BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 08:17 PM

No advice here, Bobert. Go with your instincts. Meantime I keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 08:08 PM

Heck, Sorch, yer right...

If I need surgery I'll juist tell the doc that I'm fonna either do it myself 'er have Rap do it... Heck, he even provides the bullet to chomp down on... Can't beat that, can ya'...

But right now, cuttin' would be my last resort... I been thru lotta stuff in my life, including 6 months in a polio ward, and I ain't been cut on yet...

Okay, if after I have done absolutely everything else, includin' chiroprators, acupunctureres, cannibus, medictation, PT, thi chi, and bowin' down to Mecca and I'z still messed up then I'll get Rap here to assist or supervise 'er whatever..

BTW, this little electrical tinglin' in my right hand is starting to grow on me... The pain sucks but the tinglin' is kinda different... I could live with it... Kinda like havin' ones fingers in a light socket... Nop, it ain't cool but it's different...

Gotta go lie down now...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 07:59 PM

Right. I'll agree with that, Sorcha. So far, he doesn't seem very positive about the idea of surgery, but as you say, it might be an option. So might a number of other things.

I've had a shoulder bothering me for, oh, a couple of months at least. Irritated rotator cuff. The chiropractor gave me some stretches to do each day, and I'm gradually easing it out and getting those irritated muscles to relax and settle down. As they relax more, they stop hurting. It's getting better steadily.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 07:48 PM

Actually, I just said that whatever he HAS been doing is obviously not working, and it's time to do something else, and that MIGHT include a surgery....he shouldn't just dismiss it out of hand.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 07:39 PM

Everybody's afeared of lawyers, Rap. ;-)

And why do I see a bunch of uninvolved third parties trying to persuade Bobert to have surgery when he clearly doesn't want it, bobad? And when they aren't experiencing what he is experiencing, and therefore aren't in a position to make his decisions FOR him? That's what I'm objecting to here, not doctors.

It isn't a doctor that's trying to persuade Bobert to get surgery here...it's some non-doctors on a frikkin' internet forum!

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: bobad
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 07:28 PM

Don't ya just love the expertise of Mudcatters, hell the next time some know nothing surgeon tells me I need surgery I'm gonna tell him/her to hold on, I'm getting a second opinion from Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 07:11 PM

Now, that's odd. My wife went to the doctor with me when I went in to have my knee looked at. She wanted to keep him on the S&N herself -- and not only has she had a LOT of very necessary surgery (cancer at 17, or 47 years ago), she's a lawyer.

Do you know how afeared doctors are of lawyers???

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 06:32 PM

Good for her (P-Vine). I am highly suspicious about the prevalence of a lot of unnecessary surgery in this society, Bobert, so I'm on your side when it comes to this one. Follow your own best instincts. Surgery is the LAST option, as far as I'm concerned. Human bodies can usually repair themselves over a period of time, given the right encouragement.

Yes, there are some exceptions, of course, so if anyone wishes to remind me of that too...hey...I already know it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 06:26 PM

Shoot, Rap... I din't call you fat... Okay, maybe yer wife did and maybe she's knows ya' better than me...

An' yeah, anybody wanta cut me up gonna have to get the P=Vine's approval first and that ain't gonna be easy... She ainh't afraid of doctors 'cause her daddy was a doctor his ownself... And the P-Vine goes to my appointments just to keep them doctors walkin' the straight and narrow...

Yeah, first one that threatens to cut on me is gonna find himself on the floor wonderin' jus' how a 130 pound woman can hit so hard... That's almost be worth havin one say, "Well, Bobert, I gotta cut on you..."

Yazzir... Think I'd enjoy watching that little situation unfold...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 05:16 PM

You callin' me OH-bees?? There ain't nothin' fat about me 'ceptin' what's between ma ears -- and my wife told me that so it's gotta be true. She ain't hardly ever lied ta me that I caught her at.

Seriously, if the MRIs show the need for cuttin', you can get a second opinion. But if the docs agree, let 'em whittle away.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 04:42 PM

Your ol' self, surely you want to improve Bobert?

G ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 04:38 PM

Hey, wait jus' a dog-gone minute here, y'all... Jus' 'cause the drugs and the PT ain't worked don't mean that I need no cuttin' on...

Maybe just a cortizone shot 'er two and I be back to my ol' self in a couple days...

The MRI oughtta tell us what's what...

I mean, I ain't like some overwieght couch potato, 'er nuthin'... Them folks is the ones they gotta cut up on to get 'um mobile 'nuff to make it to the frigabater... That ain't me... I'z a skinny guy... Too skinny even to cut on...

