BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: GUEST,Fedayeen Saddam
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 11:11 PM

Al quaeda fully endirses this thread. Keep up the good work.
You will be rewarded with 70 virgins.
If you are female you get to be one of the virgins (again)

FS

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 06:13 PM

Will US citizens accept the UN sanctioning the occupation of the USA by China to help quell the food riots in the future?

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 08:44 AM

Little Hawk - PM
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 12:28 PM
When Great Bitain was in Iraq in the 20's they put down a rebellion by Iraqis against British colonial occupation (done mostly for the oil). RAF warplanes slaughtered thousands and thousands of Iraqis, machine-gunning and bombing villages and people riding around on camels and horses. Barely a single British life was lost. That was terrorism on a massive basis. The same sort of thing happens now.

Little Hawk - PM
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 03:08 PM

The British colonial effort in Iraq before WWII also failed, despite the fact that the British could kill at least 100 Iraqis for every British soldier lost.

Clear illustration of how poor a reader of history you are Little Hawk. Make up your mind according to your statements above the British either killed thousands and thousands of Iraqi's in the twenties in which case hundreds and hundreds of British lives were lost, or the British didn't kill any Iraqis.

Certainly some were killed in the various uprisings but nowhere near thousands and thousands, thats crap. If you disagree put up some references to back up your statements. Bomber Harris's memoirs cover this period of British History rather well at it certainly does not tally with what you are suggesting.

Another point you mention that is also complete and utter rubbish is reference to Iraq being under "British colonial occupation", just as the current presence of MNF in Iraq today is sanctioned by the UN, the British presence in Iraq during the 1920's was at the request of, and sanctioned by, the League of Nations.

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 05:05 PM

Lo, though I walk through the Valley of The Shadow of Evil, I shall fear no Evil Bastard, for I am the Meanest Son of a Bitch in the valley - I have been coached by experts who have done unto me first.

Old Age and Experience beats Youth and Enthusiasm every time.

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: GUEST,A
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 08:12 PM

"nasty attacks on me" What might (A is for A******) be?

Foolestroupe, which is no more meaningful to me than A, B, C, etc., you are either very thin skinned or paranoid. I will now leave you to your own devices. Maintain a relationship with that Bobert fellow, you both seem to enjoy somewhat similar characteristics.

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 06:34 PM

Ad hominen attacks on me by a GUEST are almost always likely to just get them back in response. After all they are only a GUEST, and I can't tell them apart, since they can post under ANY GUEST id they want at any particular time. If you are dingo enough to anonymously contribute to a public discussion by means of ad hominen attacks, then that is obviously the way you wish to be treated, and I won't bother to respect you as a human being.

I do try to be a nice guy, but if someone thinks they can hide behind anonymity and make nasty attacks on me, then they don't know that I am prepared to wait until someone who gloats over being nasty to me dies, so I can dig the bastard up and piss on him!

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: GUEST,A
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 11:04 AM

Come on, a little sense of humor here. okay?
I don't require the bolstering as demostrated when I ignored Foolestroupe and his (A is for A******). To me, that meant he did not have an intellectual reply available.

Speaking of "raging and insecure little ego", are you not attempting the same type of diagnosis as Senator Frist did with Terry Schiavo?
In your case, without the video tape. Always had the policy of checking the ego at the door.

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: GUEST,Egobusters
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 10:41 AM

"I have once again met people who make me feel good about myself."

Yes, that's what every raging and insecure little ego is constantly looking for...other people it can look down on and fight with about stuff. That is how the ego bolsters its own precarious sense of identity, after all.

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 08:14 AM

Foolestroupe,

someone who posts A is for A****** about the Mudcat moniker of another poster and complains about ad hominem attacks in the same thread sounds a tiny bit hypocritical.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: GUEST,A
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 07:52 AM

After the last 3 posts, I don't know where to begin - so I won't and meet the gang for breakfast instead. (I think today is Thursday)

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 04:44 AM

"come to a site hosted for free by an American, built by other Americans over a long period of time, and bash America."

Ad Hominen attack, not related to the topic. A lot of non-USA people have contributed strongly to the growth of this site. That narrow mionded attitude expresses teh problem with the USA as seen by non-Americans very well.


"no damage control from here. I really don't give a damn."

