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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 07 Jul 03 - 02:52 PM See also Urgent - Help for Irish Folk Songs I closed this thread in an attempt to avoid splitting the discussion. Please post here (click) or in one of the related threads listed in the crosslinks toward the top of this page. Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: GUEST,Learaí na Láibe Date: 04 Jul 03 - 07:34 PM Popular Irish folk songs? - popular in the tourist bars perhaps or maybe in Irish-American bars. However you're unlikely to hear them in folk clubs in Ireland or at any of the traditional festivals; Willie week, fleadhanna ceoil etc. They are all pretty good songs, whether Irish or not, but have become a little hackneyed here on the oul sod. Apologies if I'm a bit negative, Ray. Best of luck with your research anyway. You should get plenty info in the archives as others have suggested. Beir Bua. |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: Geoff the Duck Date: 04 Jul 03 - 12:05 PM George - Does that mean we can go back to just making up stories about where songs came from as usual? Quack! GtD. |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 04 Jul 03 - 11:27 AM I suspect Guest Ray is going through all of those various origin stories. I suspect he'll get back to us if he doesn't find some of them. I've not heard of some of them, but a good half of them are there. |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 04 Jul 03 - 11:25 AM Geoff the Duck. Guest, Ray's original message listed the songs he wanted. Most of them are in the PermaThread that MartinRyan pointed to. Here it is again |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: sian, west wales Date: 04 Jul 03 - 11:21 AM I agree (kinda) with Geoff - although I think the correct spelling is Grims6y. sian |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: Geoff the Duck Date: 04 Jul 03 - 11:07 AM On a scale of one to Texas I think you could probably describe London as a small place near Hull! I don't think they have 9's in Grimsby - Hull bought a job lot and cornered the market. Anyway I am invoking a Thread Drift Alert Code Yellow!!!!! - what about this bloke's Irish Songs - How many of them are? and Which? Quack! Geoff the Duck. |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: Steve Parkes Date: 04 Jul 03 - 10:56 AM Hiberniacal ("heye-bern-EYE-ac-ul") is an adjective; hiberniac ("heye-BERN-i-ac") is someone in a hiberniacal state, i.e. someone possessing or affecting hiberniality. Native hiberniacs (i.e. the Irish) are okay, generally, but affected hiberniacs should be avoided, especially on St Patrick's Day. Steve |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: weerover Date: 04 Jul 03 - 10:38 AM Sorry, penultimate word should have been "or", obviously. wr |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: weerover Date: 04 Jul 03 - 10:37 AM With its Latin origin, "Hibernia" should be treated etymologically like "mania" (Latin from original Greek): this would give us Hiberniac ir Hiberniacal. wr |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: GUEST,Martin Ryan Date: 04 Jul 03 - 09:41 AM Or is that just sleepiness? Regards |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: Snuffy Date: 04 Jul 03 - 09:32 AM Hiberniality? I've always thought it was Hibernicity |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar Date: 04 Jul 03 - 06:28 AM Shouldn't that be Grims9y? |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: ard mhacha Date: 04 Jul 03 - 05:38 AM Good on you Geoff, all of Ireland will be behind you, keep up the good work for the good of Irish music and song. Ard Mhacha. |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: GUEST,Santa Date: 04 Jul 03 - 05:29 AM John Connolly is from Grimsby. There is a fair bit of "aggro" between North and South of the Humber, so I'd be careful about saying he came from Hull! Mind you, he's a nice friendly chap, so he probably won't mind. Probably. |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: gnu Date: 04 Jul 03 - 05:23 AM "...without any implication of inherent hiberniality." Thanks. I had a grand laugh. Hope Big Mick sees that one ! |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: Geoff the Duck Date: 04 Jul 03 - 05:01 AM Dirty Old Town - Ewan MacColl - written about Salford near Manchester. Fiddler's Green - John Connolly - Who lived somewhere near Hull (I Think). The Rare Ould Times - Pete St John - Irish. Just to get the list started... Quack Geoff the Duck. |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: Steve Parkes Date: 04 Jul 03 - 04:57 AM If you interpret the subject as "songs popular with Irish singers", it all makes perfect sense, without any implication of inherent hiberniality. O'Steve |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar Date: 04 Jul 03 - 04:38 AM Now let's start the rerun of the arguments about the putative Irishness of some of these songs ;) |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: MartinRyan Date: 03 Jul 03 - 05:53 PM Found it! Click here Regards |
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Subject: RE: ORIGINS OF IRISH FOLK SONGS From: MartinRyan Date: 03 Jul 03 - 05:48 PM Ray Put each of the titles in turn into the LYRICS AND KNOWLEDGE query box at the top of the page. The Forum links will give you answers to most of your questions. Then post a separate query for each one still unanswered. Regards p.s. To Joe Offer: come to think of it, what happened the permathreads?
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: ORIGINS OF THESE POPULAR IRISH FOLK SONGS From: GUEST,RAY Date: 03 Jul 03 - 05:42 PM To whom it may concern, Can you please help me in finding background information about the origins for the songs listed below. . I would be very grateful for your help, Slainte, Ray. A Rainy Night In Soho A Pair Of Brown Eyes Boston Rose Dirty Old Town Fiddlers Green Flight Of The Earls Gra Mo Chroi Home Boys Home Streets Of New York Take Me Up To Monto The Big Strong Man The Boys From The County Armagh The Dying Rebel The Irish Rover The Man From Mullingar The Rare Ould Times The Spanish Lady The Star Of The County Down Whiskey On A Sunday |
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