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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: M.Ted Date: 16 Dec 04 - 09:55 AM All the seasons best to you, Guest--I hope that you, and the people you live and work with never need any of the kind of help that Catholic Social Serives provides. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: GUEST Date: 16 Dec 04 - 12:08 AM If the child is involved with Catholics - you should also consider demonic possession/oppression - praying and offering to idols opens the pathways to demonic activity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: M.Ted Date: 16 Dec 04 - 12:04 AM Catholic Social Services provides assistance for people of all faiths-- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: LadyJean Date: 15 Dec 04 - 10:32 PM I was about to suggest you try the church. They, usually, have people who are trained in counselling, and probably will have people who can communicate with the grandparents. They won't be as likely to fill the kid full of pills and send him on his way. Too much of modern psychiatry is better living throug chemistry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: mg Date: 15 Dec 04 - 01:28 AM And try the churches..are they Catholic? There is Catholic Community Services. What do they consider wrong with the father? Unless he is violent, a drug user or something like that, he might need to be somewhat in the picture. Where are the grandparents? Aunts and uncles? mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: GUEST Date: 14 Dec 04 - 07:04 PM Janie - you are believing an urban legend and a lie of statistics. Criminals - Mental Illness - Largest County Population in the USA - largest jail system - largest provider of services - shheezzzz work it out - Duhhhhhhh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: GUEST,JTT Date: 14 Dec 04 - 06:21 PM Thanks for the continuing help and advice, everyone. The latest is that the (great)grandparents have been referred to a doctor by a "counsellor" they're seeing with the child; nobody seems too sure what that means, but it's a hopeful start, anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: M.Ted Date: 14 Dec 04 - 02:15 PM I can imagine a lot of things--having worked with immigrant and migrant issues in the past, I know that it is often very difficult to get down to the real situation--often, it is made intentionally difficult by the parties involved, who often hide behind "language barriers" as a way of protecting their own interests-- At any rate, I would find a child advocate who can speak the language and who can get down to the real situation--there are a lot of people--social workers, lawyers, priests--who can respond, though it takes a while to find someone who will-- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: Janie Date: 14 Dec 04 - 09:18 AM The primary provider of mental health services to adults in LA County is the Los Angeles County Jail. This shift started a number of years ago when California "reformed" their community mental health system and began privatizing. California is not alone in this. Many states have followed suit as a way to reduce or shift the costs of services. Fiscally it may save money, but in terms of the human cost, it has been a real train wreck. North Carolina is now, sadly, engaged in the same process. The issue is a systemic one. I does not relate to the quality or array of services, it relates to very restrictive gate-keeping practices, basically, rationing of services, that severely limits who will receive services. Janie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: GUEST,JTT Date: 14 Dec 04 - 05:15 AM I don't actually know if the child was born in America or not. My friend (an internet friend, by the way, I haven't met her physically) is teaching in a primary school with mainly Mexican and Caribbean children. This child is being minded by his *great-grandparents*, it seems, rather than grandparents, and these people are illegal immigrants to the US, and speak little or no English. My friend doesn't speak their language, and has to rely on the times that she can get the services of a translator. The child's father, back in the country from which they emigrated, wants him back, but apparently the great-grandparents are worried that he isn't a suitable guardian for their beloved child. Can you imagine their terror now? Her own working day, counting commuting time, is 12 hours, and she's not paid a lot. She's teaching a class of 20 five-year-olds, of whom 18 have never spoken English before. I've passed on to her all the excellent suggestions made here, for which she's grateful. She will now follow these up with the principal of her small school, who has been trying to find help for this child herself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: GUEST Date: 13 Dec 04 - 10:37 PM Beg to differ with Janie. Look at the map. Look at the services offered. Few nations, much less states, offer the array of mental health services available in Califoria. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: open mike Date: 13 Dec 04 - 05:25 PM as was said earlier, if the child was born in the US, he/she an American citizen. that may makd a differece in services available. Are the grandparents able to care for this child, or is he/she a candidate for foster care? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: Janie Date: 13 Dec 04 - 02:56 PM I understand the fear the guardians have, but the bottom line is--the kid could end up dying because of their fear. California has a lousy public mental health system, but I am absolutely certain there is help available for this child. My brother-in-law is on the Board of Directors of a private, non-profit counselling center in West LA or Santa Monica, (can't remember which.) I don't know if they provide services for children or not. I know East LA is a pretty good haul from there, but if you want to pm me with some details I will call him to see if the child could be evaluated there. Here in NC they could simply take the child to the nearest hospital ER with a psychiatric service, and the hospital would begin linking them with services. Illegal alien status would not effect the services or trigger a reporting requirement. I suspect the same is true in CA, unless they have State laws and requirements that far exceed federal requirements. If the family cannot overcome their fear and get this child what s/he needs, I second M. Ted's remarks. Janie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: M.Ted Date: 13 Dec 04 - 02:13 PM You say your friend is teaching this child--I assume this is in school--dianvan's point about BC is equally true in the US--if the child is suffering, and particularly if, as you say, the child is a suicide risk, the teacher is legally bound to report the child's condition to Child Protective Services--Your teacher friend probably knows about this, but may not be acting on it to protect the grandparents-- If, as you say, the grandparents are illegals, there are probably some complicated guardianship issues that have not been dealt with--especially if the child was born in the US, and is, therefore, an American citizen--Since the family are in East LA, it is pretty likely that the resources to deal with these issues are all overloaded, and from bitter experience, all concerned parties are trying to avoid being sucked into the system-- However, children with high suicide risk always go to the front of the line, and, with luck, all the other issues will have to take a number and wait(not a bad thing. because it buys time, and usually a lot of time)-- So my advice is, tell your friend to do the right thing, which is to bring the kid into the system for treatment, and let the rest of the chips fall where they may-- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: SINSULL Date: 13 Dec 04 - 01:18 PM I disagree, Sorcha. There are illegal aliens who lost family in the World Trade Center and don't dare come forward to claim body parts or their share of the money for fear of being deported. Sad but true. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: Sorcha Date: 13 Dec 04 - 10:36 AM And, I really really doubt if the Head Start program is anything to be fearful of, even IF it's Federal.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: dianavan Date: 12 Dec 04 - 10:34 PM Maybe the laws are different where you are but in B.C. if you suspect that a child is suffering (phsically and/or emotionally), you are legally responsible for making the call. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: GUEST Date: 12 Dec 04 - 08:35 PM Dear JTT
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: GUEST,JTT Date: 11 Dec 04 - 01:02 PM Thanks so much for these! The child's guardians are apparently terrified of going near anything with "Federal" or "Government" involved. He sounds like a kid in big trouble, a five-year-old in danger of suicide. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: Sorcha Date: 11 Dec 04 - 12:54 PM Federal Head Start Program? Migrant Workers Programs? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: SINSULL Date: 11 Dec 04 - 12:34 PM Mourning Star Center in California. Attached is an article and a contact. Good luck. http://www.thedesertsun.com/news/stories2004/local/20040925005014.shtml |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: GUEST Date: 11 Dec 04 - 12:25 PM You could consider numbers 18, 19, 20 on the map |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: GUEST Date: 11 Dec 04 - 12:22 PM Metropolitan State Hospitol - Norwalk, CA 90650 - used to be the looney bin but is now the center for mental health and family counseling and temporary home for mothers and sober living house and civilian conservation corp and a prison for the criminally insane. Take your pick of services required: http://dmh.co.la.ca.us/providers/sa7.htm |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: GUEST,JTT Date: 11 Dec 04 - 11:50 AM Janie, California. East LA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: Janie Date: 11 Dec 04 - 11:23 AM Yes, where in the US are they? Community Mental Health Centers provide services regardless of legal status. Many community-based hospice programs will have grief services for children. If he is in public school, the school counsellor, social worker or psychologist may be able to help link with services. Janie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: GUEST,JTT Date: 11 Dec 04 - 11:19 AM In California. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: SINSULL Date: 11 Dec 04 - 11:08 AM The Center For Grieving Children might be able to help - non-profit. I will see if I can find a link. Where in the US are they? Mary |
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Subject: BS: Illegals' children and psych help From: GUEST,JTT Date: 11 Dec 04 - 11:03 AM Way, way off topic, sorry. A friend in the US is teaching a child whose mother has recently died. The child is in the care of his grandparents, who are working all the hours God gave, and don't speak much English at all. My friend says the kid is half-crazy with grief, and badly needs some psychiatric help, but because his people are illegal immigrants, they can't get this help, or are afraid to. Is there any solution to this problem? In Ireland, generally, everyone would try to fiddle the system so the child could slide through and be treated for free. But I know that the US medical system is very money-centred. Is there any way around this? (I'm not asking for money, by the way; it wouldn't help. I'm looking for information. |
