BS: Young White Women! Serve your country

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 06:22 PM

I understand she also caught the Monty Python Broadway show while she was there.

I vote we round up Bushie and his assassins on Monday while he is there, and lock them all up in the Superdome for the night with the looters.

And then we throw 'em into the deepest, darkest waters of the NO soup, in an area where a whole lot alligators have been feeding on the human corpses. Go back and check to see how they doin' by about next Saturday.

Kinda like Donuel's cartoon only much, much worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: LadyJean
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 10:38 PM

I gather Condoleeza Rice was in New York last week, buying a pair of Ferragamos. When a woman in the store took her to task for buying expensive shoes when a so much to the south was devastated, Ms. Rice had the lady thrown out of the store.
Now, I am a shoe junky. Hollowfox's offspring called me Imelda Marcos. But a person has to have her priorities straight.
But I'm glad Poppagator is safe, and I wish everyone else down there was. They're collecting water to be sent to the hurricane victims next Saturday, and I'll be down with as much as I can manage to afford and carry.
Ms. Rice probably can't carry as much as I can. But I'll bet she can afford more. It would be nice if she sent a couple of hundred cases.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 05:34 PM

Guest, you missed the point.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 05:29 PM

Again ladies, you missed the point and the humor. But if you need a black humor road map...and no, the statement had nothing whatsoever to do with "abusing women" any more than it did the other hysteria mongering some of you are engaging in over this disaster that has absolutely nothing to do with you.

You are simply holier-than-thou middle class American disaster TV tourists.

So stuff a sock in it.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 04:39 PM

Guest, sum it all up simply: ask for Jerry Springer's audience to report to the convention center.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 02:44 PM

I wouldn't have thought that there'd be many black women who'd be queueing up to get a hug from the Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 02:06 PM

Get a fucking grip.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: *daylia*
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 01:06 PM

GUEST, I do get your point. It's about as original and brilliant and humourous as Dubya's remark the other day, about the devastation in NO being much worse than in New York after 9/11.

Gee thanks, Prezzie ... DUH ....

I doubt any woman, particularly those who've actually suffered abuse or exploitation would find your remarks funny. More like tasteless and insensitive.

But please, don't mind me. Carry on! When you're through maybe you could entertain yourself with some tasteful "jokes" about, say, abortion or incest or pedophilia? Better yet, how about female genital mutilation? That way you could inspire a few belly-laughs about the suffering in Africa too!

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 12:25 PM

daylia -

I saw the presidential hugs on t.v. and what immediately struck me was the fact that these Black women were young, thin and very pretty. Makes you wonder why they were chosen to get the hugs.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 12:13 PM

daylia, some of us use humor to make the point.

But if you don't get the point, you likely won't get the humor.

azizi, as I understand it, phone calls from concerned parents and students actually inside the dorms at Xavier (which should tell you something right there: they still had operational cell phones & were text messaging out), along with friends and colleagues of parents with students in the dorms, put A LOT of pressure on certain African American leaders. You can go to a number of places on the internet (WIKI, Craig's list, etc) and find that people associated with XU (especially parents of students who had evacuated before the storm) created something of a media story about the students at XU. There were actually students in much worse shape at Dillard, actually, but that is another story.

So, Jesse Jackson got himself into town (why is it that the celebrities are having such an easy time getting into NO and are walking around in front of TV cameras?), got hold of a couple of buses, and is now claiming to have "rescued" the students from XU.

The reality on the ground at XU tells a different story. It appears that the students were just fine, and had food, water, dry high ground and were never in any danger of either being flooded, or being in harm's way (the campus police stayed on campus with them). When the National Guard came by the first time after the storm to check on them, it was determined they were in good shape, and were moved lower down on the evacuation list (for what should be very obvious reasons to anyone watching television this week).

According to my sister in law, they might have begun to run out of food and water in the next week sometime, but they were never really in any danger once the storm itself passed last Monday.

