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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sir Aldingar From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 07 Oct 01 - 11:58 AM The ballad seems to have dropped out of tradition long ago, and no tune is known for it. The Scandinavian songs such as Ravengaard og Memering are analogues, but we can't tell what their precise relationship to the English story might be (Child and Christophersen notwithstanding); there is no way of knowing if any melodies surviving for them have anything at all in common with whatever Aldingar was sung to. There is one modern recording of it, by the Breton band Kornog, on their Ar Seizh Avel (On Seven Winds) (Green Linnet, 1985); I have not heard it, and presume that they wrote their own tune or borrowed one from another source. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sir Aldingar From: masato sakurai Date: 07 Oct 01 - 11:37 AM Sir Aldingar is the name. ~Masato |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sir Aldingar From: masato sakurai Date: 07 Oct 01 - 11:23 AM In Bronson (vol. 2), No. 59 (Sir Aldinger) is entirely missing, no mention in the appendix (vol. 4). In a comparative study of this ballad, The Ballad of Sir Aldinger; Its Origin and Analogues (Oxford, 1952), Paul Chritophersen writes: "Seven tunes have been recorded in Denmark within the hundred years ..., but they cannot be utilized for this study owing to the lack of tunes elsewhere"(p.12 n.1). ~Masato
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sir Aldingar From: Sorcha Date: 07 Oct 01 - 10:27 AM It's not included in the few tunes that FJC put at the back of Vol. 5, nor is it in Bronson--at least my editions. |
Subject: Sir Aldingar From: DMcG Date: 07 Oct 01 - 10:14 AM I've been looking for the melody for this Child Ballad. The DT entry has no tune, nor does www.contemplator.com; I cannot find it elsewhere on the Net. (I could read most formats, including ABC and MIDI) Messages above transferred from Maid of Coolmore and Sir Aldingar |
Subject: RE: Maid of Coolmore and Sir Aldingar - lyricsreq From: Susan of DT Date: 07 Jul 97 - 05:35 PM Laoise The version I posted of Sir Aldingar was from the Oxford Book of ballads. I did not check it against Child. Both Francis J. Child The English and Scottish Popular Ballads (Dover) and Bertrand Bronson's The Traditional Tunes of the Child Ballads (Princeton University Press) are out of print, but should be available from interlibrary loan since, at least the Child, were widely distributed. I have Child and the abridged Bronson. When Dick, Max and I get to dream wildly, we talk about cutting CD ROMS, not only of the digital tradition, but also of out of print classic song collections, starting with one of Child and Bronson, where the tune in Bronson plays when you click on it. Someday.... |
Subject: RE: Maid of Coolmore and Sir Aldingar - lyricsreq From: Laoise, Belfast Date: 07 Jul 97 - 06:41 AM Gabh raibh maith agat Catfeet agus Susan. Catfeet - I haven't a clue how you got some of those lines. You must have a clearer recording than me, or better ears. The last two verses were especially difficult. Many thanks. Thank you, Susan, for posting the original Child's version. Although it's not the version I've heard its useful to have. I would like to know more about the Child collection of ballads and their original tuens. Where can I find out? Cheers both of you. Laoise. |
Subject: Lyr Add: SIR ALDINGAR (from Oxford Book of Ballads From: Susan of DT Date: 03 Jul 97 - 08:48 PM SIR ALDINGAR
Our king he kept a ffalse steward
Aldingar was offended in his mind,
There came a lame later to the Kings gates,
He said, Lye still, lazar, wheras thou lyest,
And then went forth Sir Aldingar
If I had space as I haue grace,
I can let you now see one of [the] greiuos[est] sights
If shee had chosen a right good Knight
If this be true, thou Aldingar,
But if it be false, Sir Aldingar,
When the King he came into the queenes chamber,
If thou were a man, as thou art none,
And fayre fyer there salbe bett,
Saies, God you saue, our Queene, Madam,
If you had chosen a right good Knight
Euer alacke, said our comly Queene,
I had thought sweuens had neuer been true,
I dreamed the grype and a grimlie beast
How he weld haue worryed me with his tush
Saving there came a litle Hawke
Giffe I were a man, as I am none,
Seing I am able noe battell to make,
Ile glue thee forty dayes, said our King,
Our Queene sent forth a Messenger,
The Second messenger the Queen forth sent
As he rode then by one riuer side
He askt the Queenes Messenger how far he rode,
Said, Turne thou againe, thou Messenger,
Bid our queene remember what she did dreame
Her gorgett and her Kirt[l]e of gold,
Saving there came a litle hawke,
Bidd the queene be merry att her hart,
Then the Queenes messenger rode backe,
Shee gaue the Messenger twenty pound
Our Queene was put in a tunne to burne,
With, Mu [ ]
Said, Draw away these brands of fire
When Aldingar see that litle one
Hee sayd, Come hither Sir Aldingar,
Saies, The first stroke thats giuen, Sir Aldingar,
The litle one pulld forth a well good sword,
He stroke the first stroke att Aldingar,
A preist, a preist, sayes Aldingar,
I weld haue laine by our comlie Queene,
There came a lame Lazar to the Kings gates,
I bad him lie still, Lazar, where he lay,
Euer alacke, sayes Sir Aldingar,
Now take thy wife, thou King Harry,
The Lazar vnder the gallow tree
Child #59 From The Oxford Book of Ballads by Kinsley. Child mentions Percy's Reliques (1765) and Minstrelsy of the Scottish Border (1803). The spelling is as it appears in Kinsley.
