Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Donuel Date: 21 Jul 10 - 07:03 PM Sometimes you don't even have to take somthing out of context. All you need do is frame it differently. I use this example even though there are others that would paint Jesus as truely evil when framed entirely out of context; Jesus Parable on Corporate power and hiring illegal workers: Matt 20:1-16 "For the Kingdom of Heaven is like a man who was the master of a household, who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. When he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. He went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace. To them he said, 'You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.' So they went their way. Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise. About the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle. He said to them, 'Why do you stand here all day idle?' "They said to him, 'Because no one has hired us.' "He said to them, 'You also go into the vineyard, and you will receive whatever is right.' When evening had come, the lord of the vineyard said to his steward, 'Call the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning from the last to the first.' "When those who were hired at about the eleventh hour came, they each received a denarius. When the first came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise each received a denarius. When they received it, they murmured against the master of the household, saying, 'These last have spent one hour, and you have made them equal to us, who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat!' "But he answered one of them, ' Go your way. It is my desire to give to this last just as much as to you. Isn't it lawful for me to do what I want to with what I own? Or is your eye evil, because I am good?' So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few are chosen." |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 06:41 PM sorry, Bruce, but O'Reilly did it BEFORE, and the others just parroted him. The point is that any reputable 'news' organization...like CNN... would be sure it WAS true before reporting it. It might be that they also ran the story even after she was fired in order to embarass the administration.... And it was NOT "Obama" who fired her. You cannot continue to suggest that Obama personally sighn off on everything. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 06:34 PM *I bet Rig would jump at it. Of course Glenn Beck is addicted to the recent superstion of Mormonism, so he has an excuse. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Jul 10 - 06:21 PM BillD, "but STILL be appalled that FOX gave it wide airplay by 4-5 different commentators without checking. " AFTER the Obama administration had fired her- WHEN IT WAS NEWS!! You can't blame Fox for what Obama does first- I will NOT agree that either side has a time machine to go back in the past and change the facts of the matter, as you seem to imply. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Donuel Date: 21 Jul 10 - 06:17 PM "The political paintings of party perspectives all tend to be smear paintings. These smeary paintings add or subtract momentum of the swinging pendulum of public political opinion that eventually sway elections enough so that even the richest minority can divide and conquor the people." quote by: D.H."sayitdon'tsprayit" Mench So rage on with images of President Obama throwing people under speeding buses SPLISH!, or Eisenhower giving a speech on the dangers of a conspiratorial liberal military Industrial Congressional Complex EEK!. These are the very kinds of distortions that Glen Beck relies upon by stating a grain of truth, season it with a sprinkle of corporate religioUS bias and then turn it upside down and backwards before serving. Perhaps you too would forsake fairness, truth and honor for Beck's $30 million a year to go in your pocket. Tell me if the cash offer was valid, that you would not be tempted. *I bet Rig would jump at it. Amos would form an inquiry commitee with 1,000's of attached links. Spaw would take the cash, but spend the money on liberal reform and a profane tell all book. Mousetheif would abjectly refuse it. Bearded Bruce would sulk because he wasn't asked. *'written at the risk of satirical misinterpretation' |
Subject: BS: Fox News falsely accuses Obama appointee From: Genie Date: 21 Jul 10 - 05:24 PM This is not the first time the Obama administration (and the Dems in Congress) have thrown someone under the bus in knee-jerk reaction to some unfounded accusation by Fox or others on the "Right." They did the same thing to ACORN (because of doctored videos, selective reporting of parts of the story, and distortions of the truth) and to one of Obama's first cabinet nominees (whose name I'm blanking on at the moment). George W Bush and the Republicans, either out of loyalty, principle, stubbornness or just plain chutzpah, seemed to stand by "their own" regardless of how valid or how important the accusations made against them. But Obama, like Bill Clinton, seems way too reticent to defend the people and organizations that he has supported and vice versa. Where's the backbone? Where's the loyalty? Where's the intention to get at the truth before reacting? |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 05:01 PM hmmm..... let me think about that... Ok..I thought. I'll take YOUR definition, Greg. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Greg F. Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:56 PM ...a VERY conservative activist whose claim to fame is pushing the edited ACORN tape. Which is to say a propagandist without a shred of ethics or decency and a lying sack of shit. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:55 PM TIA: "Perhaps now that you've gotten the gratuitous Obama dig off your chest you can return to being the impartial observer that you always claim to be and comment on Fox's role." I have railed both about the administration, and the 'News' media...and about corrupt politicians, and bullshit 'political activism',and 'political correctness' and the 'two parties'.......and a few other things, that I'm sure you can think of, being as you've probably been 'offended' by me, more than once!....so don't go picking out something out of context, and try to attack me on some slanted bias....just like Fox New just did!..BOTH of them are either corrupt or inept!! I'm surprised you'd try that on me, being as you just slammed Fox for it....Could it be your double standard?..or just being short sighted??...or maybe you just took your 'gratuitous dig' off your chest, eh? GfS |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:53 PM It is spinning wildly out of control, Mary....I can barely get my lance between the blades. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: SINSULL Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:50 PM Ah Bill. How's that windmill holding up? Much Love, SINS |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:46 PM Bruce...Bill O'Reilly said she should resign BEFORE the White House response OR the NAACP response. "No attempt to look at the facts, and the NAACP, WHICH HAD THE ENTIRE TAPE, pushed for her to be fired." One small branch of the NAACP in Georgia had the original tape when the story broke. They recorded it for their own records.Your comment is how stories get twisted. You make it appear that the **national** NAACP knew all about this. What the hell is wrong with just agreeing for once that some of your favorite right-wing talkers went WAY out on a limb and thus, given the nervous climate, tempted administration officials to rush to judgement? Shame on those officials for being careless...but FOX was the instigator!!! I can agree that Fox didn't do the editing, but STILL be appalled that FOX gave it wide airplay by 4-5 different commentators without checking. CNN just made clear that THEY had the story Monday before noon, but decided they 'might' run it Tuesday because they needed time to properly check it out first! Andrew Breitbart is not a journalist...he is an activist with a website...a VERY conservative activist whose claim to fame is pushing the edited ACORN tape. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:43 PM Which would explain how he got the narrative so right in the end. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: SINSULL Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:38 PM Irony - Breitbart was adopted. His birth father's occupaion was listed as "folksinger". LOL |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:31 PM White House apologizes to ousted Ag worker Mary Clare Jalonick And Ben Evans, Associated Press Writers – 5 mins ago WASHINGTON – An embarrassed White House apologized on Wednesday to a black Agriculture Department employee who was ousted for her remarks about race, saying the administration did not know all the facts when she was fired. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs called the dismissal of Shirley Sherrod an injustice and a mistake and said he was apologizing for the "entire administration." He said Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack was trying to reach her to extend an apology. "I accept the apology," Sherrod said on CNN after watching Gibbs talk to reporters at a televised briefing. But she said the apology took too long and she wasn't sure if she wanted her job back. "I just don't know at this point, I don't know," she said, adding that she would be surprised if Vilsack offered her the job. Gibbs said Obama had been briefed as the situation developed. "He talked about the fact that a disservice had been done, an injustice had happened and, because the facts had changed, a review of the decision based on those facts should be taken," Gibbs said. Sherrod has said she submitted her resignation under pressure from the White House. The Agriculture Department says it was Vilsack's decision alone. Sherrod was asked by department officials to resign on Monday after conservative bloggers posted a video of her saying she didn't initially give a white farmer as much help as she could have 24 years ago, when she was working for a farmers' aid group. Sherrod says she used the story in her speech to the NAACP to promote racial reconciliation and that the edited video distorted her remarks. After a video of her full speech was posted online by the NAACP, the White House called the Agriculture Department about the case Tuesday night and it was agreed that her ouster should be reviewed. Gibbs said people in the administration and outside of it acted without all the facts. "We now have a more complete set of facts," he said. The White House is facing strong criticism over the case, which marks a stumble for both the Obama administration and the NAACP. Both reversed their positions after initially condemning Sherrod's remarks based on the video first released Monday night. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: mousethief Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:30 PM The White House has shown that it considers political advantage to be more important than a person's career, Valerie Plame, anyone? |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:59 PM 1. the editing was not by Fox 2. the White House told her to resign BEFORE the Fox show that would supposedly have shown the tape ( which it did not). No attempt to look at the facts, and the NAACP, WHICH HAD THE ENTIRE TAPE, pushed for her to be fired. The White House has shown that it considers political advantage to be more important than a person's career, and it would rather do what is expedient than what is right. Since this was NOT edited or shown by Fox, I suspect I should insist that the thread title be changed to not be a blatent political lie. But that might be too much to ask. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: mousethief Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:21 PM You're just bein' a maverick, ainchoo. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Alice Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:14 PM I think, also, too my reputement was misunderestimated, ya know. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: SINSULL Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:06 PM The Tea Party isn't racist, Alice. Its members are. A whole different thing. I insist you refudiate that statement. heh heh |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Alice Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:02 PM Ms. Sherrod speaking at the banquet was "testifying" her story, she was teaching a moral lesson, and the audience was not showing racism in their response. The right wing is grasping at straws to try to justify the racist signs, billboards and banners of the president that have been marched about by the tea party. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:54 PM He was talking about the organization, at least, that's what he says. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Alice Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:47 PM He (the guy who edited the video to mislead) did not prove anyone was racist. I just watched a live split screen on CNN of Shirley Sherrod watching the Gibbs press conference where the press secretary had to answer questions about what happened with the rush to judgment based on the misleading video of Ms. Sherrod. When Gibbs apologized on behalf of the administration, she finally smiled. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:39 PM In any event, he proved they were as racist as anyone else, which was his point. The larger point is, there are more important things to worry about than race. The election of Obama made this argument irrelevant. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Alice Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:31 PM Here is part of the NAACP statement in the news release after they viewed the entire speech given by Ms. Sherrod: "...Next time we are confronted by a racial controversy broken by Fox News or their allies in the Tea Party like Mr. Breitbart, we will consider the source and be more deliberate in responding. The tape of Ms. Sherrod's speech at an NAACP banquet was deliberately edited to create a false impression of racial bias, and to create a controversy where none existed..." full press release CLICK HERE |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bobert Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:28 PM BTW, Rigs, ain't like Judith Miller went out of her way to lie... She, just like the editors of every major newspaper in the country, didn't have the balls to stand up the the Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz/Pearle/Rove BIGASS LIE WAR MACHINE... Name me one editor who did any different... None did... Not the Washinton Post... Not the Chicago Tribune... Not the LA Times... None of them did... Miller ain't in the same league with this current batch of pathological right winged olympic quality LIARS... Not even close... B~ |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bobert Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:22 PM I would challenge any rightie here or anywhere to find one single lie that Rachael Maddow or Keith Olberman have told on their shows... Come on, lets get real... We know who the friggin' *liars* are and where to find 'um: FOX!!! And that is the real deal... The right feels vulnerable and so it's got the BIGASS LIE machine redlined these days... Thery want to get their boys back in power so their boys can better protect the wealthy from the masses... B~ |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:27 PM "NO news source on the left twists the truth anything like as much as Fox..." Yes, they do, and worse in some cases. Think Judith Miller and the New York Times in the ramp-up to invade Iraq. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: kendall Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:09 PM And the man she helped stands by her. What's that worth? |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Alice Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:00 PM Here is a link to the full speech on video. I followed this news story from early yesterday morning when the farmer's wife called CNN and told them the initial report was wrong, that Shirley had actually HELPED them SAVE their farm. By last night, the full video speech and interviews with Shirley and the elderly farm couple and apology from the NAACP were on CNN. http://www.naacp.org/news/entry/video_sherrod/ |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: mousethief Date: 21 Jul 10 - 12:46 PM The news in America is the news. Fox is just one side of a two headed coin. Nope, sorry, that dog won't hunt. NO news source on the left twists the truth anything like as much as Fox. Saying "the left does it too" is not fair and balanced. Yes the news from the left is slanted. A little. Nothing LIKE Fox. Saying "the left does it too" is implying they do it to the same extent. It's more of the same lies. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 12:43 PM here's the original story which started it all Here's one exposé of it. search on "Andrew Breitbart and get dozens of his. Here's Rachel Maddows take on it |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Joe Offer Date: 21 Jul 10 - 12:33 PM Can anybody find links to videos on this story? I'm on the road, and my time and tech capacity are limited. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Donuel Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:19 AM I believe one could take a parable of Jesus out of context to the extent that his remarks would appear so hateful and evil that God and Holy ghost would both ask Jesus to resign. While the devil laughed his ass off. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Donuel Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:10 AM crap I will proof read next time. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:01 AM The news in America is the news. Fox is just one side of a two headed coin. It takes a lot more effort to get at the truth. You can't get the whole truth from either side. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: SINSULL Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:59 AM "Breitbart, meantime, has destoryed any credibility he may have had. " I love that typo! |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Donuel Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:37 AM She was not fired yet she serves as serves as another example that Fox, Brightman and Drudge editing if video out of context can not and should not be mistaken for journalism. Federal law allows anyone who is asked to resign to have a hearing. This lady could have stood her ground and asked for a hearing. It was announced that the White House has urged Vilsack to review and correct any mistakes that were made yesterday. Glen Beck has filled the shoes of a contemporary Joseph McCarthy and will in time become an evangelist who will speak for God in the most loathsome paranoid shades of fear by turning truth around 180 degrees. The Glen Beck stories of Black Panthers seeking to kill white cracker babies is another example of the hateful race baiting happening today on FOX. If I were to illustrate the Beck claim I would draw a child, feeding baby crackers to the Panther at the Zoo, this image would be more factual than Glen Beck's rage over "reverse