Then why bother posting at all?


"Are you into Islam and want to cover up the atrocities of your brethern presently occuring in most parts of the World?***1
Susan, some are to be pitied more than censored. Their ability to perceive things correctly leaves much to be desired. ***2
Example; an item of much discussion for a long period of time and part of the beginning of this thread is refered to as 'Abu Grade?' ***3"

3 more nice ad hominen attacks.

***1 This is a religious attack - what if I am an athiest? :-)

***2 Correctly, but only as YOU define it.

***3 I do make typos - my MMD and recent micro strokes DO have an effect you know...

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 04:22 AM

Those who try to ignore some things will be confronted by them in the end.... and that's where they probably deserve it...

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 10:10 PM

Yeah, the War on Terrorism should start on an all out assualt on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.... That is the source of 90% of it... The rest, includin bin Laden', is small potatoes...

Thin about it... Bin laden killed 3,000... Bush has killed over 100,000 with no end in sight... And most of these folks were jus' regular folks, old folks, moms and kids...

You do the math...

George Bush should be tried and convicted as a war criminal... He has not only invaded Iraq fir no good reason but he continues to order the torture of Iraq'a that the US military has rounded up...

This ain't the American way... This is what Hitler did... Don't like the continued comparision of Bush and Hitler... Quit supportin' Bush.... OPure and simple.... You are either part of the problem or part of the solution... Asd far as I'm concerned if you support Bush, you are a terrorist!!!

Go ask some Iragi kid who witnessed his mom gettin' blown the heck up by the US military....

Go ask the mom who watched her kid get blown up....

This ain't even worth discussin' here... The Bush administration is outta control.... Yeah, they thought it would be a nice little political trick to hold power in the '04 election but it's now stinkin' up the world....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: GUEST,A
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 09:50 PM

This was such a waste of my time - however, not a total waste as I have once again met people who make me feel good about myself.

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: Grab
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 08:01 PM

Oh, and while I remember, most of the "nice Americans" have got a pretty good idea of the situation themselves. Thanks for the info about the show, but it could have been presented less confrontationally...

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 07:35 PM

You have said most of my thoughts on the matter Little Hawk.

You omitted to add that one of the biggest opponents the USA may yet have may be 'Gaia' - the earth itself - as natural disasters will cost the USA big time. War is a battle of economic attrition. Bit hard to fight back against hurricanes, tornadoes, and other ecological disasters.

The biggest driver in any war is always the rich guys, who manage to make profit from both sides. The 'USA big boys of business' will just move on to the next place to make riches: they are already moving into China.

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 03:08 PM

I'll agree to that... ;-)

On the other hand, when Pancho has more guns than Cisco, Pancho don' care what Cisco thinks! What Cisco must then do is round up enough other people who are also mad at Pancho and willing to do something about it. A posse. Presently Pancho finds out that he doesn't have quite enough guns to deal with the situation that his bad attitude has created.

That's what happened to Adolf Hitler, back around late '41. There is a point where one's own propensity to international terrorism can get one into a whole lot of trouble.

Given the fact that the USA is already so tied down in Iraq and Afghanistan that their military is becoming badly strained, their position is becoming rather vulnerable in the strategic sense and in the financial sense. Those factors will, I think, lead to the eventual failure of their aggressive foreign policy...as happened in Vietnam. It'll be a different course of events in many ways, but this so-called "War on Terrorism", like the "War on Drugs" or the "War on Poverty" will prove to be a failure.

The British colonial effort in Iraq before WWII also failed, despite the fact that the British could kill at least 100 Iraqis for every British soldier lost. The Americans lost 57,000 men in return for about 3 million dead Asians. In the end, it's usually the locals who win, not the foreign invaders...unless what is occuring is not mere colonialism...but massive immigration into new lands (as occurred over a 400 year period when the Europeans took over North America and destroyed the Native American societies in so doing).

Well, I don't think 20 or 30 million Americans are going to emigrate to Iraq and Afghanistan. LOL! Not going to happen. Accordingly, the American military occupation of those lands will fail. I expect it will fail within 5 years or less.

