BS: New Canuck internut laws

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: Beer
Date: 21 Jun 09 - 12:20 AM

Now there is a thought Gnu. Great idea. Bring the hammer down God damn it.
I'm not kidding. I think that a hard time to these cowards would be welcomed.
Adrien

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 09 - 06:44 PM

I got a better idea for the asshole politicians/thieves who need to get their names in the paper?


How's about we increase penalties for crimes against seniors?

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: meself
Date: 20 Jun 09 - 04:42 PM

"The once revered RCMP have been shown to be self serving liars at the upper levels."

Some of them. And, sadly, some of them at the lower levels as well. It's not fair to tar them all with the same brush. However, your point stands: collectively, they have lost much of the high regard they once claimed among Canadians.

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Jun 09 - 03:53 PM

"So, how about they start stopping your car on the street and searching it for sommat to pass the time?"

They used to do that to me and my long-haired musician friends regularly back in the 70s on the streets of Toronto. No bad behaviour was required on our part. No violations of civil law. We just had to be there and have long hair. Period.

A police state is always just the blink of an eye away in modern society. All that is required is that you be considered "undesirable" for some reason in the minds of those who have the power....and they WILL take away your rights and freedoms. All it takes is the political and the police will to do it.

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 09 - 03:50 PM

BTW... as far as people making friends over the internut with murderers, maybe they shouldn't do that.

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 09 - 03:46 PM

Ahhh... you don't have a problem with police intercepting internet comms (like tapping your phone) without a warrant?

So, how about they start stopping your car on the street and searching it for sommat to pass the time?

What about coming to your house late at night and searching it? Maybe to ensure the safety of any children who might be in extreme peril?

You trust the police that much that you would put your life and your family in their hands?

The late 1930s don't mean shit to you? Stalin? McCarthy? Bush? Harper?

It's insane!

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 20 Jun 09 - 03:03 PM

The problem is that police would be able to do this without a warrent. They already can do any of the above if it is approved by a judge. The police themselves have little public trust in Canada, of late. The once revered RCMP have been shown to be self serving liars at the upper levels. Other forces fare little better in the public view. That is too bad because most serving members are honest and dedicated. However they seem unable to eliminate the rot in the system and have violated the public trust.

Canada's Shame

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 20 Jun 09 - 12:57 AM

Let's see.

The proposed legislation would:


-enable police to access information on an Internet subscriber, such as name, street address and email address, without having to get a search warrant.

People have been able to do this with phone numbers for years. What's the big deal?


-force Internet service providers to freeze data on their hard drives to prevent subscribers under investigation from deleting potentially important evidence.

How does this differ from blocking off a crime scene or taking the books of a suspect business?


-require telecommunications companies to invest in technology that allows for the interception of Internet communications.

Sounds unfair to the companies. Idea is too vague.


-allow police to remotely activate tracking devices already embedded in cellphones and certain cars, to help with investigations.

Where I live, the body of a murder victim which had been left in deep woods was found this way. No doubt her murderer wished it hadn't.

However, this needs to be used carefully. More details are needed.


-allow police to obtain data about where Internet communications are coming from and going to.

This is awfully vague. Needs work. However, near where I live, a brutal woman made friends with a pregnant woman over the Internet. The brutal woman went to the pregnant woman's house, killed her, slit open her body, and stole away her tiny daughter. Law enforcement solved the crime in a few days by tracking back Internet communications. The child was restored to her family.

If the police are not allowed to track Internet communications, how can they investigate crime where the Internet is used?



-make it a crime to arrange with a second person over the Internet the sexual exploitation of a child.

Ya'll have a problem with this? I don't.

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 09:25 PM

No ... but they have a SJ equivalent near there called El Pittial.

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 09:04 PM

They got a Brunswick Centre in Puerto Vallarta?

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 08:16 PM

In fact they do gnu ... right on King street, across from the Brunswick Centre ... actually is very nice ... much different that the regular Tim's.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 07:58 PM

Have tehy got Casa des Tim's down there?

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 07:57 PM

Well, if Reggie's had the ambiannce... like wehen the Vallartans eat there, it would even out, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 07:24 PM

I prefer French Toast myself ..... did I ever tell ya about Reggie's Diner here in Saint John ... best damned French Toast I ever had, next to The Casa Villas in Puerto Vallarta.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 07:22 PM

I like pancakes.

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 04:28 PM

We're nice in public, Rapaire. But behind closed doors? Well, that's when the toques come off, by gosh! That's when the wooly mittens come off, and the maple syrup flows like water!

