BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: Airymouse
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 09:37 PM

A startling study shows men who have the highest levels of these compounds—the kinds found in fish but not in vegetable sources—have a higher risk of prostate cancer. Men with the very highest levels had a 71 percent higher risk of high-grade prostate cancer—the kind most likely to spread and kill, they report in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.Fatty acids found in vegetable oils, flaxseeds and other vegetable sources—including alpha-linolenic acid (ALA)–did not affect prostate cancer risk, the researchers found.Brasky, who says he still eats fish "but in moderation", says the study cannot answer the question of how fish oil might cause cancer. They took into account other factors that might be associated with eating fish and Brasky notes that mercury, which can be found in fatty fish, doesn't cause prostate cancer.The study also doesn't say anything about the effects of fish oil on men who already have cancer. "This study is not about men with prostate cancer," Brasky said, noting that some studies have suggested fish oil might be beneficial in men who already have cancer.

Men might be at a loss for what to do, as omega-3 fatty acids were also believed to lower the risk of heart disease, which is far more common than prostate cancer. The American Heart Association recommends that people with heart disease eat fish twice a week and people with heart disease might need fish oil capsules.

But the researchers point out that recent studies have shown taking extra omega-3 has little effect on heart disease–including a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine in May.
(Google "CNBC fish oil study" for the full article as the above is a compendium). As far as I can make out women, as they say, are off the hook.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 05:52 PM

Sorry, last Guest was me.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: Leadbelly
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 05:03 PM

Therefore, Guest, take care of cod liver or derivative pharmaceutical products (fish oil; in this case with heavy metals)) from the baltic sea in Europe.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 04:37 PM

""Fish and fish oils are from organisms at the end of the food chain in the sea, and thus have high levels of the heavy metals.""

This may be true of some fish species, but not true with others. Some fishes, such as the pelagic variety are rich in oils. But, size and age (and of course where they roam and the species they eat) are big factors in what their oils are composed of and are contaminated with. If the oils comes from the liver (a heavy metal filter) than there are other issues to consider.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: Leadbelly
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 04:06 PM

kendall,

seems so that your new doctor is a cautious one. Have a look upon risks and contraindications on the package insert of your old drug. But I have my doubts about value of fish oil, too because of efficacy and of growing risk of prostate cancer if this is proven to be true.

Like others, I believe it's a genetic destiny to suffer from a bad cholesterol balance.

In general:don't spontaneously believe what pharmaceutical companies via medical doctors are going to tell you about advantages of a newly prescribed drugs. Always ask for disadvantages, side-effects and contra-indications and -above all- alternatives. Sometimes it takes a decade to find out serious undesired actions of new compounds.

As a former marketing research manager for 3 top ten pharmaceutical companies world-wide I know what I'm talking about.This especially belongs to OTC-drugs. Many of them are without any efficacy. They take your money only.
Last but not least I think everybody should be aware of the fact that all compounds really effective do have undesired side-effects. This becomes more critical if other diseases are present(liver,kidney,lung etc.)

Always be critical!

Manfred (not a medical doctor)

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 03:18 PM

Fish and fish oils are from organisms at the end of the food chain in the sea, and thus have high levels of the heavy metals. Pregnant women shouldn't have them more than once a week. I always feel that merely a 'balanced diet' is the best way forward. If you eat a wide selection of natural foods (not processed or highly refined stuff) you're doing your best for your body.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 06:46 AM

My new doctor took me off gemfribrozil and put me on Omega 3 fish oil.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jul 13 - 09:11 PM

An old thread, but I am pluging this research stuff here.

""... a startling study shows men who have the highest levels of these compounds – the kinds found in fish but not in vegetable sources -- have a higher risk of prostate cancer. Men with the very highest levels had a 71 percent higher risk of high-grade prostate cancer – the kind most likely to spread and kill, they report in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.""