That's me story fir now...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 04:29 PM

Bobert, what you have been doing isn't working. It's time to do something else......possibly EVEN cutting on you!!!! Now, jes do it. You is a Big Brave Boy. P-Vine will even hold your hand.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 04:23 PM

And make sure they use official parts, and none of your generic cheap replacements.
G

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Amos
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 04:22 PM

Make them show you the pictures ahead of time to prove the need, Bobert, and before you leave make them give you any parts they took out to prove they done it.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 03:58 PM

I might be bein' cut, Bobert ol' buddy. This here knee of mine got a shot of cortisone and lidocaine on Tuesday and the swelling went down but it still hurts. Sometimes when I walk it feels like...well, make your hands into fists and then rub the knuckles together: it feels kinda like that. I think there's a buncha crap in there that should come out, maybe some repairs gotta be done too.

See, I wasn't made to put up with pain. Pain don't do anything for me at all. Yeah, I know, you might be one of those who like to tied up and have Things done to ya, but it ain't my bag.

Besides, wouldn't you really rather play yer gitter?

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Skivee
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 01:45 PM

Iff'n you can talk 'em into doing some of that lippy-suckshun, I'll fill in fer you, Bobert. I could lose a few ponds. We could use some of yer campain money ter pay fer it.
BTW Here's somethin' I never thought I could say on the cat: "100".
It may be a cheap trick fer me ta use your pain fer that kind of cheap noteriyety. I guess that just the sort a guy I yam.
P.S. I keep lookin' fer some wacky-backy for you, but there don't seem to e much around right now. Sorry.
Iff'n youda got elected, we coulda changed that, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 08:47 AM

Thanks fir the generous offer, Rap...

If they say they wanta cut me, maybe you'd consider fillin' in fir me on the table???

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 09:42 PM

Look, you can always get a second opinion. But if they gotta cut to make you better, let 'em cut. Now, if you want, I'll come out there and cut ya. But I don't use no painkiller 'ceptin' maybe a bit of 'shine and you gotta supply your shine. I'll give ya bullet to bite on, tho. I'll even spit on my knife to clean off some of the crap on the blade and dry it in my own personal armpit.

Watcha say? I won't even charge ya nothin'.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 12:04 PM

Blame it all on 'Desilu' Bobert
G

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 11:33 AM

I can get GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD stuff now, Rap, without the incisions... If the doc says that he thinks that operatin' is a good thing I'll tell him if that's so then he ooughtta go get it done to himself...

I'll take a shot... I'll take a few pills... I'll do my stretches... I'll vote for Hillary (fingers crossed) but I ain't gonna let no sumabich cut me up....

jacqui,

Thanks fir them warm thoughts...

The MRI is fir next Thursday am.... That oughtta be 'nuff fun all in itself...

Until then: Anti-imflamatories and lots of "I Love Lucy" reruns...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 09:51 AM

Man, it sounds like you might have some ugly stuff, like a rotor cuff tear along with other things. Git that MRI done, and then you better stand by for some surgery.

Don't sweat it, though. The stuff they give you for surgery is GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD shit, man. I been there, and it's better'n any you buy on eth streets. Just watch the vicodin or oxycontin afterward. You'll need it, but don't let it rule you, ya know?

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: jacqui.c
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 09:31 AM

Bobert - I just found this thread.

Strong healing thoughts coming to you from Maine.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 02:54 AM

Bobert, I am sorry to hear of your mistreatment by the medics and near-medics.   It does make me thankful for our NHS.

When the present phase is over, maybe a contingency lawyer might be able to make you some money out of those who have harmed you.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Feb 08 - 06:06 PM

Sheet fire...

Wsa at the Physical Therapy today and the therapist was tryin' to stretch out somethin' and over did it and it felt like I had been shot at close range in the sholder with a pistol... She was horrified and, yeah, I screamed out mighty loud, and then director of the facility came into the room and as I sat there in agony it was decided that I needed to try somethin' else...

So, now I am waiting for my insurance company to okay an MRI that my doctor says is next and we'll just go from there...

This is 4 weeks now and I'm gettin' jus' a little sick and tired of it... Gig season begins in 6 weeks, I've got bookings and right now I can't even hold a geetar, let alone play it...

Purdy danged depressin'...

Plau, I ain't got no burnable evidence... That's the blues, folks, that's the blues...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Feb 08 - 10:59 AM

Sorry to hear that you're still suffering Bobert.

I've now had about six sessions with the chiropractor and will hopefuly get pronounced as fit on Friday morning, the guy has been excellent.

Hope you recover soon, best wishes.

