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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: Beer Date: 01 Sep 09 - 10:50 PM ClaireBear, When you hear the cardinal sing you will immediately know that something different is taking place. I guess what I mean is that if you follow birds in any way you will recognize that a new specie is hanging around. ad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: Beer Date: 01 Sep 09 - 10:46 PM Well I am finding this to be getting very interesting. I went to Maeve's second try and followed this to many other You Tube video's and have come up with not one that captures the sound that the Cardinal is making that I am referring to. I do have a digital camera but not sure if I know how to record a video let along get it downloaded on You Tube. But I must try because you all deserve to know the particular sound that I am referring to. Ad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: maeve Date: 01 Sep 09 - 09:45 PM Northern Cardinal song, 2nd try Hmmm, it was working. I used the Link Maker, Laurel. Thanks for letting me know it didn't take. This one seems to have retained everything. maeve |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: open mike Date: 01 Sep 09 - 06:44 PM that you tube link.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pNQ3as6wDM the blickie did not work because you did not put http:// in front of it.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: CarolC Date: 01 Sep 09 - 03:20 PM I've definitely noticed that about Cardinals. If I don't see them before I hear them, it usually takes me a little while to locate them, especially the females, since their color is more subtle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: maeve Date: 01 Sep 09 - 02:00 PM I'm glad you enjoyed thatty song. I find it easy to spot a singing Cardinal when it's out in the open. Adrien's situation is a bit different, involving different calls. Also bear (LOL) in mind that, unusual in the world of songbirds here, both male and female Northern Cardinals sing. Maryland should be a good place for seeing them, even in the fall. maeve |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: ClaireBear Date: 01 Sep 09 - 01:56 PM Beautiful! Thank you. I wonder if there will be any cardinals in Maryland at Getaway time? Now that I know what to listen for, I might actually be able to spot one...just have to remember to look in the opposite direction to where the sound's coming from -- right? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: maeve Date: 01 Sep 09 - 01:52 PM Oh well, Adrien/Beer is that sort of fellow. Just for you, ClaireBear: Singing Northern Cardinal, YouTube maeve |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: ClaireBear Date: 01 Sep 09 - 11:54 AM I am intensely jealous of people who wake to the subtleties of ventriloquist cardinals -- I wake to a cacophony of Steller's jays, and I don't know that I've ever even seen a cardinal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: maeve Date: 01 Sep 09 - 10:27 AM Great, Adrien. Now all we have to do is verify it elsewhere and you can write an article for Audubon or Birdwatcher magazine. This is really interesting! maeve |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: Beer Date: 01 Sep 09 - 09:52 AM Well I had a real good listen early this morning and I would have to say that this specie can throw it's voice. ad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: ClaireBear Date: 31 Aug 09 - 06:51 PM Why, I wonder, do I suddenly feel compelled to brace myself for a thread entitled "Cardinals with tits." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: Jim Dixon Date: 31 Aug 09 - 06:40 PM Sound localization is a complicated subject. It is easy to be fooled about which direction a sound is coming from, even if the bird isn't doing anything special to fool you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: maeve Date: 31 Aug 09 - 01:26 PM From the Homeport site above to which Beer referred:"...the Swainson's Warbler is in fact not uncommon in the proper habitat. Typically it is found in bottomland thickets, especially with greenbrier (Smilax) and grape vine undergrowth or canebrakes; a good place to find it is in the Pearl River Wildlife Managment Area along old U.S. 11 in the Honey Island swamp. Its song, with apologies, is a "whee, whee, whee, church is free...", quite similar to that of the Louisiana Waterthrush, which breeds in rather similar habitat, but has a very different ending. The song is loud and sweet and carries well, but it also seems to be ventriloquial. " No connection to the Northern Cardinal, but another example of carefully observed examples of a similar effect as that about which you are wondering. I do know how to spell and when to use "whether" as opposed to "weather" or "wether", despite evidence to the contrary at 11:52. :) m |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: Beer Date: 31 Aug 09 - 01:21 PM First site is interesting but not the sounds of the adults which is what I have been hearing. Thanks Maeve for all your