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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: GUEST,TIA Date: 09 May 10 - 10:10 AM I would really like to get at the truth on the following issues. Perhaps someone could construct webpages summarizing the evidence: The Royals killed Di because she was carrying Obama's baby Obama was Jack the Ripper Obama killed Marilyn Monroe Paul McCartney died in a car crash decades ago (Obama was the other driver) That eye over the pyramid on the $1 bill… yup, it's Obama's Have you ever noticed that the face on Mars looks just like… |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 06 May 10 - 11:00 PM Don't be foolish, John P. Only people who disagree with ItchMyEL have to disprove his claims. He doesn't have to disprove theirs. Don't you got no schoolin'? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: LadyJean Date: 06 May 10 - 10:58 PM Ok, my onetime Canadian housemate was married to an American woman, for a while, and they had a son. That son was an American, because his mom was an American. John McCain was born in Panama. Any number of American diplomats and service members have children ovreseas every year. Those children are considered U.S. citizens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: John P Date: 06 May 10 - 05:28 PM The sky is red! The sky is red! Why won't you prove to me that it's not red, Michael? C'mon, show me your proof that the sky isn't red. Or are you a part of the giant conspiracy that's trying to make people believe the sky is blue? Where's your proof? Where's your proof? The sky is red! |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 06 May 10 - 05:05 PM If you would behold a Granfaloon Remove the skin from a toy balloon.... Michael, your absolute inability to evaluate information is going to leave you energetically spinning in a posthole alongside the road of life. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 06 May 10 - 04:06 PM A little glitch in your knowledge of the law, Michael: since Obama's mother was an American citizen—born in Kansas—that makes Obama an American citizen no matter where he was born. Get your facts straight. No, forget it! I know that's asking far too much from you. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 06 May 10 - 01:03 AM Hmm, somebody said his grandmother said, versus the officials of the State of Hawaii. This is even a question? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: GUEST,TIA Date: 06 May 10 - 12:34 AM To avoid a moving goalpost and shifting arguments, how about ichMichael states right now exactly what (realistic) evidence he needs to see to prove that Obama is legally POTUS. Please be specific and realistic. And when what you request is produced, we will se how sincere you are. K? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 06 May 10 - 12:25 AM SPB-Cooperator -- The problem with Obama began when his grandmother said she saw him born in Kenya. Other family members backed up her claim. That's a problem, because according to our constitution he is ineligible to serve as President if he was born in Kenya. The people who were responsible for checking his citizenship were politicians from his own party, so when the issue was raised in the media, those politicians flashed a piece of paper over the internet as proof. That was it. Now they say the issue is "resolved" and closed. But he still hasn't provided proof of citizenship. And he's spent over two million dollars on lawyers to hide all records from his early life which might shed light on his place of birth and citizenship. That's the problem we're faced with. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 05 May 10 - 10:10 AM IT would be constitutional if it weren't world-class bullshit, Michael, but it IS bullshit. Get over it, get a life of some kind. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 05 May 10 - 04:01 AM The may I'm reading from UK. A bunch of nutters want your presidemt to prove he is American, but then they argue that what ever documentation is provided cannot be proof..... Hm how are you guys going to deal with the fact that therefore every president you ever had had no right to serve, therefore, every decision ever made in America cannot stand.... Does that mean that all 200 Million citizens of US cannot prove they were born in US and therefore noone has the right to vote??? Also, can the nutters prove there citizenship/nationality by the same arguement?????????