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: Barry Finn
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 02:17 PM

If 1 person tells you "you're an ass, just shrug it off" if 2 people tell you the same thing, you might want to stop & consider if a large amount of people are trying to tell you "you're an ass" you better start checking out your own shit, seriously.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 12:28 PM

Well, all aggressive military powers commit terrorism, and the biggest ones do it on the biggest scale. The USA just happens to be the biggest one right now, so they get the most attention. This is normal. It's not nice, but it's normal.

When Great Bitain was in Iraq in the 20's they put down a rebellion by Iraqis against British colonial occupation (done mostly for the oil). RAF warplanes slaughtered thousands and thousands of Iraqis, machine-gunning and bombing villages and people riding around on camels and horses. Barely a single British life was lost. That was terrorism on a massive basis. The same sort of thing happens now.

If China becomes the next great power...and they probably will...then the mantle of leading world terrorist will pass to them, and God knows what they will do. What they did in Tibet was not nice at all.

As for Stalin, he committed mass terrorism on his OWN citizens, killing about 20 million, I think it was.

"Terrorists" like the Arabs and Palestinians who blow themselves up with car bombs and stuff like that are the bit players in this arena of destructive activity. They have the will, but not the funds or equipment, to match the terrorism accomplished by great powers.

The USA's foremost exercise in terrorism may have been the Vietnam War, because it resulted in the death of about 3 million Vietnamese, plus a whole lot of Cambodians and some other people in the region, and it led to the rise of the Khymer Rouge who killed half the people in Cambodia. Now THAT's terrorism.

All aggressive military powers are guilty of it. Governments are the biggest terrorists by far.

The USA just happens to have the most firepower and the will to use it at the moment. That is why a lot of people in the World are upset with the USA. It is not particularly a judgement upon ordinary Americans, just on their government's policies. Ordinary Americans don't control their government, they just vote for 2 phony political parties who then control it FOR them, and there's nothing they can really do about it, short of armed revolution and a complete overthrow of the $ySStem, and that's not going to happen. Things aren't bad enough yet in hometown America for that to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: GUEST,A
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 08:56 AM

Foolestrope, no damage control from here. I really don't give a damn.
While we (USA) certainly have our share of faults, there is so much false (think madeup) or exaggerated reporting (think CIA outing) going on that I find no reason to get exicited or even concerned until time has past and all the facts come out.

Are you into Islam and want to cover up the atrocities of your brethern presently occuring in most parts of the World?

Susan, some are to be pitied more than censored. Their ability to perceive things correctly leaves much to be desired.
Example; an item of much discussion for a long period of time and part of the beginning of this thread is refered to as "Abu Grade?"

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 07:50 AM

Sure, come to a site hosted for free by an American, built by other Americans over a long period of time, and bash America. Smirk while you take every cheap shot you can-- and why not? It doesn't cost you anything, and you will be sure to get all the attention you crave.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: Grab
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 07:46 AM

Transcript's up.

FWIW, most of the world does *not* hate America. What they hate are the US military, and the US government who took no action when it was found out that this was institutional within the US military.

Graham.

PS. "Abu Ghraib", not "Grade".

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 07:14 AM

I wish it was just a Halloween prank,robomatic...

Ah - GUEST (A is for A******) is obviously trying 'damage control' earlier than last time when I posted a reference to US soldiers burning terrorist's bodies a few weeks back... He must be working for the CIA... :-)


This sort of news used to be very hard to find in Australia - one used to have to read 'underground papers' back in the 70's - now Aussie reporters (and those from other countries) are stumbling over it all the time...

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: GUEST,A
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 07:05 AM

Yes, I am a nice American.
No, I could care less "why the rest of the world hates the USA."

Besides, I think the hate America concept is overdone and not nearly as bad as some would like to think.

The era of negativity - and who better to go after?

Subject: RE: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 07:02 AM

You're over a week late. . .

You forgot to say "BOO!"

Subject: BS: USA - International Terrorist!!!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 06:45 AM

Are you a nice American, puzzled by why the rest of the world seems to hate the USA?

http://news.sbs.com.au/dateline/

Tonight's show - 9th Nov - has 2 interesting segments, one about Abu Grade, and one about the CIA kidnapping someone from Italy. A number of arrest warrants and extradition requests have been initiated.

Be patient, the show has just gone to air, it takes a few hours for the transcripts to pop up.

Robin