BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 28 Nov 12 - 07:40 PM

I suppose in the UK, most people would say Raah-lee, but there are some who say Rally and some Raw-lee!

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 27 Nov 12 - 10:43 PM

"In parts of the South (U.S.), Raleigh is pronounced "Ray Lee." "

I dunno, Q.   Are you sure you aren't thinking of Rayleigh Waves, whatever they are?

In Missouri, Raleigh is pronounced Rolla. Or maybe Rah-lee.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 27 Nov 12 - 11:20 AM

The "official index" to which I refered is the ARC index of artists and is specifically only for the artists with works displayed on the ARC website. It has never made any pretense at being "all artists" in any general way. The site came up with around 20,000 images and they did a pretty good job of keeping the index up to date until they reached something around 40,000 images.

An original purpose was to provide exposure of classical "realist" artists (with a fairly loose definition of the genre), with particular interest in some more recent ones that seldom get particularly "good press" with the museums. The Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood, in particular, is recognized, but is sort of a "fringe group" relative to the ones of primary interest at the site.

They posted lists of "new acquisitions" that were fairly accurate until about the same time, when it became harder (for me at least) to tell when a "new" image was really new, or when it just replaced an existing one with a "better" one of the same work. There were some updates to the "index of artists at ARC" but that index was provided as a "convenience" for visitors and served little in the way of an essential purpose for the serious students.

Their original target was 60,000 images, possibly based on storage space on the original equipment setup, and when they reached that point the posting of newly acquired images, and indexing what was there, sort of took a back seat to other activities in support of art and artists, although current statistics indicate that they've continued to expand their collection steadily.

For a site that does make an effort to cover "all artists of significance" among the best I've found is ArtCyclopedia that is specifically meant to be an index of (all?) "Fine Art" on the Internet, but only tells you where to find pictures and has none of its own posted. Even there, I find "artists of interest" (to me) that are not in the ArtCyclopedia index, but that may be because we disagree - a little - on what's "fine art" (?), and/or because I don't follow "the trade" closely enough to make popularity judgements. Many of the artists that have seemed to be most popular with 'catters have NOT BEEN LISTED there, possibly because they are living artists who haven't established sufficient reputations with the dealers critics. (The "genealogists" T-shirt currently popular says "You'd be a lot more interesting if you were DEAD." ????)

John

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Nov 12 - 07:33 AM

.,,.,.I looked at the "official index of artists" and didn't find Millais at ARC. .,,,,.
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What on earth sort of 'official index' could that have been? Millais was a founder-member of the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood, along with Rossetti and Holman Hunt; and one of the most distinguished of Victorian painters. His 'Bubbles', a marvellous study of a child's first realisation of the concept of death and ephemerality, The Blind Girl, Ophelia, Christ in the House of His Parents, Isabella and the Pot of Basil, et al, are among the highest points of British C19 art.

I ask again ~~ whatever purporting to call itself an 'index of artists' could possibly have omitted him?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 06:03 PM

I looked at the "official index of artists" and didn't find Millais at ARC. Maybe their index is just a little out of date (like the search index here(?)).

I didn't try a site search (Google or otherwise) for new items.

When I last spent much time at the site, you could right-click and "save picture" for any of them. They've recently restricted most of the "big images" to members only, even for viewing; but I wasn't feeling sufficiently needy when I found that change to try to find what it takes to be a member. For some time, they've blocked saving/copying images for living artists who've requested it.

They have added (according to their count) about 22,000 images since the last time I went through all of what they had and quit checking for updates. (I did, back then, systematically look at about 48,000 of their images - it took about 3 years part time.) Before the rules changed, I "collected" samples from about 2900 artists - about 9,000 images; but I was "specializing" on researching a particular kind/style of works with no prior knowledge of what artists did the kind I was looking for.

One of their most interesting features is in their pages on winners of their latest competitions. Some very nice work being done; but it's been a couple of years since I've taken a serious look even there.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: kendall
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 05:47 PM

*I identify wuith that painting. I'm an old sailor who tells tales to adults and to children. (Different content of course)

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 04:43 PM

I had no trouble saving the ARC image in color.

With 87 Millais images, the site provides a good survey of his work (not one of my favorite artists, but I am not a fan of these romantic Victorian images).

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: gnomad
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 04:03 PM

I wonder what JiK and I are doing differently?

When I search at ARC I find some 87 works of John Everett Millais, including the subject of this column, most if not all apparently available as prints. I got as far as 'enter card details' without hitting any barriers, but didn't take the final step.

I can't believe I have caught John out, it gnaws at the very foundations of my creed, that if JiK speaks a matter is settled ;-)

My link in post #14 goes right to an order form, it appears to be their work id#700 and currently in the Tate Gallery collection, as previously discussed.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: kendall
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 01:45 PM

I can get the painting up on my screen, but when I try to copy it, it comes out black and white.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 12:14 PM

ARC (artrenwal.com) prints cover a broad price range, from $35 on up to $345. In the past they've said "any image they have in the collection," which they now count as 75,000 to choose from, but still unfortunately not including any of Millais' works.