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 05 May 10 - 12:36 AM His trial will be held in his church? Um, real trials are held in courtrooms. And not in religious settings. And you claim to be a champion of RIGHTS? What power does he have to enforce the findings of this mock kangaroo star chamber? The REAL courts refuse to hear the case because Obama has already proven his place of birth and therefore it's a frivolous case. But if you put your fingers in your ears and scream really loudly, you might make your neighbors mad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Alice Date: 05 May 10 - 12:28 AM If you google "Manning birther" you get some interesting results. This one is worth a read, at "Oh, For Goodness Sake" (ha!). It is about Manning and his so called trial. By the way, Rev Manning's PhD is a degree he bestowed upon himself. they claim he was in Al Qaeda before it existed |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 05 May 10 - 12:00 AM I'm listening to an interview with Manning right now, live. http://www.renseradio.com/listenlive.htm He's got the goods. The trial will be held in his church in Harlem. He says Obama won't last out his term. And that's why his foreign citizenship has to be exposed. His signature on laws can't be allowed to stand. His genocidal DeathCare, warefare, banking giveaways that saddle future Americans with debt. His fraud needs to be exposed. Damn. Interview ending. Manning says the trial won't be streamed live. He wants people to come to New York, boots on the ground to give crowd presence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 04 May 10 - 11:48 PM Michael, you and a few other demented malcontents refuse to accept the more than adequate documentation proving that Obama was, indeed, born in Hawaii, nevertheless, it's there, whether you accept it or not. This "trial" that Manning intends to conduct that you put so much store by will mean nothing, and will have no more significance than a mouse-fart in a hurricane. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 04 May 10 - 11:11 PM There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. -- Major General Smedley Butler USMC |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 04 May 10 - 11:02 PM No. It's simply a constitutional issue. You have to abide by ALL the provisions of the constitution. If they can set this glaring precedent (have a non-citizen serve as president), then what's to stop the scrapping of the rest of the document? True, the constitution's been eroded, but we have to fight it every step of the way. I screamed when Panama McCain was on his way to the nomination, and that was before Obama came along. Has nothing to do with racism or any of that. You folks need to quit falling for that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 04 May 10 - 10:55 PM The whole issue, Michael, is a bundle of bullshit and hot air, and the REAL question is what motivates it. To my mind it is a focus of hatred and suspicion bordering on derangement. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 04 May 10 - 10:51 PM You HOPE it leads to naught. The federal court system refuses to hear the Obama citizenship cases. The military cases--how can a man who hasn't proven his eligibility to be commander in chief deploy soldiers? Why deny a case like that? All the commander has to do is show his birth certificate. He's hiding something. Manning's trial can't hurt. Might even do some good. We'll see in 10 days now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 04 May 10 - 08:17 PM I think, Michael that your count-down will lead to naught. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Bill D Date: 04 May 10 - 07:47 PM "Obviously, a jelly doughnut is not qualified to be President of the United States!" Why not? A turkey held the office from 2000-2008.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 04 May 10 - 06:45 PM And all this time, I thought that was exactly what he meant! (sheesh!) Don Firth P. S. I wonder what icky Mickey will do with that!?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 04 May 10 - 05:25 PM I believe that John F. Kennedy, when delivering a speech to the German people during the time of the Berlin blockade, said, "Ich bin ein Berliner." I do not think he intended it to be interpreted as "I am not an American citizen and, therefore, am not legally qualified to be President of the United States because I am actually German. I was born in the city of Berlin." Of course he didn't mean that. What he meant was exactly what he said: "I am a jelly doughnut." Obviously, a jelly doughnut is not qualified to be President of the United States! Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 04 May 10 - 04:57 PM I believe that John F. Kennedy, when delivering a speech to the German people during the time of the Berlin blockade, said, "Ich bin ein Berliner." I do not think he intended it to be interpreted as "I am not an American citizen and, therefore, am not legally qualified to be President of the United States because I am actually German. I was born in the city of Berlin." That isn't quite what he said, nor is it what he meant. Nor, for that matter, was it a slip of the tongue. Some folks, with a predisposed and dearly held set of beliefs, in order to support those beliefs, will pounce on any insignificant little snippet like a rabid pit-bull on a pork chop. Delusional, really. What circumscribed and mean-spirited little lives they lead! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 04 May 10 - 01:13 AM I thought he was born in Indonesia? Hell, I think I need a new foil hat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: LadyJean Date: 04 May 10 - 12:29 AM My dear mother was named Mary for her father's mother and Ann for her mother's mother. For most of her life she signed her name Marianne, because she didn't like being called Mary, and the French spelling looked more elegant. There was never any trouble over that name change, any more than there was trouble over my father's mother altering her name from Jane to Jean. (Both sides of my family name girls after their grandmothers. My sister avoided it simply because mom's mother was named Bessie Irene, and one of those was enough.