will do what it always does when money gets tight. They invade somebody. Nothing like jobless men in uniform chucked off to some foreign land while those with connections hide in colleges or jobs critical for the war effort and of course the influx of money from the production of weapons, uniforms and coffins to jump start an economy.

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: skarpi
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 12:44 PM

NEW NEWS coming , Iceland has agreed to pay all money back to
People in HOLLAND who had their money in ICESAVE . Problem solved .

now why cant UK ? go this way ??

Holland did not act on a terrorist law agains us ?


and now heard on the radio that the UK´ers have an agreement
also with the Icelanders about ICESAVE.

As we have always said from the beginning you wont have to worry
about your money , but you did not get that did you , -UK had to kick
Iceland who was already down , lets hope the 319.999, people will forgive you .


now when all this fuzz is off the table ........



lets have some music .........

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: Rumncoke
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 12:39 PM

I can't see why it matters at all what the title of the act is, just before Lehmans went down they got as much money as they could from their overseas branches and left them high and dry.

When the Icelandic banks were doing the same thing the law was used to stop it.

Councils and charities here are in real trouble, and I am sure that we have not seen the end of the crisis yet - once trust has been broken there is nothing to maintain the global financial system.

What the US started with its subprime mortgages bundled up and sold worldwide is going to change everything, for ever.

Rather than starting to spout rubbish about being labled a terrorist, just because the legislation used in an attempt to protect British interests has anti terrorism in its title, perhaps we could try to commiserate and maybe even find out how the crisis has effected, is effecting and will effect Mudcatters around the world.

My local County Council, Dorset, in the South of England has lost badly - as have numerous other local organisations, charities, businesses, the whole town of Poole is in shock.

One of my neighbours handed back the keys to his house this week, another says she has been told that she will be evicted next Tuesday - many ordinary people are finding themselves in real trouble and it is not the right time to start to wind things up even if the press is doing its best to escallate the problem.

Anne

in Poole, Dorset, England.

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 12:07 PM

Self-seeking?????
SELF-SERVING!
:-)

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 12:06 PM

The thing that REALLY pisses me off in all of this is that the Pile Of Shite we call the European Community has done sweet F**k All to sort anything out. In fact the main Pro-European Cheerleaders, the Germans, were among the first to jump in with protectionist "Look after ourselves, f**k everyone else" actions.

Funny how it's "Let's all stick together" with those EC tossers when things are working for them yet, the moment it all starts to turn to poo, it's "Every man for himself, F**k you Jack I'm inboard, up ladder!" The EC has cost us billions. Where are those self-seeking, grabbing bastards from Brussels when we really need them?

Oh yes, and you did the right thing, Villan.

Now I'LL take a pill!   :-) :-)

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: Bee
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 11:58 AM

If companies haven't the cash to buy oil at high prices, and cash -strapped people start using less gas and oil, then the price of oil drops - at least that's part of it that i can understand.

The worst of it is heating oil will not go down, and people will have to fill their oil tanks with very costly heat this winter.

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 11:43 AM

My email to the White House:

Mr. President:
Iceland is all but officially bankrupt and while Russia is offering financial aid (which will mean a Russian military base on Icelandic soil) you offer a proclamation for Leif Erikson Day. Please tell me that more is going on behind the scenes.
Mary Sullivan

Other than putting my self on a "watch list" I suspect this will accomplish nothing. But I tried...

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 11:34 AM

So I went to the White House's website to see what georgie had in mind for Iceland and here is what I found DATED OCTOBER 8, 2008:

Leif Erikson Day, 2008
A Proclamation by the President of the United States of America


White House News



On Leif Erikson Day, we remember that son of Iceland and grandson of Norway for his journey to North America, and we celebrate the influential role Nordic Americans have played in our society.

Leif Erikson was among the world's greatest and most daring explorers. More than 1,000 years ago, he led a crew across the Atlantic to North America. Today, the same desire to explore and open new frontiers inspires our citizens and contributes to the strength of our Nation.

America's friendships with Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden are strong, and Nordic Americans have added to our rich cultural diversity and proud ancestry. On this day, we recognize these individuals for their remarkable achievements in all sectors of our society. America is grateful for the many contributions of Nordic Americans, and we continue to draw inspiration from the courage and optimism of the adventurous Leif Erikson.

To honor Leif Erikson and to celebrate our citizens of Nordic American heritage, the Congress, by joint resolution (Public Law 88-566) approved on September 2, 1964, has authorized the President to proclaim October 9 of each year as "Leif Erikson Day."

NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim October 9, 2008, as Leif Erikson Day. I call upon all Americans to observe this day with appropriate ceremonies, activities, and programs to honor our rich Nordic-American heritage.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this eighth day of October, in the year of our Lord two thousand eight, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-third.

GEORGE W. BUSH

# # #


SIGH...

Subject: RE: Mr,Brown declare war on Iceland
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 11:26 AM

"Take a pill" is a bit harsh, guys. Skarpi's Iceland is all but officially bankrupt. He is angry. I too do not understand why Russia is the only country willing to help them out. I understand why Russia has jumped in - there will be Russian military on Icelandic soil. I don't understand why the US, Britain and assorted other NATO nations aren't at least offering financial advisors. Maybe they are behind the scenes. It would be in their own best interests to find a way to safeguard deposits if it is possible.
In a year or two there will be a few "best sellers" to explain the behind the scenes maneuvering. Meantime, as always, the middle class guy who has worked all his life finds himself at risk while the people who caused it all will have to do without a new Mercedes this year.
Greed and Abuse of Power - my synopsis of the bush years.

As to Skarpi - my friend, it is. Do what you can to safeguard yourself and your family. Many others will find themselves in your position before this is over. Our parents managed and we will too. And life will go on without a few of the perks we have enjoyed in the past. Your friends here may disagree with you politically, but they remain friends. And you know that you can count on many of us should you need help.

Now - has anyone else noticed has the price of oil is plummeting? What piece of the puzzle is this?