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Subject: Lyr Add: SIR ALDINGAR (from Kornog) From: catfeet Date: 03 Jul 97 - 10:06 AM After about a week, I've finally managed to dig out my Kornog cassette and copy the lyrics. Here is Kornog's Sir Aldingar. It is not the Child no 57 version. They've mixed Sir Aldingar and Sir Hugh Le Blonde and added some verses. SIR ALDINGAR Our King he kept a false steward Sir Aldingar they do him call A falser steward there ner was one Served not in bower nor hall I love you weel my Queen my dame The truth that I do tell And for to lie one night with you The salt seas I would sail Away away Sir Aldingar You are both stark and stout Would you defile the Kings own bed And make his wife a whore? He then stepped out at her room door All in an angry mood Until he met a leper man Just by the hard way side o He intoxicated the leper man With liquors very sweet And gave him more and more to drink Until he fell asleep He took him in his arms twa And carried him along Til he came tae the Queens ain bed And there he laid him down The went him forth Sir Aldingar And to our King cried he He said "Your Queens a false woman As I do plainly see" He went unto the Queens chamber So costly and so fine o Til he came tae the Queen's ain bed Where the leper man was lain o "Plooky plooky are your cheeks And plooky is your chin And plooky are your arms twa My bonnie Queen's laid in Since she has lain intae your arms She shall not lie in mine Since she has kissed your ugsome mouth She never shall kiss mine" In anger he went tae our Queen Who fell upon her knee He said "Ye false unchaste woman What's this ye've done tae me? Now forty days I will geve thee Tae find a knight therin If thou not find a Knight in forty days Thy body it must brin" Then she sent east and she sent west And north and south between But never a champion could she find Would fight the King's knight sae keen Now when the appointed day was come No help appeared nigh Then woeful woeful was her heart And the tears stood in her eye Three times the herald waved hsi hand Three times he waved on high. "Gin any good knight will fend this dame/ Come forth or she must die!" No knight stood forth no knight there came No help appeared nigh And now the Fire was lighted up. Queen Ealenor she must die And now the fire was lighted up As hot as hot might be When riding upon a little white steed A tiny boy they see "Away with that stake, awasy with those brands And loose our comely Queen I'm come to fight Sir Aldingar And prove him a traitor keen" Then stood him forth Sir Aldingar But when he saw the child He laughed and scoffed and turned his back And weened he'd been beguiled "Now turn thee, turn thee Aldingar And either fight or flee I trust I shall avenge the wrong Though I am sae small tae see" The boy pulled forth a well guid sword Sae gilt it dazzed the e'e The first stroke striken at Aldingar Smote off his legs at the knee "Stand up Stand up thou false traitor And fight upon thy feet For and thou thrive as thou beginnnst Of height we shal be meet" "Confess your treachery now" he said "This day before you die!" "I shall confess my treachery I shall no longer lie I would have betrayed our comely Queen My treachery is clear" And the boy has pierced Sir Aldingar Til his hearts blood did appear King Henry ran to clasp his Queen A tear was in his eye "No boy has ever saved a wife As fair and true as thee" They turned to look for the tiny boy But he could not be found Then stood before the leper man And he stood whole and sound
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Subject: RE: Maid of Coolmore and Sir Aldingar - lyricsreq From: Susan of DT Date: 29 Jun 97 - 07:37 AM Sir Aldingar is also in the Oxford Book of Ballads. I will enter it soon, if no one beats me to it. After getting one example of each of the Laws songs into the database for the April version, I can now get back to filling in the missing child ballads, which I am a lot fonder of. |
Subject: RE: Maid of Coolmore and Sir Aldingar - lyricsreq From: Murray Date: 29 Jun 97 - 03:28 AM Thread #2091 Message #7605 Posted By: Laoise, Belfast 27-Jun-97 - 10:56 AM Thread Name: Maid of Coolmore and Sir Aldingar - lyricsreq Subject: Maid of Coolmore and Sir Aldingar - lyricsreq
This may be a long shot, but has anyone got the lyrics to the Maid of Coolmore. It's sung by the Bothy Band, but I reckon its an old one. I've got a recording of it but the words are too difficult to make out. Thread #39841 Message #7694 Posted By: Murray 29-Jun-97 - 03:28 AM Thread Name: Tune Req: Sir Aldingar Subject: RE: Maid of Coolmore and Sir Aldingar - lyricsreq
Sir Aldingar is one of the so-called "Child" Ballads, & is no. 59 in his collection; you should be able to find it in a reasonable sized library. It starts: Our king he kept a false steward, Men called him Sir Aldingar. There's a Scottish version where the villain in Rodingham.[Scott's Minstrelsy of the Scottish Border]. |
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