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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: BaldEagle2 Date: 30 Aug 04 - 04:35 PM If it is indeed impossible to have a polite conversation because others insist on their right to be potty mouthed fascists, then you are correct Martin - those who prefer not to hear such nastiness must go away and leave this place to you and your ilk. If that is our only defence against listening to the indefensible, then so be it. Before we go, could you please defend the right of a pedeophile to orate a recruiting speech at a children's playground. Then perhaps we can see what we would be missing in your wonderful world of "a person's right to say what they want outweighs ALL other considerations". (oh - could you point us to some sites you will never visit, so that we won't upset you again. Thanks.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Once Famous Date: 30 Aug 04 - 03:51 PM For a MOD thread, what specifically is offensive language? You know there are some nuns out there who think "damn" or "hell" is the worst thing there is. You can't do it. You can't draw the line where YOU think the line should be. Calling someone a used tampon is not swearing. True, it might offend someone, but calling someone a roll of toilet paper might also. Again, this can't work, because it is still imposing someone's definition of the world according to someone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: BaldEagle2 Date: 30 Aug 04 - 03:38 PM Ah - we all have choices, but the most cherished "right" we seem to give ourselves is a core belief that goes on the lines of "If I don't approve of something, then you must not do it". (Jeeze, we even have a teenage girl out here who wants to have all circuses banned on the grounds she read somewhere that a circus animal had once been mistreated: she disapproves, therefore none of us must go to a circus again. You get the drift.) On this site we appear to have two schools of thought: on one side "I disapprove of censorship, therefore you must let me say whatever I like", and on the other "I disapprove of inappropriate language, therefore you must not say anything that I deem to be inappropriate". The problem, I think, is that both sides are right. And then again, both sides are wrong. Is there no limit to what may be said under the concept of freedom of speech? Well, in law, ethics and simple peer pressure there are limits. Pedeophiles are not allowed to make recruiting speeches outside kindergartens, and neo-Nazis are not allowed to disrupt synagoge services by chanting obscenities at those attending. The rights of citizens to quiet congregation sometimes over rules the rights of others to make noise. On the other hand, to prevent honest discourse, purely on the grounds that you do not like the language being used, is extremely hard to defend. And will, in my view, inevitably lead to the worst excesses of political correctness. (I once worked on a site where the dress code actually contained the clause "On dress down days, jeans may be worn provided that they are nice". Honest. Oh boy, did the cube police there have fun and games at the expense of the rest) But sometimes the Freedom-Of-Speech brigade offer the viewpoint that "if you don't like what is being said on this site, then go somewhere else". This must be spurious - for those proponents will repeat the same theme at every other site: until the goers away have nowhere left to go to. I do not think that would be a satisfactory outcome. If that is true, then the same logic dictates that the Freedom-Of-Speech Brigade should not be given their marching orders, as well. It looks as we have a debate here that is the chat room equivalent of the abortion wars. Both sides, knowing that they are right, will go to extraordinary lengths to show that the other side is wrong. And there is no middle ground: a partial abortion would not satisfy either faction. I think that our volunteers are in the unwholesome position of being required to perform partial abortions on our threads. And neither side can be satisfied. One day, with impunity, the howling morons insult all and sundry for no apparent reason, and on another day sensible chat goes down the drain because the plug is pulled when the flames became a tad too high. Should mudchat have moderators, or should we advocate total freedom of speech regardless of what may then be said? Perhaps that should be in accord with the wishes of the majority, but again, perhaps not. How about adopting an additional pre-fix to the subject line of threads: say, "UM" for an unmoderated thread, and "MOD" for a moderated one. That way, the freethinkers could have their UM threads and scream and rant and swear to their hearts content. Those who do not want to listen could stay away, having been suitably warned. Likewise, if you go to a MOD thread, and use offensive language, then it would be no surprise to you if your contribution was to vanish sometime soon after you posted it. Just a thought. And it would introduce a requirement that the moderators could kill a single contribution to a thread - is that technically possible? But, I implore you, which ever side you place yourself, always remember: every single joke ever cracked, that was funny, had in it the power to offend someone somewhere. Don't lets make humor