help. ad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: Beer Date: 31 Aug 09 - 01:16 PM Maeve, This is all I could find on the second site : "SWAINSON'S THRUSH (Catharus ustulatus) Common to abundant migrant Generally this species is the most common of the migrant thrushes; it is also the one most likely to be heard singing during spring migration. The song is a set of rising, flute-like notes, usually given soto voce during migration. On occasion, these thrushes are present by the hundreds in the coastal woods. There are three startling winter records, both on Venice Christmas Counts, and in each case great care was taken to make sure that the bird was not a Hermit Thrush". But there is so much on the site that I could easily have missed it. ad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: maeve Date: 31 Aug 09 - 12:25 PM http://www.musicofnature.org/fledglings/ Fledgling calls, including Northern Cardinal This is the site containing the follow up for Hope Batcheller's research projsct linked above. It might be interesting to compare to adult calls. I also stumbled across this site with Near the bottom of the page I found this: "125. ...brilliant scarlet tanager hunts caterpillars, periodically breaking into song... Because the bird is something of a ventriloquist, one that sounds far away could be directly overhead. Walk past the point from which you perceive the sound to be emanating, then look up. With luck you will see this brilliant scarlet-and-black summer singer." Swainson's thrush is described as being ventriloquial here http://homeport.tcs.tulane.edu/~danny/seal.html . Seems there's at least a reasonable possibility you are observing a similar effect with the local Northern Cardinals. maeve |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: maeve Date: 31 Aug 09 - 11:52 AM I understood it to mean the fledglings she had been studying, Adrien, all 37 of which are listed at the end of the piece. The Northern Cardinal is on the list. The article, for those who haven't time to click on the above link, was "Fledgling Vocalizations of New England Landbirds" by Hope Batcheller. It was a paper written for the Vermont Institute of Natural Science Environmental Science Research Fellowship Program. No argument that you saw and heard cardinals, by the way. The question I had was weather you heard one cardinal while seeing another. :) I'll keep searching. maeve |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: Beer Date: 31 Aug 09 - 11:34 AM No Maeve, it wasn't a different bird. Not to put a feather in my cap but I really don't have to see many birds any more to identify their songs or calls. The only one that(not really the only one.)still fools me at times is the catbird. They are great at imitating other species. Especially the cat.. Great article by the way. To bad he didn't spend more time explaining his his statement which was: "Expert ventriloquists, they are extremely difficult to locate; a trait which presumably helps them evade predators." He doesn't mention which bird he was referring to though. Adrien |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: maeve Date: 31 Aug 09 - 07:54 AM I found this, Adrien: Reference to fledglings and ventriloquism here I also wonder if the bird you heard might have been a different individual from the bird you saw. maeve |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: maeve Date: 31 Aug 09 - 07:02 AM Northern Cardinal by Gary Ritchison I checked the link above and the classic Stokes Nature Guide to Bird Behavior this morning. Both indicate that the chirp call tends to function as a locator call for individual cardinals to keep in touch wth one another. It's described as making it easy to locate the bird. Similar information is found here "Northern Cardinals produce a variety of different calls, with each call serving a different function. The "chip" call, having a metallic like quality, is the most frequent. It is used singularly and repeated slowly to allow cardinals to locate each other, and is repeated quickly to indicate alarm. They are also used to signal aggression, the volume and rate of calling indicating the level of the aggression. " I'll keep looking. maeve |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: Beer Date: 30 Aug 09 - 11:50 PM leeneia, The Cardinals which hang around our property are very well aware of us and are becoming braver and braver. When I hear the male in a distance I can make the same call (whistle) and after 4 or 5 times I will have the male circling around me about 30/40 feet away. I don't think that I am alarming them. Quit often they don't even know that I am observing their movements. Janie, great observation.But no. The same occurs at the front,side and back of the house. Adrien |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: Janie Date: 30 Aug 09 - 11:10 PM I wonder, is there anything about the accoustics around your yard that could account for it? Buildings or a carport, or propane or fuel oil tanks, for example, that could affect where it seems the sound is originating? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: Janie Date: 30 Aug 09 - 11:08 PM I've not noticed that, Beer, but will start paying close attention. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Aug 09 - 09:52 PM The Amerian robin also uses that alarm cheep. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 30 Aug 09 - 09:04 PM Hello, Adrien. About your original question - can a cardinal throw its voice? I read a book once which mentioned that a bird's alarm cheer is a short, high-pitched sound, and it is difficult for a predator to tell where it comes from. I suspect the bird you saw was either alarmed by you or was cheeping to keep track of another cardinal. It would be hard to tell where either call came from. (I have often heard the sharp 'cheep' by which an adult cardinal and a young one keep in touch.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: open mike Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:20 PM that's rockies as in rocky mt. and here is the site where i found the cardinal info posted above http://elibrary.unm.edu/sora/Wilson/v085n04/p0506-p0512.html http://www.statesymbolsusa.org/IMAGES/Virginia/cardinal_byOwnby1.jpg the cardinal is the "state bird" of several (7) states in U.S. http://www.statesymbolsusa.org/Lists/state_birds_list.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: open mike Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:12 PM i remember their call--sounds like curtsy-eh or pursie hay... the do not live west of the rackies as far as i know although i have heard of someone in a remote southern calif. canyon introducing some form the mid-west, and rumor has it that there is an isolated population of these birds from this. this from a report on feral and exotic birds in California: Cardinal (Cardinalis cardinali s).--Comaion, as a small breeding population in riparian thicket on both sides of the San Gabriel River in the Whittier Narrows area (including especially the Nature Preserve of the County of Los Angeles), near South E1 Monte, California. According to Grinnell and Miller (1944) Cardinals of various races have been repeatedly introduced into southern California beginning in 1880. The present self- sustaining population was first reported by Henderson (1925) and its probably mixed racial origin discussed by Michener and Michener (1938). A brief study of the birds was undertaken by Koay-Chee Lee, a student at Occidental College in spring, 1972. From Lee's studies, the estimated population of breeding birds seemed no more than 20 pairs in a total area comprising approximately 200 acres. The population seems to be stable in recent years. Some movements in and out of the breeding zone have been reported by several observers, but apparent movements may represent varying degrees of secretiveness and vocalization by the birds. Nesting activity begins in April and all nests with eggs have been found in May. The nesting habitat and the habits of tile birds bear a strong resemblance to those of the species in the midwestern United States, according to my observations. Observations of individual Cardinals are annually made elsewhere in the Los Angeles basin, especially in suburban areas adjacent to those occupied by the breeders, suggesting that these sightings represent stragglers from the established population. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: gnu Date: 30 Aug 09 - 03:35 PM What about a camcorder... worth a shot. No pun intended. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: Beer Date: 30 Aug 09 - 03:22 PM I know this sounds weird but I'm going to be following this idea a lot closer. I searched on the web but came up empty. Maybe I am imagining things. Adrien |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 29 Aug 09 - 10:34 PM Haven't experienced that, but it has been a long time since I lived where they occur. I don't really remember. I was surprised to see them in Hawai'i (Oahu), where escapees from cages have taken up residence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: maeve Date: 29 Aug 09 - 09:17 PM What an intriguing question, Adrien! I'll have to think about it. maeve |
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Subject: BS: Cardinals (as in Birds) From: Beer Date: 29 Aug 09 - 08:35 PM I have been a bird watcher/listener since 13 when I joined the Nova Scotia Bird Watching Society. Something happened about 6 years ago that has again perked my interest. That beautiful Red bird has taken permanent residence (summer and winter) in my back yard. In fact I now see many before they take off to some other area. There is something however that has been puzzling me. When I hear the low sort of chirp it makes I always look in the wrong direction. In fact it takes me a spell before I can locate it. This morning I opened the back door and heard him and immediately looked on the ground where he was feeding. However his chirp was in the opposite direction. The question I guess is......Have any of you experienced this with Cardinals? Can they throw their voice? Or in more technical terms, are they ventriloquist? Beer (adrien) |