Prostate cancer+fish oil-research

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: Beer
Date: 24 Apr 10 - 08:18 PM

I gag on the capsules. Not because it is not good for you. In fact Cod Liver Oil probably saved our lives when I was a child.
I couldn't have been any more than 4 or 5 when Mum would take me by the hand and off to the cod fish barrels we would go. She would skim the top for the oil than boil it and add a spoon of sugar it there was any. During the winter months the 12 of us would line up for our dose before school.
Dad was a fisherman so that makes me a fisherman's' son, and damn proud of it.
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: kendall
Date: 24 Apr 10 - 07:11 PM

I have some CoQ10 capsules but they are so big I have a hard time swallowing them. I tried cutting them in two and they just crumbled into dust.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: GRex
Date: 24 Apr 10 - 05:06 AM

I have been following this thread with great interest as I have very high cholesterol levels and am taking statins. At present I have little energy, 15 minutes pottering in the garden leaves me rubber legged. One doctor tells me that I have TATT (tired all the time) another says it is CFS (chronic fatigue syndrome) and that there is no cure
I have today started taking Co-Q10 and am awaiting the results.

Anyone that dislikes taking neat cod liver oil should try floating the oil on a little water in the bowl of a spoon. It then slips down the throat like an oyster leaving no taste.

             GRex

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: Jack Campin
Date: 12 Apr 10 - 07:58 PM

Most makes of tonic water now much less quinine than they used to, if they have any at all.

Not only do they have no effect, they taste of nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Apr 10 - 12:52 AM

Tonic Water USED to give me a lift and a burst of energy when I was very run down and depressed. But nowadays it seems to have no stimulating effect (perhaps my metabolism has changed somewhat!) - I still drink it from time to time - I just like the bitter taste. Btw, most of those expensive energy drinks with all those fancy ingredients have no noticeable stimulating effect.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 12:12 PM

Yes, I use Flaxseed oil - straight from the bottle too.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: MAG
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 12:07 PM

I use flaxseed oil instead of fish oil because of the taste -- available by the bottle; much cheaper. Both have omega 3; take as much as you need, and many doctors do recommend it.

I have high cholesterol anyway; genetic.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 11:19 AM

hi

Some 20 years ago I was involved in a road accident.

I was taken to the minor injuries dept. of my local hospital. Purely by chance my GP was working at the hospital unknown to me and was the doctor who treated me.

As part of the diagnostics of checking for injuries etc I gave a blood test.

The diagnostics were all OK except that I was told that I had very high cholesterol. 11.20 on the scale we use over here in the UK.

The standard at that time was 6.00 so I was put on to statins. I don't remember which one. The dosage was 10mg.

My parents unfortunately both died young and I knew nothing of their cholesterol levels etc. but I was advised to inform my sister. She went for tests and her level was almost as high as mine. Her doctor ( woman ) decided to treat her with a special diet not medication. After six months of the diet her levels were still as high so she too was put on statins.

We have been on them for 20 years and in that time after periods the particular statin I was on no longer worked as well. In addition the standards that the doctors worked to were gradually lowered to 4.00.
So I was prescribed different statins and different doses.
I was by that time on 40mg simvastatin and it was found to be in my case unable to allow me to conform to the 4.00 standard.

So I was changed on to 40mg of Atorvastatin. This worked well for me and I stayed on it and my readings were constant.

Four months ago NICE ( the health authority) decided that due to Atorvastatin costs ( Atorvastatin is much more expensive) patients on on it would be changed to Simvastin. We were assured that there would be no difference to the patient.

On checking my levels after two months my readings were 8.05 !!

So I am now back on Atorvastin.

All this time I must point out is that I have been on cod liver oil capsules and have been ever since I can remember.

Fish oil makes no impression on my nor my sister's cholesterol levels. So my advice would be - take care in what you try to do in changing your medications.

One further point I have had no contra conditions from any of the statins that I have been on.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: Allan C.
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 09:24 AM

Here's the stuff I've been taking along with this supplement. My doctor has been consistently amazed at my numbers and how much they have changed for the better. I, too, had an awful time trying to swallow the capsules and so switched to the liquid. I'm not going to try to tell you that the liquid is delicious because it certainly isn't. However, they do flavor it with lemon, making it much more tolerable. Even though I don't always eat what I should, (read: I eat a lot of stuff I know I shouldn't,) this stuff continues to keep my cholesterols on track. I'm not easily impressed, but this stuff really does impress me.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 01:22 PM

My grandmother used to dose me daily when I was a small defenseless kid with cod liver oil, which she administered with an eye dropper from a small bottle of concentrate.
The thought still makes me gag.