The information on evacuation is as follows:

All XU students and staff were evacuated to a bridge near the campus by police boats. They were left on the bridge from 11:30 AM to 7 PM. They were picked up by the National Guard at 7 PM and taken to another transportation staging area, where they then waiting until 10:30 PM to be loaded onto buses and driven to two locations in Baton Rouge.

It was all very orderly, and didn't take an unreasonable amount of time at all. While they waited on campus to be evacuated, they were fine.

I guess that isn't nearly as exciting a story as being rescued by Jesse Jackson stormin' the campus with Rainbow PUSH buses while being interviewed live by Larry King, but there you have it.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: Azizi
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 09:52 AM

Hey! Daylia. I knew that. It's cool.

And I have to agree with you. This country is sick.

Evidence of that sickness can be seen in the terrible amount of support that is being being provided to predominately Black people in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Check out the persistent media coverage on Fox TV and to a much lesser degree on other TV stations of the White woman missing & presumed killed in Aruba. Then compare that with the sparse media coverage of the African American young woman missing in Philadelphia whose body was recently found.

The difference is clearly there.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: InOBU
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 09:43 AM

Wonderful to hear you can laugh and are alright Poppagator
Prayers for all y'all
lor

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: *daylia*
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 09:39 AM

(That "Sick" was not in reference to your post, Azizi, but the 'humour' just above it)

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: *daylia*
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 09:37 AM

Sick.

Young white women, OBserve your country!
and when your nausea abates,
call your sisters of ALL colours
and make haste to emigrate.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: Azizi
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 09:22 AM

Back in 1903 African American writer, historian, sociologist, and civil rights activist W.E.B Du Bois said that "the problem of the twentieth Century is the problem of the color line."

In my opinion, one of the lessons of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina is in the 21st century the USA still has a racial problem, but poverty + race tromps color.

I know of African Americans from New Orleans who have money and cars. These Black people were able to evacuate New Orleans and did so.

I wondered about the Black university students and faculty in New Orleans and appreciate GUEST's [03 Sep 05 - 07:26 AM] post that the [presumably on-campus] students of Xavier were evacuated. I agree with Guest that the reasons why these Black people were evacuated and not some others was that "they have middle and upper class advocates outside the region, and the students and staff at the universities aren't perceived as 'dangerous and desperate'"...and
"the only difference between the people there and the people blocks away from them was class. Not race, class."

But the problem with economic class is that one can't always tell which class a person is by looking. Americans [particularly those of us who live in geographic regions where there are significant numbers of people of color] are unconsciously socialized to determine a person's race [and ethnicity in the case of Latinos] by using the visual clues of skin color, hair texture, and physical features. Of course, there are times when we "guess wrong" [for instance, in the case of very light skinned African Americans who can "pass for White" because they have "White" hair texture and "White" physical features] because they either have one birth parent who is White or because their birth families have more White ancestry than Black. Though it is a widely repeated cultural belief among African Americans that we can "always tell" a Black person who is "passing" {either purposely doing so temporarily or permanently or who just looks like he or she is White} that is not always the case.

My point is that if middle class Black people are removed from their {our} material props [nice clothes, cars, jewlery, hair care etc] they {we} can't be distinguished from poor Black people. There are contemporary stories about how prominent Black people were unable to get taxis in New York City or were pulled over by state troopers while driving expensive cars. In effect given certain circumstances we are vulnerable to the same racist bulls**** as poor African Americans and other poor people of color.

And the beat goes on from century to century until America learns to practice what it preaches [equality; freedom; equal treatment under the law; equal access to governmental, health care, and support services etc] or until America is no more.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 09:16 AM

I would like to add an addendum to the above advertisement for "Young White Women".

If you have been previously kidnapped, terrorized, or have had pornographic tapes of yourself with cult members or other minor celebrities made and distributed on the internet or shown on Court TV, please report immediately to the New Orleans Convention Center.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: *daylia*
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 08:29 AM

Well, what do you think of these two Young Black Women getting presidential hugs and kisses? I just wish that for once, just once, words and appearances could be trusted.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 07:26 AM

A minor celebrity like Harry Connick Jr perhaps? ;-)

Good to see Poppagator & family have surfaced. My sister in law was evacuated to Baton Rouge from Xavier/Tulane (along with several hundred others) on Wednesday. It does beg the question: if they could evacuate several hundred people from the university campuses, which are smack dab in the middle of downtown NO, why not others?