illegal at MudCat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Rasener Date: 30 Aug 04 - 03:10 PM Which sort do you like then :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Georgiansilver Date: 30 Aug 04 - 01:35 PM Martin Gibson is not the only person on here who causes a "stir" but so many people give Martin the "credibility he deserves". He earns all the attention he gets......If you don't like it, ignore it please. Don't spend your time on here griping about what others are doing...just give opinions and ignore anything you don't like. You are capable of imposing you own censorship...you have choices. Best wishes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Aug 04 - 12:29 PM So how do you propose to impose it on "***?" Easy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,Norton1 Date: 30 Aug 04 - 10:48 AM Enlighten you Blackcatter - I'm most likely not the one to attempt that but will do so at your request. 1) I've been a wandering minstrel for 30+ years. Have a large extended family of musicians, I'm not a pro, not even that good a picker, and some of the musicians are folks on this forum whom I have made music with. 2) I've a not so good memory and when I need words I can find them here. 3) I like helping people - it's what I do for a living - and have found opportunities to pay back this community with money, time, and some knowledge. 4) Because I want to. If that answers your question - awesome. If not - well I reckon life will continue in all of its magnificent beauty. As far as why I posted to this thread in the first place? Because I have often thought of the cat as one of the last free speech bastions. I don't always like what I read but I enjoy the freedome to read and post. Usually with some form of socially normative behavior pattern. Far as this thread, and your response to it, the rules were that GUEST's opinions didn't count. And you posted as GUEST:Blackcatter. I don't care which name you put behind GUEST, or the rationale for it, you're still a GUEST. Heck I could have posted this response as you. I'm sorry my IQ doesn't make me a human in your eyes. But it don't mean nothin Bro - and your calling me "idiot" makes you no better than the other flamers. I believe it is called hypocrisy. And were it I, I'd think about apologizing - but what are the odds of that happening? My last words on the subject - Thanks Susan - Be well and God Bless Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: The Shambles Date: 30 Aug 04 - 06:30 AM So how do you propose to impose it on "Martin Gibson?" Look, it's not by a long shot the most burning issue in the world, so "Let It Be". Let's tackle something more significant. Ron - the point is that no one is imposing anything one anyone here, apart perhaps our clones, that is. Nor does anyone have to impose anything on anyone else here do they? The concept is called freedom of expression and many do consider it to be one, if not the most burning and significant issues in the world. "Imagine" - "All You Need Is Love". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Ron Davies Date: 30 Aug 04 - 06:02 AM So how do you propose to impose it on "Martin Gibson?" Look, it's not by a long shot the most burning issue in the world, so "Let It Be". Let's tackle something more significant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: The Shambles Date: 30 Aug 04 - 05:56 AM We may not need to have censorship imposed upon us, but we do need to impose it on ourselves. The post referred to was posted here as an example and as most people have or would have ignored it - it could perhaps have safely just been left to be seen as an example? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Ron Davies Date: 30 Aug 04 - 04:35 AM Re: the post above directed at me and Robin from courageous "Martin Gibson" (who refuses to give his own name) Don't worry about me and Robin. As I pointed out earlier, people who use absurdly stupid filthy language to attack others ("Martin Gibson", to pick a purely theoretical example), are making fools of nobody but themselves. We can handle the problem easily and defend ourselves. In fact "Martin Gibson" is a pathetic opponent in debate. We need no censorship. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: The Shambles Date: 30 Aug 04 - 02:33 AM It's like the law. Does the law prevent law beakers? No. But the POSSIBILITY of paying a price for abherent behavior keeps those on the margins within the parameters of normal. And there are very few parameters of normal here. That brings us back to the routine imposition of editing action. This one measure (over used) agaist the 'vandals' is only a punishment. For it has little effect as a deterrent to these 'vandals', for it is done with such a fuss as to bring the attention that is so craved by them and is the main reason for their postings. The clumsy, lazy and offensive deltion of entire threads, (by our volunteers) containing positive contributions as well as the less positve - is just punishing everyone for the crimes of a few. In the process, precious freedoms are gradually being eroded and folk encouraged to judge the worth of each other's contributions and to think that there is some other solution - than self moderation and simply ignoring the spoilt children's attention seeking tantrums and ploys. Perhaps had this