A neighbor swears by "Garden of Life," Icelandic Cod Liver Oil. It is flavored with lemon to disguise the dead fish taste.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesterol
From: danoive
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 11:26 AM

I started with omega 3 three fish oil and vitamin D a few months ago, along with the brewer's yeast I put on my oatmeal and 2000 mg of "C"" to start the day and threw away the anti-depressants I've been usung here in the gray and rainy Pacific Northwest after a few weeks. Thanks for the update on the co-q10.I used to be on here as a guest as "seth from Olympia", now I'm a member as
"danoive"

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 09:34 PM

S'ok.

I started taking the CoQ-10 because the statin reduces the amount of cholesterol my liver produces, but by the same mechanism, reduces the CoQ-10/ubiquinone in my system, and your body needs it to make energy. I found one medical article that said all patients taking statins should take CoQ-10. I started the fish oil just because I thought it was a good idea. If you can control cholesterol with Omega 3 oil alone, that's great.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: olddude
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 09:05 PM

point well taken, i just had a ton of trouble with statins but most don't so i do stand corrected. people should follow their doc not me for sure. everyone is built different. i apologize , i had trouble with the meds so i tend to get upset for reasons i should not.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: bobad
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 08:56 PM

Adding to what Jeri says I too have elevated cholesterol which is unaffected by diet. I did take fish oil caps for a while but they did nothing for my LDL level. I still take them when they are on sale but for other beneficial reasons, there is no strong evidence that fish oil reduces LDL cholesterol.

As for statins there is more and more evidence that their use is beneficial not only for those with elevated LDL but even for people with normal levels. I personally know an invasive cardiologist who takes them daily without even knowing what his LDL level is. As he says you can't have too low LDL.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:47 PM

A bit extreme, Dan. Most people I know who take statins don't have problems. I don't have a problem with it, other than fatigue. My mother had high cholesterol and severely blocked arteries. My uncle died of a heart attack at 46, and I believe hypercholesteremia runs in my family. My diet seems to have no effect on my cholesterol levels, and if I don't take the statin, I'll likely die sooner than later.

Jack also knows what he's talking about. I also take fish oil and CoQ-10. I'm guessing a way to synthesize the stuff isn't that far off. Please don't pass that scare tactic crap about how horrible the medication is off as fact, or even as a likely result. I need it, and my liver and muscles are just fine, thank you. The way you present your opinion, I can imagine you telling someone they shouldn't take an antibiotic for an otherwise fatal infection because they might have a reaction to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:47 PM

What made you think I don't take them?

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: olddude
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:16 PM

Until then Jack, you can take the prescription meds that turn you liver into jello, or cause muscle pain so you don't walk, or you can die of a heart attack, or you can take omega-3 fish oil capsules ... choice is yours. I will make mine thanks

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:05 PM

At bottom, there is no such thing as a "fish" oil. Fish get omega-3 oils from lower in the food chain: they are all synthesized by micro-organisms.

This is important. We can't continue exploiting fish stocks at the present rate, and the fish oil industry is a significant added pressure. But there are no immediate limits to how much bacterial fermentation capacity we can set up.

BTW, quinones and quinine have nothing to do with each other. (I can't drink tonic water any more - quinine sets my heart palpitating, it's a well-known cause of arrhythmia. Also, it can make you deaf).

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 02:36 PM

There are many claims of the benefits of fish oils....and more and more science are recognizing them. There are some possible health down sides, but normally involve using high doses.

But, all commercial fish oils are not alike,   and they come from different species and locations and involve different grades, levels of oils, and different purifying, refining and processes.

I suspect oils from smaller northern marine pelagic species (mackerel and herring) may be the better ones....as they contain more of beneficial Omega 3 and have less toxic material (mercury, for example that is found in hih levels in larger, longer lived fish, like the big tunas).

Livers filter out and concentrate oil soluable toxins....so if the fish came from a contaminated source (including the fish's diet) I would be cautious, unless there was a valid purifying process involved).

Unfortunately, much of the information on which one is best on the web comes from a marketing source. Science,medical nutitional and university sources may supply the best information.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: gnu
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 11:43 AM

Coupons can be had at http://www.jamiesonlabs.com/en/index.aspx

By Canucks, anyway.

Wish I had more time but I am late.......

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: gnu
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 11:23 AM

Jamieson, I have just read, makes an Omega3 tablet from fish oils and also includes an "heirloom olive from Italy" extract that has >30% sommat-or-other that is supposed help prevent cancer.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: olddude
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 10:16 AM

Dang stuff works I will let ya know in 2 months for a recheck to see if it holds ... Now is there any truth that the stuff helps with cancer?