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Ebbie Date: 03 May 10 - 11:35 PM I might add that I was born in North Dakota but North Dakota ain't my "home country"- my home country is Oregon where I spent my early years. Do you get my point? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Ebbie Date: 03 May 10 - 11:33 PM gasp! And Obama made the same remark at the Correspondents' dinner. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 03 May 10 - 11:32 PM (Apr. 3, 2010) — While giving a speech on AIDS and health care to a delegation of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender (GLBT) Democrats, Michelle Obama described Kenya as Obama's "home country." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2486390/posts Obama the usurper. 11 days 'til trial time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 03 May 10 - 05:26 PM There are no conservatives left -- only neoconservatives, which are not the same thing at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 03 May 10 - 04:59 PM Partly, Don, I beleive this can be blamed on media desperation. Technology has given the media channels huge empty spaces to fill with news, when there is not that much news worth presenting; to make these long hours electrifying the media corporations have migrated away from informing and toward electrifying and dramatizing. Although this is shortsighted you can see how the competition and huge amount of program time needing filling have fueld the deterioration from "forum" to "circus". He who dramatizes best gets the eyeballs. Informed by melodrama instead of communication, American voters of less discrimination learn that dramatization is the nature of the citizen voice, and they go forth and act out like ten year olds in the public arena, mindless of any more disciplined kind of self-government. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 03 May 10 - 03:00 PM You would really have to look long and hard to find someone more conservative than William F. Buckley. But Buckley was an intellectual with a philosophical bent, and although I rarely agreed with anything he said, he presented his arguments in a calm and reasoned manner and was willing to discuss his ideas quietly and reasonably. I can actually say that I did learn a few things from Buckley. But who are the spokespersons for the conservative position these days? Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sarah Palin. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 03 May 10 - 11:24 AM That's about the size of it. Political discourse has deteriorated in this country. The Republican Party no longer has any concept of "loyal opposition" -- it has been replaced with "throwing my toys out of the pram." |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 03 May 10 - 09:55 AM Looks like SPB-Cooperator finally summed it all up. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 03 May 10 - 05:00 AM Do Americans have a screw loose? It looks like sour grapes from a republican who cant get over the fact that the voters told their party to piss off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 03 May 10 - 02:41 AM Well, Michael, if this great trial of Manning's actually comes off, in what court in which jurisdiction is it going to be held? In Manning's root-cellar? Considering that the world will be destroyed on December 21, 2012 when 1) the sun goes supernova,So—I really wouldn't sweat the small stuff. How do I know all this is going to happen!??? I read it on the internet. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 02 May 10 - 11:00 PM Michael, I am sorry, but you are simply full of melodramatic horse manure. Peace, dude. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 02 May 10 - 10:39 PM Phillip J. Berg brought suit against soetoro/Obama on the citizenship issue and was denied due to "Lack of standing." You have to be an injured party to file suit. Berg is an American, a voter and a Democrat, yet the court said that a man who's possibly from Kenya serving as president in violation of the U.S. constitution does no damage to Berg. The courts have rejected dozens of cases with this excuse. Now there will be public airing of the facts. How DID a C student get into Columbia, anyway? 12 days and counting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Alice Date: 01 May 10 - 06:14 PM Yes, and who really was this guy who called himself Mark Twain? I mean, really? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 01 May 10 - 06:08 PM It's a fairly slow day here at the Skunk Works, so just for the helluvit, I did a little google-surfing. The truth is out there, but there is also more bullshit to be found than can possibly be produced by all the combined feed-lots on the inner planets of a dozen solar systems. Among other things, one must consider the veracity of the sources and examine the motivations behind the purveyors of all these web sites. The name on my birth certificate reads "Donald Richard Firth." When I was a wee sprat, my parents, sisters, and playmates usually called me "Donnie." At about the age of twelve or thirteen, I insisted that the "Donnie" diminutive be dropped and that I be called "Don." In one of my geometry classes at Roosevelt High School, I had a weak-eyed teacher who was slightly dyslexic, and after checking the class roster and mis-reading my last name (Firth, a Scottish place name inherited from my great-grandfather who came to the Pacific Northwest in 1851 with the Hudson's Bay Company), he would address me as "Mr. Faith." Never did get it right. I often sign my name "Donald R. Firth," not spelling out my middle name. On one occasion, however, I was working full-time as an annoucer at one radio station, where I used the name "Don Firth." For two weeks, if filled in for an annoucer friend of mine who worked at another station while he took a vacation. It would not go down well at my full-time job for me to be working at another station as well, so—my father's name was Robert, so with that, and my middle name, I adopted the pseudonym "Dick Robertson" when I filled in for my friend. So—at different times during my life, I've gone variously by Donnie Don Donald R. Dick Richard Robertson Faith Firth. WHO AM I REALLY!?? I am not particularly undone by the idea that Barack Obama might have prefered being called "Barry" (as short for "Barack") or taking his new stepfather's name(s) when his mother remarried and later decided to resume using the name he had been given originally. Theodore Roosevelt was often called "Teddy" (he even had a stuffed animal named after him) and Ronald Reagan was often called "Ronnie." William Jefferson Clinton? "Bill." George W. Bush was frequently called— Well, maybe we'd better not go there! I do not really believe that "ichMael" is the name that appears on the OPer's birth certificate. More than likely, his given name is "Michael," since he's using what is obviously an anagram of "Michael." I believe he might be trying to allude to Ishmael, son of Abraham and Sarah's handmaiden, Hagar. Ishmael became an outcast when Sarah bore Isaac, whose descendants became the Israelites. Ishmael is said to have wandered off to become a prophet on his own hook, some say founding the precursors of Islam, and later on, went on to tell of his ill-fated whaling venture with Captain Ahab. I think ichMael probably enjoys thinking of himself as a prophetic outcast. It fits the psychological profile of all conspiracy theory buffs. Anyway, I don't really give a rat's ass what Barry Barack Soetoro Dunham Hussein Obama Bill Brewer Jan Stewer Peter Gurney Peter Davey Dan'l Whiddon Harry Hawk old Uncle Tom Cobleigh and all chooses to call himself. #### So—just who is this James David Manning? The "Reverend" James David Manning first came to public attention in the 2008 presidential election after ATLAH (an organization cobble together by Manning for the purpose of running all whites out of Harlem and returning it God's chosen people, blacks. (Sound a litle racist, perhaps?) He posted several "sermons" on YouTube, harshly critical of Democratic candidate Barack Obama. Among other accusations, he calls Obama a "good House Negro," and in another, he refers to him as "trash" because of his mixed race (!). He accuses Obama of "pimping white women," and calls him an "emissary of the devil." He claims that Obama "has the cadence of an Islamic person", and called Obama's mother "trash" for becoming pregnant by a black man "out of wedlock." By the way, the "Reverend" James David Manning is himself African-American. According to Manning, "It is common knowledge that African men, coming from the continent of Africa—especially for the first time—do diligently seek out white women to have sexual intercourse with. Generally the most noble of white society choose not to intercourse sexually with these men. So it's usually the trashier ones who make their determinations that they're going to have sex." Manning defended his "sermons" in an interview on Fox News, saying that "we also have to talk about his character." He compared Oprah Winfrey, who supported Obama's campaign, with "The Whore of Babylon," and the Antichrist. The sermons drew the attention of the Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which filed a complaint with the Internal Revenue Service objecting to alleged violations of laws granting tax-free status to churches on condition that they refrain from certain forms of political activity. Manning continued his criticisms of Obama after the election, producing a video in summer 2009 that predicts that there will be a white backlash against Obama, complete with riots. He also attended many of the first "birther" events. In an interview with an Israeli radio station, Manning asserted that Obama had chosen to befriend Muslims instead of Jews. On May 14–19, 2010 he plans to hold treason trials regarding Obama, claiming to prove that he was a CIA agent during the early 1980s when he was a student at Columbia University, and that his Muslim and Marxist views combined with his classified CIA knowledge are allowing him to hold the United States hostage while he works to undermine it out of hatred for it. Jus' curious: Just where is he planning to hold these treason trials anyway? Manning? I think what we have here is a Chihuahua yapping at a lion. (aka) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 01 May 10 - 02:02 AM Too many Robert Ludlum novels. They're fiction, Michael. Fiction. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 01 May 10 - 12:36 AM Michael: Either due to extreme youth or brain damage or bad genes, you have not yet developed the ability to tell the difference between data, opinion, and rampant bullshit. Knock off this stupid histrionic bullshit. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 01 May 10 - 12:32 AM A birther in the court A birther in the court Hine-hone the fruitcake zone A birther in the court. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: LadyJean Date: 01 May 10 - 12:30 AM Where in the hell did Obama learn Farsi? Farsi is spoken in Iran and Afghanistan. It is NOT spoken in most Muslim countries, certainly not Kenya or Indonesia. I probably speak more Farsi than president Obama. I know two words. One of them is pronounce ann, and it is an excellent word to describe birthers' opinions, a load of bull ann! What did Barack Obama use to identify himself when he applied for his first driver's license? His first passport? Don't tell me Howard Dean, who would have been practicing medicine in Vermont then, provided him with a fake, or that somebody at Kinkos made him a phony certificate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 30 Apr 10 - 11:07 PM T-Minus 14 days and counting. Rev. Manning will address the following in the trial for Treason and Sedition of Barry Soetoro, AKA Barack Obama (May 14-19): * Obama was recruited in 1980 by the CIA while a student at Occidental College in Los Angeles, California. * The CIA then later enlisted Columbia University to extend its foreign student program to Barack Hussein Obama that he might enroll in the universities around Karachi and in Pakistan, and also the Patrice Lamumba school in Moscow. * Obama became the lead agent in the arms and money supply to the struggling Taliban army against the Soviet war machine. (That's nice. He was a gunrunner for Osama bin Laden) * How could a "C" student go from Occidental College to America's fifth most difficult school to enter, into Columbia University, and then from there three years later enter into the world's most difficult lawschool, Harvard? * So what does a former CIA operative do when they cannot pass a personnel background check? Obama becomes a "Community Organizer" on the South side of Chicago, where no background check is needed. * When 400 people who were on the Columbia campus during the Obama years of 1980 to 1984--students, nurses, librarians, custodians, shopkeepers, people in the environment, in their investigation--not one of the 400 could remember the personable and outgoing Obama. Action will most likely be needed to divert attention from the trial, so expect your orders to attack the Tea Party soon, comrades. Perhaps as early as tomorrow, May Day, international day of the proletariat. CIA commissar Obama will issue your orders as soon as he receives them from the People's Bank of Goldman Sachs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 30 Apr 10 - 01:50 AM P.S. a sitting president cannot be tried in court, only in Congress, after a successful impeachment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 30 Apr 10 - 01:36 AM All hard-charging conspiracy theorists are pathological. It starts with low self-esteem, then, when they embracing some off-the-wall idea, they can feel superior to everyone else because "they know what's really going on," but nobody else does. "All those stupid people out there! They don't believe me. But I know!" They build up an elaborate framework of disconnected bits out of which they draw significances that aren't really there to support their idea. And despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, they hang onto their Rube Goldberg belief like grim death. Their ego depends on it. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 30 Apr 10 - 01:06 AM I believe you believe this shit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 30 Apr 10 - 12:39 AM A brand new, in-depth investigation into the background of Barack Obama may spell big trouble ahead regarding the issue of Presidential eligibility. The investigation was conducted by Northeast Intelligence Network--a team of experienced, professional private investigators whose services have been utilized by Fortune-500 companies. The director, Douglas J. Hagmann, is a 23-year veteran in high-level investigations and is a member of the International Counter-Terrorism Officers Association. Hagmann's investigation into the background and Constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama to serve as President of the United States is extensive and thorough. His conclusions are stunning. http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d28-New-investigation-into-Obama-background-spells-trouble-ahead Dozens of court cases concerning Obama's eligibility have been denied by the federal courts, so from May 14 to May 19, 2010, Rev. James David Manning, of Harlem, will conduct a Sedition and Treason Trial of Barack ( T-minus fifteen days. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 27 Apr 10 - 01:17 AM I think this will make everything clear: "Wibble wibble." Don Firth |