common sense suggestion which has been made by many posters, over and over again - been encouraged by our volunteers - things would not be so bad that long- term posters, like Art and Jerry feel they have to stop posting? Perhaps the encouragement and the example of how to post positively and not respond in kind to our 'vandals', can now be set by all our volunteers as the main solution to our problems here? And the routine and reactive imposition of editing action is not now and in the future encouraged as the only measure - but only ever used sparingly as the last possible resort and the limitations and counter-productivity of this action finally accepted? Yes it would be OK if 'pains in the arse' like me did not complain every time our volunteers impose editing action - but it will reamin a fact that many do and (I hope) always will continue to strive to protect the very freedoms that are thought by some to be expendable..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Aug 04 - 07:40 PM "...nobody ever challenges them for it." My impression is that a main problem is that people often do challenge or respond to hecklers, when it might be better just ignore to them. Pulling a thread back to a specific aspect is tricky verging on the impossible - one way would be to start a new thread, and post a link to it in the thread that has drifted off into other areas, with an explanation. And maybe supplement this with PMs to any people on the original thread who have shown they were interested in that aspect of the discussion, alerting them to the new thread (because quite likely they might have stopped reading the old one.) That's more or less the way we do things in ordinary life - if a general discussion veers off somewhere away from what you are especially concerned about, you are likely to find yourself carrying on the original conversation with a couple of people who are interested in the same aspect as you are. You wouldn't go thumping the table and calling the meeting to order, unless it was a formal meeting. And threads here aren't formal meetings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Jeri Date: 29 Aug 04 - 02:15 PM I think the compassion's still here, too. I just gets hard to find in the midst of all the bickering. You start a thread about being afraid for your daughter, and it winds up being a flame-fest on the war in general, because that's what some people may really want to discuss...or know how to discuss. It's the 'rut' they like to be in, and nobody ever challenges them for it. It seems impossible to drag discussions back from the generalities of peoples 'hot buttons' to the specific feelings of one person. People on soap-boxes are usually a lot louder and more persistent than others. I don't think human feelings matter to a bunch of people. For some of us, they do, and we're still here too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: katlaughing Date: 29 Aug 04 - 11:03 AM Steve, I apologise, too, for anything which might have offended you. I reached out by email after you left, but received no reply. Now I understand why that may have been so. I am sorry for your loss and that you didn't feel you could come to Mudcat for solace. There has been plenty of compassion here, through the kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Jeri Date: 29 Aug 04 - 10:22 AM Steve, if I said anything hurtful, I apologise. I think I did that already, though. What you did HURT. Getting pissed off at what people say isn't an excuse to hurt others though. Not for anybody. Compassion allows for forgiveness of the occasional times it happens though. It allows a bit of flexibility. Martin Gibson is an entirely different animal. Look at his post above and realize 2 things: 1) he doesn't know enough about the subject of the thread to discus THAT, and 2) his insults are so general they could be aimed at anybody (and usually are - they're re-used over and over.) They AREN'T PERSONAL. I'm not sure which bothers me more: people working a little to hard to offend others, or people working a little to hard to find reasons to be offended. For the life of me, I can't figure out why people would CHOOSE to get upset by somebody lobbing generic, one-size-fits-all insults at them. It's just background noise. You talk to somebody with the verbal form of Tourette's, and you learn to ignore the stuff that doesn't fit the conversation, and listen for the person's message, because the other stuff just doesn't matter. As to intentional insults, I don't think the intent matters very much. It's what you want to listen for, and what you want to talk about. Maybe one thing you should try before asking for intervention is to ignore the knot-in-your-shorts factor and just stick to the subject at hand. Just try it for a bit, and see if it works. What you're voting for is basically censoring replies, because the initial insult is a minor blip. You plan on writing these and hope that the admins clean up after you. It's not easy, avoiding that 'Submit' button sometimes, but the most sensible thing to do is not trash the joint in the first place. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: wysiwyg Date: 29 Aug 04 - 10:21 AM Steve--I'm asking as a friend and a sister-- please, don't continue this here. I'd love to hear from you offthread.