No I don't have cancer but a lot of people sure do .... lots of info on the web but it seems to conflict ...

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 12:14 AM

CQ10 - quinone - ah - THAT's why when i was feeling like dying and was regularly taking tonic water (no gin - honest!) Iused to feel more energy...

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 11:19 PM

Cardiologists generally seem to have a favorable opinion with regard to "fish oil." When I mentioned to mine that I was trying them out he initially seemed not much impressed; but he called back later to suggest that I triple the dose I was taking. (Then, about a month later, he left town - but that's probably an unrelated decision?)

The currently popular capsules are reportedly all produced by a single factory in a small Norwegian(?) village, where they have developed a "microencapsulation" process that theoretically keeps the taste from being evident. The actual oil is released only as the gelatin capsule dissolves in your gut. If you happen to get some from another maker, with "loose oil" in them, you definitely will notice the different "flavor."

I don't know whether there has been an actual improvement, but comparison of capsules purchased recently with a few left over from some months back does show about a 30% reduction in the size of the capsules labelled as having the same content. If the capsule size has been a problem, a bit of shopping may find some slight improvement. In my area, though, the price per capsule seems about the same for 1200 mg as for 600 mg. A few 300 mg capsules I've seen have been cheaper; but not less than half the 600 mg price. Taking twice as many half-size ones probably will cost a bit more; but may be worth the difference if you have trouble with swallowing the big ones.

Typical labelling is as Omega-3 Fish Oil, and capsules in my area are available fairly readily in 600 mg and (less easily) 1200 mg sizes. The size on the label, however, refers to the amoung of "oil of fish" and what you really want is the "Omega-3" that's generally a small fraction of the oil.

Typical "1200 mg Fish Oil" capsules locally available in my area now show an analysis of:

Daily dose 2 capsules:
Natural Fish Oil 2400 mg
Omega-3 Fatty Acids 720 mg

This Omega-3 content is slightly different than for capsules purchased some months back.

The specific caps available at places where I shop have changed from time to time, which suggests that you need to read the fine print to see what you're actually getting. The literature touting the benefits sometimes quote a recommended "maximum dose" of 2400 mg per day, apparently meaning the amount of "raw fish oil." I haven't seen much of anything that references a recommended "Omega-3" dose, even though they all say it's the only thing that really matters. There seems to be no particular serious side effects from overdose, although it doesn't seem to have been much examined.

A fringe benefit of taking the fish oil caps is that it does seem to have some "stool softening" effect, and a number of common other pharmaceuticals prescribed for lipid control, blood pressure, control, and platelet binding do have "constipation" as a fairly frequent side effect.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 08:24 PM

I used to cry with GOUT started fish tablets havent had an attack for 12 years I reckon they oil your joints

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: kendall
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 08:17 PM

They also work as a cure for constipation. Insert one in your anus. Guaranteed to work.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 07:31 PM

I *like* the taste and usually chew them.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 07:21 PM

GUEST, if you're stateside try the Nordic Naturals Ultimate Omega 500 (dunno if they sell them east of the pond). Plenty small and easy to swallow. I had trouble with a larger pill (forget the brand) so my wife got me these. The larger one was actually sticking in my gullet. Most uncomfortable.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 05:59 PM

That's a good solution Old Dude. But I still have to find a daintier capsule,one's in my health food store are large enough to choke a horse.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 05:47 PM

I really detest the way Imlach hammed that song up. Unfortunately nearly everybody since has felt they need to add animal grunts to make it funny. (Imlach was about as funny as working nightshift in an A&E).

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 05:46 PM

If you want to minimise the taste of 'fish-oil-capsule-blow-back' try taking them BEFORE meals. I imagine that this works because you're dumping 'material' (i.e. food) on top of them - so if you burp you tend to get the taste of the food - and not the fish oil.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 05:10 PM

Sung correctly by the late and much missed Hamish Imlach.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 05:06 PM

Omega 3 Salmon Oil good fir yer heart and good fir yer joint's, too... Been takin' it for years... Cheap, too...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 05:05 PM

Cod Liver Oil And The Orange Juice

    * (Ron Clark / Carl McDougall)

      Oot o' the East there came a hard man
      Oh oh, a' the way frae Brigton
      Ah haw, glory hallelujah
      Cod liver oil and the orange juice

      He went intae a pub, an' he cam oot paralytic
      Oh oh, VP [or Lanliq] an' cider
      Ah haw, what a helluva mixture ...