Some time back they indicated that all their prints were "Giclee process" and included emulation of the artists' actual brush strokes. I don't see that claim in current info, although they do say that all materials are "archival." Proceeds from sales also go to support of the collection and to artists via scholarships and otherwise.

Worth considering if you want a very good quality print of an artist in their collection. Details (price list) at About ARC Fine Prints.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 11:49 AM

In parts of the South (U.S.), Raleigh is pronounced "Ray Lee."

I remember that the picture was used in primary school art lessons where I went to school (SW U.S.)

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 11:12 AM

I didn't know that, EB. My recommendation withdrawn.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: EBarnacle
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 10:21 AM

As the business manager for Willard Bond, I had an ongoing fued with Allposters, as the take the art without permission and, except in very rare circumstances, do not pay the artists. They are in constant violation of copyright law. I see they have renewed their theft and will notify Willard's heirs of his presence on their site.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 09:28 AM

However, a bit of surfing and I found this at allposters.co.uk. Much cheaper than the Artrenewal versions.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: Mo the caller
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 09:25 AM

Thinking back to the 60's, if it wasn't a Chinese Girl on the wall it was a seascape with White Horses.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 09:11 AM

I've just checked the Tate Britain shop for their prints for sale - the Millais is not on the list unfortunately.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 08:36 AM

Artrenewal.org is generally a good place to get $$excellent$$ prints, but they generally only offer prints of works they have in their collection. They counted 60,000 images last time I looked, but I didn't find Millais in their index.

It's more likely that the Tate gift shop might have, or be willing to make, a print(?) if they're the ones who have the original; although I don't know anything about their setup.

There are numerous print dealers (even Walmart again now?) but it can be hard to find one who has a specific work in stock. Since this appears to be a fairly popular one, a local dealer might be able to find one a little cheaper than the "museum quality" ones the museums generally have available.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: GUEST,redhorse at work
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 08:20 AM

" I suspect every school I attended had one"

Yes, it went with the "Our Island Story" approach to history.....

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: Mo the caller
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 07:34 AM

That's it Megan.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 07:26 AM

A great painting by one of Britain's most important artists. It's on display at Tate Britain.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: Megan L
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 07:12 AM

1960's probably Teretchikof's Chinese girl

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: Mo the caller
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 06:53 AM

Yes, it was very popular. Not seen it recently.
Paintings go in waves don't they.
From my grandmothers time 'Godspeed' and 'Pick-a-Back' (and rearing horses on the mantlepiece)
Can't remember what the picture on every wall in the 60's was, but there was always 3 plaster ducks.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: gnomad
Date: 25 Nov 12 - 08:39 AM

Art Renewal.Org Your wish is our command,Kendal.

If you had been born here in England you would have seen many copies by now. I suspect every school I attended had one.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: Will Fly
Date: 25 Nov 12 - 07:05 AM

Sorry - mixed up the vital words "painting" and "drawing"! Should have read:

There's an interesting painting by Millais - drawn some years earlier than the drawing - called "A Christmas Tale".

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: Will Fly
Date: 25 Nov 12 - 07:03 AM

There's an interesting drawing by Millais - drawn some years earlier than the painting - called "A Christmas Tale".

A Christmas Tale

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: kendall
Date: 25 Nov 12 - 06:31 AM

I'd like to have a print of this painting.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 09:16 PM

Additional about the artist Millais at ArtCyclopedia.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?-Boyhood of Raleigh
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 08:21 PM

The location of the painting has been preserved in Budleigh Salterton. You can stand on the very spot and imagine. Indeed, I've done it. My in-laws are all denizens of the area.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?
From: kendall
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 06:09 PM

Beautiful! thank you all.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 04:09 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 03:55 PM

He asked me!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 03:45 PM

"Millais painted the background to the picture on the Devon coast near Exeter, not far from where Raleigh had been born.

Budleigh Salterton

The boys were Millais' sons - the man a local fisherman"

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Redhorse, HOW did you know that? Whew.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?
From: Megan L
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 03:07 PM

Painted by Sir John Everett Millais the picture and history

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?
From: redhorse
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 03:06 PM

wiki says Millais

Subject: RE: BS: Do you know this painting?
From: redhorse
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 03:02 PM

"Boyhood of Raleigh"


Can't remember the artist. I'm sure someone else can.

Subject: BS: Do you know this painting?
From: kendall
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 02:58 PM

When I was a boy a neighbor had a painting on her wall that depticted an old sailor sitting on a rock pointing out to sea. His back is to the artist and there are children who seem to be enthralled with his story.