racism". (Reverse racism is something I do not believe in since the word racism encompasses the entire idiocy of hate all by itself) Down on the farm we had a saying for victims of hateful attacks. "Even a dog knows when it gets kicked on purpose" We are all being stepped on by the trans national syndicated propoganda machine called Fox and its minions like Glen, Kelly, Michelle and Rush. The key to all successful propoganda is emotion. The average human will not notice two people speaking politely to one another, but inject a couple who are screaming or crying and every fiber of your being alerts all of your attention to the emotional disturbance in order to weigh the possibility of your own safety being jeopardized by the belligerant angry arguing couple, even if they are only actors with little talent. Hitler's slow rise to emotional intensity during his rallies is the obvious model for this phenomenon. There is a defense against this kind of mind control. There is still the remote possibility that the administration will fight this propoganda fire with truthful fire. But again after writing here for 10 years, I have repeated myself. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Greg F. Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:33 AM ...that is not an exact quote, and I have seen that quote also attributed to Henry Ford and P.T. Barnum... PEDANT ALERT !!! Well, Bill- you get the general idea, dontcha? Suppose it depends on which reference - Bartletts, etc. - you consult. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bobert Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:21 AM Yeah, Obama seems to let FOX have way too much power... I think he oughtta just admit that the same rabid 20% who ended up being Bush suypporters as the economy was collapsing around us are going to be with US perminently... They will not change under any circumstance... They are like those Japanese soldiers who refused to accept the war was over and gholed up in various Pacific islands... I mean, Obama should ignore the ent6ire bunch... B~ |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: SINSULL Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:16 AM Slander? Libel? And she is making them crawl. Sherrod claims she may not feel comfortable working at the Agriculture Department. Once again, none of this has any bearing on what is best for the American people. Just jump at the chance to make he other guy look bad. Other guy reacts and covers ass. Shame on the Obama Administration for knee jerk reactions instead of taking a breath and investigating. Breitbart, meantime, has destoryed any credibility he may have had. FOX never had any to begin with. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Maryrrf Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:14 AM Fox News is usually on at the gym when I'm on the excercise bike, and it's so awful I can't stop looking at it and marvelling in disbelief at how this right wing propaganda machine passes itself off as news. It's a disgrace and I would not take anything reported on Fox as remotely true without verifying it through other means. Obama probably did act hastily. But I'm sure he feels very much under assault by these strident extremists who have managed to gather a following. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:14 AM Actually, it wasn't Fox News this time. It was posted by an organization that calls itself BigGovernment.com The NAACP went after her. She said nobody in the administration would listen, and now Jesse Jackson is out there trying to grab headlines in the aftermath. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:05 AM ""No one ever went broke underestimating the taste or intelligence of the American people." - H.L. Mencken" ummm-Greg.... especially since that is not an exact quote, and I have seen that quote also attributed to Henry Ford and P.T. Barnum...and maybe others. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:55 AM "...the NAACP chimed right in damning the woman ..." But the NAACP spent hours apologizing yeaterday...both the the woman and to the public in general... for not checking out the story first. NAACP president Benjanin Jealous was on TV, on several programs, telling the world that this should be an object lesson about how to respond to such stories. Everyone was so anxious to be politically correct about racism, that they acted before thinking. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: kendall Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:40 AM Just one lie after another. Fair and balanced my fat Aunt Harriet. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bobert Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:35 AM Sad commentary on the state of our nation... Seems that the right wing is so well financed and has so much access to what used to be "publicly owned" airwaves to spread propaganda that it can keep the country in a constant state of aggitation... I mean, there are righties being paid big corporate lobby money just to invent BIGASS LIES and distortions... The right makes Moveon.com look like choir boys... Too well funded... I doubt if the brownshirts were this well funded... But, looks as if Obama will try to get Ms. Sherrod her job back over the next several days... That is, if she'll take the job back which is now a different story... B~ |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Greg F. Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:29 AM Now THIS one might get Fox News and one specific conservative into real trouble. That is such scurrilous, crappy reporting and lying that it may backfire totally. Forlorn hope. "No one ever went broke underestimating the taste or intelligence of the American people." - H.L. Mencken |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: SINSULL Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:25 AM From the story I read yesterday, the NAACP chimed right in damning the woman for her prejudcie. Be interesting to see where this goes. |
Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama... From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:25 AM I think Andrew Breitbart did the editing....Fox News simply took it and ran with it, never bothering to check it out (after all, it looked SO delicious a scandal to hang on Obama!) Now THIS one might get Fox News and one specific conservative into real trouble. That is such scurrilous, crappy reporting and lying that it may backfire totally. |