      (Spoken: Sex rears its ugly head now ...)

      Does this bus go tae the Dennistoun Palais
      I'm looking for a lumber
      Ah haw, glory hallelujah ...

      (Eyes up the talent ... and lo and behold!)

      In the dancin' he met Hairy Mary
      Oh oh, the floo'er o' the Gorbals
      Ah haw, glory hallelujah ...

      (Chats her up ...)

      Oh noo Mary, are ye dancin'
      Naw, naw, it's jist the way ah'm stannin'
      Ah haw, glory hallelujah ...

      (Rebuffed ...)

      Oh Mary, yer wan in a million
      Oh oh, so's yer chances
      Ah haw, glory hallelujah ...

      (Rebuffed again!)

      Well then Mary, can ah run ye hame
      Oh oh, ah've got a pair o' sandshoes
      Ah haw, yer helluva funny ...

      (Never say die ... sways aboot nonchalantly,
      picks his nails wi' his bayonet -
      and hew knocks it off!)

      Doon through the back close an' intae the dunny
      It wasnae for the first time
      Ah haw, glory hallelujah ...

      Then oot cam her mammy, she's goin' tae the cludgie
      Oh oh, ah buggered off sharpish
      Ah haw, glory hallelujah ...

      Hairy Mary looking for her hard man
      Oh oh, he's jined the Foreign Legion
      Ah haw, Sahara an' ra camels ...

      Then Hairy Mary had a little baby
      Oh oh, its faither's in the Army
      Ah haw, glory hallelujah ...
    *

      (East - Glasgow's east end; Brigton - the Glasgow suburb of Bridgeton)
      (VP, Lanliq - cheap fortified wines)
      (Dennistoun Palais - dance hall in the east end suburb of Dennistoun)
      (Gorbals - former Glasgow inner-city slum district)
      (sandshoes - sneakers)
      (dunny - tenement passage or basement)
      (cludgie - shared toilet in tenement blocks)

      As sung by Hamish Imlach

You only had to ask

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 05:02 PM

I love crunching the halibut liver oil capsules, they taste great!

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: Gurney
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 04:59 PM

Now we need a Scot to post the words to 'The Cod Liver Oil and the Orange Juice. They don't seem to be in the D.T.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: olddude
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 04:35 PM

Hey lefthander,
try this my friend, I found if I burped ... I could taste the fish, it was awful, so a nurse friend told me she puts her fish oil capsules in the frig ... taking them cold she said she never tastes it ever...

It works
..try keeping them in the frig and take them cold

I do that, it works, only time was my stupid, I am going to bite this to see what it is like ... that was a mistake ... LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: olddude
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 04:27 PM

Ya know you could have knocked me over , cause I really thought I was going to get an ear whipping ... no kidding I been on a run since Easter with a lot of red meat and pizza lunches ... so to peg those numbers was more than impressive.. Now I will go back to behaving and watching what i eat but that stuff works ... I wonder if people knew how well we could put the expensive Lipitor and crestors and all the other things ending is ores out of business with something that is just natural. I read the Japanese have the lowest heart attacks and little Cholesterol problems ... probably from eating fish all the time.

I don't like fish (except my weekly fish fry of haddock) grew up on meat and potatoes ... along with a family with heart disease to go along with it

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 04:27 PM

I have morphoea a.k.a. localized scleroderma, an auto-immune skin disease that causes ugly pink patches that eventually partly fade and partly turn into scar tissue. I'm treating it with both the conventional medical option (ultra-potent steroid ointment) and anti-inflammatory supplements - fish oil and also turmeric (about 4 teaspoonfuls a day, with half a teaspoonful of black pepper to aid absorption). It's well under control now, but it does seem to need both the supplements and the steroids to do it.

I am occasionally taking vitamin E as well. My reasoning for that is that fish oil is prone to oxidation, and vitamin E prevents that. (There is a horrible syndrome in cats fed too much fish, where their body fat goes rancid because it has too much unsaturated fatty acid). Vitamin E is probably NOT very good for you when taken as a supplement, so I'm only taking the minimum I think will do the job. It seems to give me more vivid and entertaining dreams. The co-Q10 may be doing the same thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: lefthanded guitar
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 04:22 PM

I'm glad to hear of your success- I always feel better trying a natural solution than medication. But I tried the fish oil capusles, but they were so large I could barely swallow them w/o gagging, and even with the coating, they still had the residue of fish (phew )taste. I would try it if they had smaller capsules.