~Susan motormice@hotmail.com (Put MUDCAT in the subject line to pass the spam filters) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: beardedbruce Date: 29 Aug 04 - 10:11 AM Blackcatter, I think that a problem is that anyone can sign on as GUEST,Blackcatter, so noone really can be sure it is you posting. Perhaps Steve "Norton1" has an interest in folk or tradtional music, and finds the Mudcat to be of some use. Why do any of us visit here? For information, discussion, friendships, and out of masochism, I would think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Blackcatter Date: 29 Aug 04 - 10:04 AM dear Steve "Norton1" Neff Why do you persisit in visiting the Mudcat even though, you are clearly not happy here. Is it a streak of masochism or something? I'd really like to know. This is a question to which I've never heard an answer. Please enlighten us all. As for me posting as a guest, I only do that while I'm at work, as my boss does not want cookies on his computers. When I post as a guest, I always sign it as Blackcatter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Aug 04 - 09:18 AM I assume you were being sarcastic with that "tip of the hat and thanks", M.Ted, (it can be hard to tell sometimes), and critical of those who said go easy on the censorship round here. But the point is, when there's a name on a post, and it hapens to be one of a very small numnber of posters, it's easy enough to just skip them unread. If some people choose to read them and respond to them, that's their lookout. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST Date: 29 Aug 04 - 08:53 AM "Yet again, GUEST 11:15 AM complained at how horrible the Mudcat is - yet the idiot won't leave" Well shucky darns boy. I forgot to put my "name" up there. Idiot? You're the idiot. You are typical of many here who simply believe they are the ones with the only valid answers. I know I have no "valid" answers - but facts speak for themselves. And if you can't speak to the facts then I would encourage you to ignore your own poll. What I posted to was facts. It's like the law. Does the law prevent law beakers? No. But the POSSIBILITY of paying a price for abherent behavior keeps those on the margins within the parameters of normal. And there are very few parameters of normal here. An example: A few years ago I got into an argument with some of the more "colorful" characters on this forum. Was told I should have been sterilized at birth. I didn't respond very well and a bunch of my Marine Brothers came over and raised cain for a day on the board. What a bunch of whining from the status quo here about that. I'll admit I most likely should not have done that. Came back and apologized for it a while back too. But of those involved in that diatribe I was the only one who apologized. The rest of the folks that were as ignorant, or worse than I, continued to be idiots and self-sanctified that they had done no wrong. Therefore no apologies for their behavior. Far as I am concerned it's no biggy anymore. But it still typifies the behavior. Compassion is a trait that is not well represented here. Once again that is my opinion only. I would not post here about personal loss, national tragedy, or anything that would be in need of folks to empathise with the situation. Some folks here would start to be there and caring - then the rest of the, let me quote you here, "idiots" would make it so miserable for the poster and the problems that they were struggling with would be better off going to KKK rally advocating for black membership. (That's an analogy for us idiots that don't speak real well) And this thread is as good an example of that trait on Mudcat as any. So as to your poll. It's a useless excuse to beat others, GUESTs included, for what doesn't fit with your idea of what should be. My name is Steve Neff, my handle is Norton1, and if you want to talk to me PM me and I'll give you my phone number. Though I doubt that a direct communication is of any more importance to you than anyone else who hides here and villifies others for what they say. Even though the poll suggests that no one wants to have their behavior monitored/modified from an external rationale. Might infringe on their ability to be assholes from time to time. And let me be clear that I am one of those that has exceeded the bondaries on occasion. No matter how well provoked by others. Made my apoloiges for that - I screw up I will apologize. Oh yeah - watch the crap now - right after I was told I should have been sterilized at birth our 19 year old son put a rifle under his chin and shot himself to death. Try holding the hand of one of your kids as the life leaks out of him. I thought of a lot of things I'd done wrong in my life. Maybe they, the villifiers, knew more than I did about the future. But I can assure you the folks involved in that little mess had nothing to do with the loss of our son. But it sure put their aversive behavior in perspective for me. So post away GUEST:Blackcatter. Pretty funny - GUEST condemns GUEST - it still does not mean a darn thing. And really good folks like Jerry, Spaw, and a few others that made the board fun and sincere appear to not agree with you in fact - but I'll bet in principle their simple good hearted nature could no longer tolerate folks of your ilk that advocate change for a nicer board and in that same thread bash others. Be well and God Bless - Steve "Norton1" Neff |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: JennyO Date: 29 Aug 04 - 07:32 AM And thank YOU Shambles, for a reminder of why I voted NO. I'm with Shambles on this one! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: katlaughing Date: 29 Aug 04 - 02:55 AM Thanks, MTed, for the reminder of why I voted "yes." Blackcatter...I feel a sharp pain in my posterior, I'm going to check to see if I'm getting screwed. . . could it be just a claw and not a screwing? *g* I'll see yer "meow" and raise you one phit of a hissy.:-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: The Shambles Date: 29 Aug 04 - 02:16 AM Just a little reminder of what you have all voted to accept--and thanks and a tip of the hat to Martin Gibson--- The question(s) were not if we like vandalism - but we all would be foolish not to accept it as a sad fact. Accepting what you have no power over (the postings of others') is a good start to at least ensure that we all do not become vandals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: M.Ted Date: 29 Aug 04 - 01:22 AM Just a little reminder of what you have all voted to accept--and thanks and a tip of the hat to Martin Gibson--- Subject: RE: BS: Supermarkets destroying Communities From: Martin Gibson - PM Date: 28 Aug 04 - 06:12 PM You are both girlie men. You Ron Davies and fool troupe, are about as intellectual as roadkill. You both wouldn't last in a high school debate or on a mean city street. As for my musical ability, you both prove to be completely ignorant as this is just a typical example of making your pompous assumptions on not knowing all of the facts. ie. You have not heard me play or sing over the last 40 or so years. You fools troupe display all of the maturity of a sad, bitter old man, set in your ways. You are so removed from your youthfulness, that you can only think inside your own very small box. It's the type of maturity that allows me to use shit language on you full knowing that it DOES yank your chain and will get to show how easily it is that you offend in all of your political correctness. It's pretty entertaining. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Aug 04 - 12:32 AM Yeah, Blackcatter, we're honest - nobody's offered us a penny yet. ...and they're not likely to. -"Honest" Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: pdq Date: 28 Aug 04 - 10:29 PM Shambles - you must make it an Offer he can't refuse! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Bernard Date: 28 Aug 04 - 10:14 PM YES I used to spend a lot more time on Mudcat than I do these days... I don't agree with censorship, but I do agree that mindless thuggery is morally wrong. The difficulty is deciding where to draw the line, and who is to draw it... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Blackcatter Date: 28 Aug 04 - 05:51 PM Mea culpa, my dear kat. My trust in human nature does have bounds. I will trust you and the rest (and actually, that list should be longer) about as far as anyone I know, but if I feel a sharp pain in my posterior, I'm going to check to see if I'm getting screwed. . . From one cat to another - meow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Devilmaster Date: 28 Aug 04 - 03:00 PM Just wanted to add my opinion and say no. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: katlaughing Date: 28 Aug 04 - 05:38 AM Whaddaya mean thought we were, Blackcatter? I am wounded to the core to think you've changed your mind about our honesty!**bg** |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: The Shambles Date: 28 Aug 04 - 04:27 AM No Joe I do not want to BRIBE you. Are you then open to OFFER? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Georgiansilver Date: 28 Aug 04 - 02:26 AM Les. Middle Lincolnshire sounds sort of "Lord of the Rings'ish" you know middle earth and all that. I think "Mid Lincolnshire" and proud of it also "Non-smoking" and proud of it ted!! When we travel...which we do often...we go to enjoy music..not to cause consternation by poisoning the lungs of those we go to see or perform for. You 'ull lot are terrible.. They should deport you all to Dublin where the pubs are non smoking. LOL. Best wishes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: wysiwyg Date: 27 Aug 04 - 10:51 PM I dunno Blackcatter-- I AM from Chicago. We DO vote early and often. But no, I have not figured out how to make praying pay! Yet! :~) ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Blackcatter Date: 27 Aug 04 - 09:58 PM Come on Joe - for years I thought you, katlaughing, Art T. and WYSIWYG were the only honest folks here. I could be wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,Tam the bam (nutter) Date: 27 Aug 04 - 09:18 PM I vote No. I do not believe in any form of cencorship excuse the spelling, i have on occassion being writting terrble things on the mudcat, but the reason for that is because I get angry at some of the comments that some people write, but after I have read their comments I say that I am sorry. I don't believe that anyone should be censored at any time free speech for all. NO |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Aug 04 - 09:00 PM I can buy paying for votes, but praying for votes is dirty pool. Not to worry, though. This site is programmed to ignore Pat Robertson votes. So, hey, anybody want to bribe me? Shambles? -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,GROK Date: 27 Aug 04 - 08:15 PM Paying for votes is a time-honoured tradition. Used to cost a few beer; now, it costs a few supply contracts in Iraq. The happy campers figure the cost (some body bags containing kids) and some civilians will not be noticed enough to skew the vote. The White House houses filth. Let's not lose sight of that as the election draws closer. So, what will buy your vote? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Cruiser Date: 27 Aug 04 - 08:05 PM Pat must have prayed for those 5 votes. Let's see: The Trinity = 3 Diebold= 2 bonus points for being an evangelical christian republican Proof perfect that pray works. A scientific poll (Creation Science) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Rasener Date: 27 Aug 04 - 07:45 PM LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 27 Aug 04 - 03:21 PM 100 yes, 0 no, 5 Pat Robertson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,GROK Date: 27 Aug 04 - 03:20 PM So, did anyone tabulate the votes? Where is Diebold when ya really need it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,Blackcatter Date: 27 Aug 04 - 03:12 PM Yet again, GUEST 11:15 AM complained at how horrible the Mudcat is - yet the idiot won't leave. If I get bad service in a restaurant, I complain. If I don't get reasonable satisfaction, I leave and never return. The day that Mudcat becomes a place that I don't like anymore, I'll leave. I'll likely not complain, since bad service at a restaurant is something I would hope a manager/owner woud want to correct. At Mudcat, it's a different thing. I'm sorry other good people have left, but respectfully, I don't go into threads that I know will be annoying to me. When I do go into a thread and either read a bunch of crap, of get slammed for my ideas, I generally leave and don't come back to that thread. The church I go to is filled with wonderful people. There are some, however, who I don't care for. I avoid them. If I wind up having to work with them, I do so for as short of time as is reasonable. I do the same here. And I am supportive of Max, Joe, Jeff, etc. It is their site and I'm not going to expect them to change it. I manage two sites of my own and I hear criticism all the time - some constructive, some not. I have changed things if someone has a good idea, but generally, I'm happy with my site and will usually delete most suggestions. No one is paying for the privilege of being at Mudcat (or my sites), so no one has a "right" to decide anything. Anyone who claims that right is a non-entity to me. As are nearly all GUESTS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Rasener Date: 27 Aug 04 - 12:58 PM But Super Ted, don't do that to me LOL :-) Oh but hang on, I don't live in Norf Lincolnshire, I live in the Middle Lincolnshire. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Paco Rabanne Date: 27 Aug 04 - 11:38 AM YES, I would remove all non smoking types who live in Norf Lincolnshire! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Ellenpoly Date: 27 Aug 04 - 11:33 AM No. Though said with sadness in the knowledge that good folk like Jerry might fall through the cracks for a while. I still believe, and I have to- to keep my sanity, that people are capable of monitering themselves, and also capable of understanding that some people are either incapable of doing so, or unwilling. There is no society that does not have it's sick and angry members, but I don't think they need also to be disenfranchised by the mudcat community. ..xx..e |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST Date: 27 Aug 04 - 11:15 AM Who cares - Jerry left because of the majority's attitude about abusive personalities in general. The same reason many of the original folks don't come back here and participate. There's some jerks here and the rest of the membership doesn't seem to much care about having the jerks personalities moderated a bit for civility. I've seen folks berated, condemned, verbally abused, and a general lack of compassion for folks who were hurting. IMNSHO this place is only occasionally good for finding music. And not all that good for that. With a few notable exceptions. Last bastion of free speech - last bastion of assholes that have no consequences for their verbal actions is much more like it. As a person posting as a GUEST - what a freaking crock that word - I not only have no opinion on whether or not to moderate - if I did have one as a member it would make no difference to anyone anyway. So WTF over? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Aug 04 - 08:09 AM In complete, and total agreement with Bobert, I vote NO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Ron Davies Date: 27 Aug 04 - 07:54 AM After all, I suspect some of their suggestions are anatomically impossible anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Ron Davies Date: 27 Aug 04 - 07:46 AM The flamers and abusive posters are making fools of nobody but themselves and proving that they are at best bored and at worst unstable. Just look at them as Gilbert in "Mikado" would--"a source of innocent merriment". You can bet their only source of fun is if you respond to them in kind. You however can laugh at them. The key is not to take anything they say seriously. |