Crack down on song and lyric sites

Subject: RE: Crack down on song and lyric sites
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 03:39 PM

Bill D,
    It has been my experience that there is nodoby too small for the big money people to bully.

Stephen Lee

Subject: RE: Crack down on song and lyric sites
From: GUEST,Scotchman
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 11:50 AM

Donovan is a culprit. Threatening emails were sent to his own fan sites to remove lyric or else.

Subject: RE: Crack down on song and lyric sites
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 10:27 AM

about Mudcat....several years ago, the Song Police wrote Max and demanded that he pay or desist from hosting 'protected' lyrics.....after some back & forth in which Max worked kinda hard to get THEM to specify what lyrics they were concerned about, we finally showed that MOST of the DT was either trad., or approved. I think there were a very few songs which were removed, but a number of artists/authors specifically wrote permissions to have their stuff here!

I suppose it's possible the issue could arise again, but we are pretty small potatoes in this struggle.

Subject: Sharing Lyrics & Tablature now illegal!!
From: woodsie
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 07:49 AM

Now I hear that he fat, greedy, cigar puffing, brandy swilling music publishing shitheads are going to start a campaign against Tablature and song lyrics being shared freely on the web. See this link BBC News

Subject: RE: Crack down on song and lyric sites
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 06:25 AM

Swapping the words is probably covered by "fair use".

Subject: RE: Crack down on song and lyric sites
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 12:07 AM

More immediately, what happens to site like this one inwhich we ask one another for words and chords to various songs?

Stephen Lee

Subject: RE: Crack down on song and lyric sites
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Dec 05 - 09:27 PM

Well if a farmer who saves his own organic seed and have it unwillingly polluted by genetically modified seed and be successfully sued for property theft, then why not, Greycap?

Subject: RE: Crack down on song and lyric sites
From: GUEST,Greycap
Date: 09 Dec 05 - 10:55 AM

What if you learn it from a friend by sitting down and playing along with him until you know it? ( It's called practice) - can the bastards sue us then?

Subject: RE: Crack down on song and lyric sites
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Dec 05 - 10:55 AM

What about the singers who enclose a booklet with the words of all their songs inside the record/CD sleeve?
I was looking at the Buffy St Marie site that is linked in the threads, and that gives the words of all the songs she recorded, not just her own songs, where does that stand in the light of this crackdown?
Giok

Subject: RE: Crack down on song and lyric sites
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 09 Dec 05 - 10:53 AM

I read the BBC article. It would be a good one to take to English class as an example of careless and inflammatory journalism.

For example, the references to:

guitar licks - does the reporter even know what a guitar lick is? many licks have been around for a long time

the move - what move was that, exactly?

jail time - judges don't put people in prison just because rich white men want them to. There are sentencing guidelines in the law. What do they say?

Meanwhile, I can understand music publishers wanting to be paid for their product. If the issue is money, why don't they work out a way to get money from the websites? Duh!

Subject: RE: Crack down on song and lyric sites
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Dec 05 - 10:46 AM

If I am reading it correctly, they are mostly interested in those sites offering "sheet music?" Wonder if they will go after the BBC's virtual sessions tunebook...oh, yeah, those are all trad.LOL

I would not like to see my brother's classical scores suddenly available for download, but that is NOT where most of the money comes from anyway; that, and they are huge anyway.

Any songwriter should have the right to make their stuff available, if they so desire, regardless of what their publisher may say.

This will be interesting to watch. That fellow seems a little over the top, hoping to throw in jail time, too. Wonder what kind of percentages he is sued to sharing with the songwriters/composers. Self-publishing eliminates poeple like him. The writer/website owner of No Media Kings has some interesting stuff to say about leaving a major publishing hosue to self-publish his own books. Not music, but still relative, imo.

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: Crack down on song and lyric sites
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 09 Dec 05 - 10:46 AM

I don't have much sympathy for publishers. How many people like me have bought piss poor Anthologies by famous musicians where all the songs have been "arranged" using only C F and G chords!!

Subject: RE: Crack down on song and lyric sites
From: Splott Man
Date: 09 Dec 05 - 10:19 AM

Yeah, let's stop people singing other people's songs altogether.

I would support this action if I thought it meant "lesser" artistes getting their fair share, but in my experience this is about bolstering the position of the already successful artistes.
Songwriters I know (even moderately successful ones) are happy to share their lyrics, and are honoured and flattered that other people want to do their songs.

Subject: Crack down on song and lyric sites
From: mooman
Date: 09 Dec 05 - 09:53 AM

Just spotted on today's

BBC Website

a piece about publishers threatening action, including imprisonment, on sites carrying lyrics, chords, tabs, etc. Discussed before here I know but posted for information.

Peace

moo