My physician also recommended either Red Rice Yeast or Flax seed- anyone had any experience with this?

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Colesetrol
From: bobad
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 04:14 PM

A handy site for info on supplements: Information Is Beautiful

All the data is referenced and purportedly derived from double blind studies.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Cholesetrol
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 04:09 PM

...and it seems it's a big part of fish oil.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Colesetrol
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 04:09 PM

Gnu, I've taken different brands, but they all called it 'Co Q-10'/'CoQ-10'. 100 mg are what's recommended as a supplement, but most articles I've read say more is better.

He're some more info--quite a bit of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Colesetrol
From: olddude
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 04:05 PM

OH VERY IMPORTANT
here is the trick, after a lot of research, your body processes Cholesterol at night, Night ....while you sleep

The reason the docs tell you to take prescription Cholesterol meds at night is for that reason. To really get the fish oil working ... Take it before you go to bed, I take 3 at night, 3 first thing in the Am

that is I am sure over kill but it is working great ... except for the fins i am growing

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Colesetrol
From: olddude
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 03:50 PM

GNU
I am taking like 6 pills a day of Omega3 Fish oil from Spring Valley
you can get that brand anywhere .... each tablet is 1000 mg ... I am going to cut down cause my bad Cholesterol numbers went from 150 to 40 in 6 weeks ... I threw away my prescription about a week after I got it because of the muscle pain it caused me so the fish oil did work

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Colesetrol
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 03:45 PM

AND I read the other day that tilapia fish, getting very popular in the US, is BAD for heart patients/cholestrol. You are supposed to be getting fatty acids Omega-3. Tilapia has little of those but LOTS of Omega-6, which I guess is bad.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Colesetrol
From: gnu
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 03:45 PM

What's the name of the brand/product, Jeri?

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Colesetrol
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 03:39 PM

I mentioned to my doc (who had my latest blood tests in hand) that I'd been taking fish oil, but stopped when I ran out. She said "Don't stop!" I take a statin and felt miserable--physically weak, no energy-- until I read up on co-enzyme Q10 (AKA 'ubiquinone'), and started taking that. I believe that CoQ10 probably saved my life, or at least gave me a chance at a reasonably long one.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Colesetrol
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 03:37 PM

Fish oil capsules. Capsules of fish oil. You remember in the old days mothers used to give their bairns cod liver oil? This is much the same, only (a) it's usually from other parts of the fish these days, and (b) it comes in nice gel-caps so you don't have to taste the fish.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Colesetrol
From: gnu
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 03:35 PM

What kinda capsules?

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Colesetrol
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 03:34 PM

All of my doctors and my pharmacist are big on fish oil. I don't have any before-and-after numbers but it does seem to help my mood, especially in the winter.

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Colesetrol
From: olddude
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 03:32 PM

Last thing, if you have an inquiring mind like I do ... don't I repeat, don't bite - the capsule to find out what it is like ...

It is a very bad idea LOL,   kind of like licking a dead fish that washed up on the shore ...

Subject: RE: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Colesetrol
From: olddude
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 03:26 PM

that is Cholesterol, the h sticks on my keyboard. Now for the side effects, I noticed I am growing fins and I keep jumping for flies but other than that I don't notice anything different LOL

Subject: BS: Fish Oil Capsules and bad Colesetrol
From: olddude
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 03:22 PM

Well after my heart cath the doc buddie was yelling at me about my bad colesterol and terrible eating habits ... Well I haven't exactly been a good boy eating wise and the cholesterol meds were giving me muscle cramps so I threw them away ...

I started hammering it with fish oil capsules ... I read it really works ... ok why not ... so I did it for a month ...

blood test from yesterday

bad cholesterol ... 40
good cholesterol ... 112

triglycerides ... perfect

Doc said wow the meds I gave you really worked perfect and you must be really watching what you eat ... didn't have the heart (no pun intended) to tell him otherwise ..

That crap seems to work ...I don't recommend anyone throwing meds away but jeepers, it worked for me so far