T.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 06:30 PM

Chongo does do back jobs on people, matter of fact...if they ask for it in the right way. He did one on Little Anthony Mazarelli just last week. Little Anthony used to be an enforcer for one of the south end Chicago gangs. He didn't respect chimps. Now he's got a new job...nourishing next year's fresh crop of grass at the local cemetery.

I would not recommend one of Chongo's back jobs for your problem, Bobert, although he does offer a lifetime guarantee.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 06:22 PM

Her husband IS a chiropractor, Doug, and a very good one, but there are some back injuries which even the best medical techniques, whatever discipline they may be a part of, cannot fully heal. And that, unfortunately, was the case with hers.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Skivee
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 06:16 PM

Well, danggit, former-used-to-be-soon-to-be-president Bobert.
I was all ready to send one of them firm supporter messages ta help you get better. Then you go and admit that you was using those hemmoroids.
I think that this is an insult to our national sport...politics.
Just think of all those kids who will be going to sleep crying because of what you done.
I may haffta shift my support away from my rascal to one of the other rascals.
Hey, Maybe Chongo can do one of those chirobreakter deals on you.
Then maybe you'll be feelin' good enough to go ta the senate hearing that's sure ta follow.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 06:13 PM

She don't do California too good, Amos...

Me???

Ahhhh, think I'll just sneak out to one, thank you, and save myself the chin-music...

B;)

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Amos
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 06:03 PM

Bobert--

California thinking isn't bad if you include the omitted premises. In this case it would be having an open dialog to full mutual understanding with PVine so that you didn't HAVE to sneak out to go to the chiro!! Goodness sakes, man.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: DougR
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 05:13 PM

Maybe she should have gone to a chiropractor!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 03:10 PM

I had an excellent female chiropractor here in Orillia for a few years. She was also quite an athlete...competed regularly in the Triathlon. Unfortunately she sustained a bad back injury herself, and had to quit doing chiropractic, because it involves a lot of bending and lifting (of the clients, some of whom are very heavy people). What a shame! It was like seeing a great singer lose their voice.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 02:07 PM

Well, gol danged, LH, tell me what you really feel... Awww, jus' funnin'... I'm gonna give this a couple more days and if I don't get no better my harp player has a good 'un over in Harrisonburg... Says the guy won't do anything unless I got recent xrays which I just had done so, we'll see...

Meanwhile, I'm on my last day of steriods and havin' said that I guess that means I can quit waitin' for the Washington National baseball team to call me for spring trainin'...

(But, I thought is was Vitamin B...)

lol...

As fir a woman quackterprac... Yeah, great idea, Amos... This is gonna look real good when the P-Vine catches me sneaking out at night to see another women... That is some seriously flawed California thinkin'... lol....

No tundra!!! If I wanted tundra I could just ask the P-Vine to lock me in the freezer... Which, right about now, she'd prolly be more than happy to do...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: PoppaGator
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 01:52 PM

Dang, Bob, sorry this is still going on.

I've seen several different chiropractors over the years, with results varying from pretty good to unbelieveably excellent. Some of the best have been the wackiest, if not the quackiest ~ i.e., new-age hippie types.

My favorite ever was a Vietnamese guy, Dr. Ky (pronounced "Kee") who was licensed in the US as a chiropractor but was "really" an acupressurist. That's right ~ not acupuncture, but acupressure. And he didn't really press very hard at all; he find the right spot on your body, just barely touch it, and fix you right up. Sadly, his ground-floor office took about ten feet of water thanks to the levee failures after Katrina, and he hasn't been seen since.

More recently, I've gotten very good results seeing a full-fledged needle-weilding acupuncturist, a young anglo-American woman. I had been walking around with a chronic sore shoulder for months, and three visits clearedit right up. It's been about a year now since my last treatment, with no recurrence. (Those tiny little ultra-thin needles, by the way, don't hurt at all going in.)

If I were you, I'd lay off that CNN and watch the old movie channel (TCM) and lots of sports. Reality sucks!

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 01:37 PM

Oh, for heaven's sake! "Quacks" GAHHH! I have been getting chiropractic treatments off and on for the past 35 years. They have always been good. They have always been helpful. Every chiropractor I've ever gone to (and that's 10 or 15 of them by now) has been great. None has ever hurt me. All of them were very good at what they did and very knowledgable.

I have never in my life heard such an utter load of crap about anything else in the medical field as I have heard from various uninformed people about chiropractors being "quacks".

I want to kick someone when I hear them say it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Amos
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 01:30 PM

There are good oneas and bad ones, as in any practicing field; but they ar enot fiundamentally quacks, and all you need is to have that damn pinch shifted out over two or three visits and you'll know that for yourself.