Answer: they have middle and upper class advocates outside the region, and the students and staff at the universities aren't perceived as "dangerous and desperate".

Now then, Xavier (where my sister works) is an African American university, and nearly all of the evacuees there were African American. So the only difference between the people there and the people blocks away from them was class. Not race, class.

People need to remember the demographics of the city being 60+% African American, and a country where the poorest urban populations are predominantly African American.

To me, the discrepancies of who is getting evacuated and who isn't has to do with class just as much as it does race. That said, it is impossible not to notice from media coverage that it is African Americans waiving from the rooftops, jammed into the so-called shelters, and frying on the freeway overpasses.

Our family still has a 19 yr old nephew in Biloxi at Keesler Air Force Base who hasn't surfaced yet, so we're a bit nervous about that (though Keesler says there were no injuries on the base).

And we have another nephew and his wife--he is a paramedic, she an EMT--who should be arriving at the New Orleans airport right about now, who signed on to do a two week shift at the makeshift MASH/triage unit there. I shudder to think of what they will see. They will be changed people by the time they come home.

BTW, I don't think I've ever detested Dubya more than I do right now.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: Paul Burke
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 06:47 AM

You can get another guitar, another house, another change of clothes.

We can't get another you.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: rumanci
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 06:15 AM

PG
I am so glad you and yours are safe .......that is the most important thing
:-D
rum x

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 06:02 AM

Well, I suppose that saves you the trouble of flogging it on eBay... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: PoppaGator
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 02:56 AM

My family and I are OK, many miles north of the devastation. Everything we owned except for two or three changes of clothes is almost certainly gone forever, including one of our two cars and ~ shame on me! ~ my guitar.

Our house is probably standing, but definitely full of sewage and mud, and as likely as not crushed by a fallen tree or two. We bought the place because of its wonderfully shady lot with four very huge and very old trees all over 100 feet high ~ three pecans and a "bull" pine whose trunk is/was so big I coudn't get my arms even half-way around it.

In a month or so, we might be able to get back there to see what actually happened. The main living area is a full story above the ground, in a part of town that is relatively high, so our belongings just might have stayed above the high water mark ~ if not stolen or vandalized by looters, or slammed by a tree trunk or two.

It's actually kind of liberating to cut loose of all that stuff and start a new life from scratch. Or it would be if I was a few years younger, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: alanabit
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 02:39 AM

I am glad to hear you are safe. I know it must have been registered somewhere else here, but the Cat has beeen down so often that I missed it. For me, your post is good news by virtue of being there at all.
I guess that extreme situations bring out the best and the worst in people. News editors seem to either want pictures of evil bandits roaming with guns, or of cute, white girls with fluffy dogs, as this ironical gag of yours suggests. It is what happens when you have a media industry instead of a media service.

Subject: BS: Young White Women! Serve your country
From: PoppaGator
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 01:39 AM

Forwarded to me by my brother. Pretty funny, but no so funny when you thiink about it:

Wanted: Young White Women To Sit On Roofs In New Orleans

by wamland

Wed Aug 31st, 2005 at 04:30:20 PDT

It is time to step up for your country and your city, "Young White Women".
Everyone knows that the media and the population will only get involved and therefore push the government to get involved in any serious rescue attempts if they are given the face of a "Young White Woman" to identify with.

Therefore I am proposing that 100 "Young White Women" be airlifted onto rooftops in New Orleans and then videotaped being rescued by boat and helicopter.  Perhaps then the country will demand that the federal government speed a thousand helicopters to the scene to rescue the rest of those on their roofs and then seal up the levee and stop the inevitable flooding of the rest of the city.

If the "Young White Women" can bring a small dog or perhaps be a minor celebrity that would be even better.