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 10:32 AM

Oh chr&st ... don't get me goin about corrupt, hypocritical, out of touch politicans. Regarless of nationality.

"Politics is the only field in which the more experience you have, the worse you get. "
.... Kinky Friedman

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 09:27 AM

Adultery? Drunkeness? The use of illegal drugs?

Aren't we talking about Canadians??? They're just too nice to do those things.

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 12:21 AM

"Do you think any of them have ever committed adultery?"

You bet I do! ;-) I bet half of them have. Maybe more than half of them.

"Do you think any of them have ever got stoned?"

Damn right I think so. A lot of them probably get drunk too, which is basically the same thing.

"Do you think that any of them if married ever spend any time with their children?"

Yes....but quite likely not enough time...

"Do you think that any of them knows or have lived through poverty?"

I'd guess that a mere handful of them have done that. Like 1 percent of them, maybe.

No, Beer, I don't think they're quite as detached in their habits from the rest of us as you imagine, but I'll meet you halfway on it. Yeah, most of them probably have grown up not lacking much in a material sense. It's been my experience, however, that wealthy Canadians commit far MORE moral indiscretions than the rest of us do. They feel "entitled" by birth to enjoying that kind of fun, you see...there's NO one worse (in general) than the sons of the rich, let me tell you! I used to know a collection of those lads in Toronto.

It was like that in ancient Rome too. No one practiced gross immorality with quite the panache and enthusiasm and frequency that the wealthy classes did. That didn't stop them from posing as great defenders of morality when making public speeches, of course...or when enacting laws to police "the mob". ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: Beer
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 11:04 PM

I often wondered about folks that are in positions of power. I don't mean the leaders. They are the puppets. I mean the bureaucrats that sit in meeting's and come up with shit like this. Here is the question. Do you think any of them have ever committed adultery? Do you think any of them have ever got stoned? Do you think that any of them if married ever spend any time with their children? Do you think that any of them knows or have lived through poverty?
My answer to this is "NO"
Hell if any of them ever went to bed with a hang over they would feel guilty until they retired. What a bunch of space cadets. Oh!, now there is a thought? Maybe, just maybe they are from........no, can't be.
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 10:38 PM

If the bastards in Ottawa were serious about fighting crime they would put criminals in jail. Instead they give em house arrest without any supervision. If they violate the house arrest terms give them more house time to be served concurrent. If you do put them behind bars you HAVE to let them go after serving 2/3 of the sentence. If they murder some innocent citizen let them plea bargain to manslaughter. The idiots who write these innane laws never stop! Now they want to violate civil rights to make it easier to catch some arsehole who they will only let go anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 07:21 PM

Code 99.

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: bobad
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 07:20 PM

Don't give up on the OPP too fast 3refs, I bet they're at Tim Horton's working on your case right now.

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 05:21 PM

I hear you.

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: 3refs
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 05:19 PM

From my cold dead hands!

I get stiffed for a $74.00 fare on Monday night, and for the first time in 29 years of driving a cab, I do "the right thing". Just to be clear, I could have stomped this guy and not increased my heart rate, but no, I call the Ontario Provincial Police. Call it what you will, maturity, old age, think before you act. Who knows? NEVER, NEVER AGAIN!!! I'll deal with it my way!
It was one of the greatest acts of futility I've committed in years!

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 04:48 PM

IMO, they can get permission from the courts on a case-by-case basis. This is an idea that could only have come from someone like Stockwell Day. Jaysus, Joseph and Mary.

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 04:45 PM

We got motorcycle gangs and "organized crime" running girls, guns and drugs under their noses and they can't get that sorted. But they want to listen in on the internuts?

Is a recorded telecon admissible in a Canuck court of law?

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: jeffp
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 04:37 PM

Of course! For government, read taxpayers.

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: bobad
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 04:35 PM

Typical Conservative agenda, pander to the uninformed constituency that crime is rampant and they need all these tools to combat it, when in fact statistics show that the crime rate is decreasing. Aren't there more important problems to be addressing, like the economy for instance? The sooner we get rid of these bums the better.

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 04:25 PM

And the government is going to pay for all that, right?

Subject: RE: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 04:15 PM

The police in this country have done fuck all about hate groups. I suppose the bastards in Ottawa are looking for an easy way to circumvent the law in order to enforce the law. Yeah, right.

Subject: BS: New Canuck internut laws
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 03:52 PM

Hmmmmmmmm.