Treating muscles and bones and nerves as interacting systems is not quackery. NEither is trying to get a body to heal itself as much a spossible rather than be invaded with blades or outside chemistry. 'COurse every tool has its place in the armory; if you have really ruptured a disk, I doubt chiropractic can do much for you, but it sounds miore like a serious dislocation from what you have said. Get someone on it who understands dislocations and how to remedy them. Check out their patients for recommendations if you're worried abotu a bad one. Find a female one if you can, as they tend to be more understanding and approach things in a gentler gradient.
Not always, though.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 01:21 PM

1. Wait until it's really cold and wet outside.
2. Go sit outside until you get pneumonia.

They can cure pneumonia.

Look around here in the mean time.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 01:10 PM

Well, Amos, ol' buddy...

If I could, I'd have to sneak out at night after the P-Vine was asleep 'cause she thinks that they are quacks... I've been to a couple over the years that were... But they ain't all quacks...

That might be my next move...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Amos
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 10:17 AM

Can't you find a decent chiro to unpinch the damn nerve for you? Sheesh!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 09:22 AM

Jeez Sidewalk man, that sucks. Sounds like ya got a long job on ya hands there.
My condolences to the P-Vine, but remind her of the saying that, 'A man chases a woman, until she catches him.' So lay back, take it easy, and get better soon.

Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: artbrooks
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 09:12 AM

Just think...you could be sick AND a Republican - then there'd really be no hope for you! Get better, guy.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 09:02 AM

Just a short update...

This thing really sucks...

After 3 weeks of PT, steroids, anti-imflamatories, stretching, heat pads, ice, prayin', watchin' way too much CNN an' reading ol' Mad magazines I'z still got this pinched nerve...

I can't drive my tractor... I can't shoot my gun... I can't play my geetar... Worst of all, I can't chase the P-Vine around the house...

Like I said, this thing sucks...

Plus, after about 5 minutes at the pudder, I've had enough...

That really sucks...

But other than that it's kinda like the guy who yelled from the 86th story window of the Empire State Building to the man who had just jumped, "How's it going?" and the jumper yelled back, "So far, so good...."

Nevermind...

Crip B~

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 08:45 AM

Of course you're not!

You're going to vote for ME, so that I kin get all them great presidential retirement bennies.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 08:29 AM

Two words, Dougie: absentee ballot...

And, ahhhhh, I know this is going to come to you a a complete shock but I ain't votin' for McWar... Nor Hillary McWar neither...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 12:56 AM

Don't worry, Doug! I'm sure he'll drag himself there for that, no matter how bad a shape he's in...even if he has to crawl to the ballot box. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: DougR
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 12:27 AM

Jeeze, Bobert, nobody told you a Massage Parlor's not the same as a real Chiropractor? No way to compare the services received.

Anyway, I hope you get better real soon. I wouldn't want you to be too infirm to vote for John McCain in the Fall!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 12:17 AM

Why do people here keep talking about chiropractors in relation to Bobert's problems? It was a massage therapist that he went to. Chiropractic and massage therapy are two different disciplines.

Having had both more than a few times, I can tell you that they are very different disciplines...although both of them naturally require having some specialized knowledge about how muscle tension occurs in the body.

I so far know about people who been messed up by treatment from...

chiropractors
regular MDs
surgeons
dentists
radiation therapy
chemotherapy
massage therapy
prescription drugs
psychotherapy
etc...

I also know people who've benefited greatly from most of the above...

(though I can't say for sure about the chemotherapy and the radiation therapy...but there are probably people who figure they've been helped by those too)

Point being: Any form of therapy, no matter how good it is when done right, can sometimes go wrong, because not all practitioners are perfect...and they are not gods. They can make mistakes, just like the rest of us.

I would not, for instance, swear off ALL dentists for the rest of my life because one dentist did a lousy root canal job on me...and I've heard some real horror stories about dentistry gone wrong, let me tell you. Scary stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 11:59 PM

Well, bobert, it must be catchy. I'm headed for physio because I have a dysfunctional SI joint - whatever that is.

Every once in awhile I can't get up from a sitting position because the inside of my hip (pelvis) gets locked. I have to sit back down, twist and pop it back into place. As soon as its back in position, I have no pain.

They say its because my butt is so saggy, that the muscles aren't helping to hold the SI joint in place. So now I have to build up my butt.   

I guess it could be worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert Seriously Messed Up....
From: KT
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 07:38 PM

Aw....take care Beaudear.....thinking healing thoughts your way....
KT