BS: Counselors on same sex marriage

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 08:40 PM

And while browsing some of these articles, I ran across THIS!

A couple of people here are going to howl like they sat on a hot stove!!

(Snicker snicker).

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 07:51 PM

All through the Prop 8 thread I am citing bulletins from the American Psychiatric Association (Clicky #1) and several articles in Psychology Today (Clicky #2) and a number of other such authoritative, scientific sources. Goofball screamed and spit and kicked the wall and swore up and down these were not scientific, and had been prompted by the "political agenda of loony liberals" (!!).

NOW, if I understand his rather opaque prose, he seems to be trying to claim that I "admitted" that these scientific sources are "politically biased!"

Where in the hell did I say anything like THAT!??

And this—person—claims that he is a family counselor!

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And then there is THIS most interesting article from Scientific American! Makes fascinating reading in the context of these threads on gay marriage and the motivation of those who oppose it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 03:57 PM

Goofball, what you're trying to say I said is so garbled and mush-mouthed, I can't figure out what you're trying to say I said, but whatever it is, it's bound to be a major distortion. You chronically try to twist what I say to suit your own purposes, but there are intelligent people on these threads who know right off what you're doing, That is, if they bother to read your crappola at all!

I have stated my position on this issue and I have stated my reasons, scientific and social. My position is clear and well-known. So why don't you stop making a complete ass of yourself (actually, you're too late for that) by perpetually misquoting me?

Or perhaps my writing is so far above your head that you don't understand what I'm saying.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 02:32 PM

""GfS: "Don, As I posted in an earlier post, political pressure was applied to get the medical community, and its training, in the professions, to change homosexuality from a dysfunction, ..."P.S...Don, those pressures, I spoke of, on my prior post, just to clarify, were done in the mid seventies."""

That's the rather inconvenient thing about science.

Because scientists are always willing to change their conclusions when new evidence suggests a need for such change, they do tend to leave bigots (who by definition ignore all that militates aginst their idee fixe) rather floundering in their wake.

A lot of new evidence has surfaced in the nearly forty years since the mid 1970s and your information is well out of date.

Knowledge, for instance, of DNA and genetics generally, is a quantum leap ahead of where it was back then, but you and your preferred sources of arrant nonsense haven't caught on, or caught up, and it is unlikely that you ever will.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 02:24 PM

But to flesh that out, there is no more a scientific reason for or against gay marriage than there is a musical one. It is a completely irrelevant mechanism for deciding the issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 02:00 PM

TIA, I have no problem with marriage rights at all, straight or gay.

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 01:40 PM

So, DMcG you would then agree that there is no *scientific* reason to deny marriage rights?

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 01:25 PM

Hmm. I wonder if anal or oral sex might have got there first!

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Megan L
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 08:55 AM

same sex coitus the earliest form of birth control

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 07:54 AM

I've nothing against same-sex marriage myself, but it seems a bit of a category error to look for scientific arguments for or against. For or against sexual activity, maybe, but 'marriage' is a social construct, not a scientific one, whether homo- or hetro-

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 06:34 AM

""GfS: "For anyone's information ONLY.02% got that??..2/10,000, are born, with a gene that is claimed by 97% of homosexuals claim they are born with, that makes them 'unable' to be attracted to the opposite sex, and in fact, gives them the 'attributes' of being a female being trapped in a male body, and vice versa!!" ""

Good old Goofie! Straight in with both feet in his mouth, showing all and sundry that he doesn't know the difference between "homosexual" and "transexual" (""gives them the 'attributes' of being a female being trapped in a male body, and vice versa!!"")

More evidence of the triumph of bigotry over knowledge!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 05:44 AM

..while I was looking I found these tidbits:


GfS: "For anyone's information ONLY.02% got that??..2/10,000, are born, with a gene that is claimed by 97% of homosexuals claim they are born with, that makes them 'unable' to be attracted to the opposite sex, and in fact, gives them the 'attributes' of being a female being trapped in a male body, and vice versa!!"

Dinko Firth: "Since it may very well have a genetic component, that means that discrimination against folks with same-sex orientation is like discrimination against people with blue eyes, or different shaped eyes, or differently shaded skin.
It is a civil rights issue."

"Since it may very well have a genetic component...." ...How about establishing a little beyond, "it may very well"....

GfS: "Don, As I posted in an earlier post, political pressure was applied to get the medical community, and its training, in the professions, to change homosexuality from a dysfunction, ..."P.S...Don, those pressures, I spoke of, on my prior post, just to clarify, were done in the mid seventies."


...and by the way, "..."There is no valid scientific basis for denying same-sex couples the right to legal marriage, or to deprive them of considerable benefits of the institution, according to legal briefs filed with the U.S. Supreme Court by the American Psychological Association and other leading mental health associations."

"American Psychological Association and other leading mental health associations."..BEHAVIORAL!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 02:04 AM

...and when I do...will YOU shut the fuck up???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 12:21 AM

Lying as usual, Goofball.

Find the specific post where I said that and post a link to it, or shut the hell up.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest form Sanity
Date: 02 Mar 13 - 11:21 PM

Yeah...i remember in the early to mid '70's, when the funding and grants were coming in, to most of those groups, and the tune was beginning to change. Don Firth even acknowledged that in the prop 8 thread.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Mar 13 - 03:41 PM

Case closed!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Wesley S
Date: 02 Mar 13 - 01:05 PM

I'll get the popcorn!

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 Mar 13 - 12:44 PM

Not a single one with a political axe to grind.

Just medical professionals and genuine Counsellors and Social workers, every one with a string of real qualifications.

That about wraps up the argument.

It's good to see!

Don T.

Subject: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: TIA
Date: 02 Mar 13 - 12:14 PM

From Science Daily:

"There is no valid scientific basis for denying same-sex couples the right to legal marriage, or to deprive them of considerable benefits of the institution, according to legal briefs filed with the U.S. Supreme Court by the American Psychological Association and other leading mental health associations."

"The briefs cite empirical scientific evidence that demonstrate that "homosexuality is a normal expression of human sexuality, is generally not chosen and is highly resistant to change." Likewise, "there is no scientific basis for concluding that gay and lesbian parents are any less fit or capable than heterosexual parents, or that their children are any less psychologically healthy and well-adjusted," according to the briefs."

"Joining APA in filing the Windsor and Perry briefs were: the American Academy of Pediatrics; American Medical Association; California Medical Association; American Psychiatric Association; American Psychoanalytic Association; and National Association of Social Workers. Also joining the Windsor brief were: the New York City and New York state chapters of the National Association of Social Workers and the New York State Psychological Association. Also joining the Perry brief were the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy; the California Chapter of NASW and the California Psychological Association."


Science Daily