BS: Child Predators

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Dec 05 - 08:49 AM

Dean would profit well from your advice dianavan. He is an old soul and has knowledge that exceeds personal experience.
Robert however is brand new. He does not have the innate database that his maternal ancestors on my side had. Robert needs linier hard and fast rules.

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: dianavan
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 07:47 PM

Tell your kids to trust their feelings.

If it feels 'icky', it probably is 'icky'.

Also tell them to tell someone they trust if they have been abused. If that person doesn't believe them, keep telling until someone does believe them.

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 06:26 PM

I have found that children make very good predators. It's more about fun than food for them, they present much less area to the quarry, they have smaller feet and their joints don't creak.

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: Peace
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 06:18 PM

Interesting show I watched on TV a few years back. Children--aproximately 8-10 years old--were given the info on abduction and inappropriate touching, etc. They were taught in a two-hour (?) course all the things to look out for and the types of situations to avoid. The children were filmed after the course. An actor called various kids over to him when they were leaving the building (if I recall, to his car) and of the dozen or so kids who'd gone through the training, all but two fell for it. The other two moved away and/or called for help in a loud voice. FYI.

It is hard to overcome societal 'rules' of behaviour--respect adults, do as you're told, etc--and then undo that with admonishments and warnings.

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 06:12 PM

Magnificently good point, Guest. It is because the stranger is unknown that people fear the stranger so. They are far more likely to be killed by someone they know well. It is in knowing people for long periods of time that the personal issues and stresses arise which can lead to extreme violence.

Nevertheless, if one stranger kills a child...well...you will be sure hear about it in the media. Bigtime. Because people fear the unknown, and that makes it get major attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 06:03 PM

GUEST right on

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 05:59 PM

In America, 5000 children a year are killed by their parents, 2000 by guns and only about 50 by strangers. teach them to be wary of parents first, guns second and strangers hardly at all seems to be the reality of the situation.
oh, and of course a few thousand by the government.

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: open mike
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 03:27 PM

i saw a really bizarre news clip yesterday about
a caller impersonating a poice officer that got
people (adults) to do abusive things to each other
by giving instructions over the phones. This has
happened at dozens of fast food restaurants.

People are at risk everywhere of getting snared.

one fellow has been arrested and it has stopped.

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 02:13 PM

Thanks!
Last week on MSNBC they had a show where they planted some messages supposedly from 13 year old kids on the internet that said take off your clothes in the garage and meet me in the kitchen. They filmed many guys (some naked) whose jobs involved dealing with juveniles. One was a rabbi and I think some may have been a teachers.

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: open mike
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 02:02 PM

I am going to put some links here for programs in Child Abuse Prevention Programs CAPP. There are some guidelines that are used in elementary education The title (and the goal) is to help kids be
Safe, Strong and Free.
"the Child Assault Prevention Program (CAPP), an international program that began in 1978. CAPP is under the auspices of the National Assault Prevention Center and is currently implemented in 32 states and 10 other countries."

http://www.ncap.org/

http://www.ebac.org/508/programs/school/cap.asp

http://www.volunteersolutions.org/vcswfc/org/opp/235728-detailed.html

http://www.napac.org.uk/support/groups/detail.asp?id=29

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: Deda
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 01:44 PM

The really bad news is that some of them are probably teachers.

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 01:44 PM

My first and foremost advise to the kids was to not get into a position where a child predator could get them.

Sadly there is a neighbor lady who is often on the edge of sudden anxiety attacks. I now avoid her since she bursts into to tears at the drop of a hat. She warned us to not let our kids play in the front yard etc. Prior to my knowing her condition, I suggested that she should feel free to let her same aged son as Dean play together at our house whenever its convenient, she freaked out. It seems she subsequently inferred that I might be a child predator to other mothers in the neighborhood but was dismissed by most people who considered the source. I believe a stay at home dad faces more suspicion than a dozen openly negligent and abusive mothers, but that may just be how the gender gap works.

People are justifiably scared that predators are lurking everywhere but it seems to me the threat does not nearly equal that of traffic accidents.

There are websites that have local convicted sex offender addresses that can be checked but it seems to me that can be of little practical help. A sex offender released for only 2 days raped and murdered a boy in Gaithersburg a couple years back. The killer did not even have an address.

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 01:38 PM

In some cases, probably. But I bet a good half of them became office workers, salesmen, even managers...and are now making their families and associates miserable.

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 01:36 PM

LH:

20 to life?

John

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 01:19 PM

A fair number of the children I met in school could have been described as predators. They sought out the weak, the vulnerable, those who seemed like easy prey. I wonder what they are doing now?

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 12:49 PM

Don, I think it was a joke-- a child who is a predator, from your thread title.

Yesterday I taught my kids about child predators

First, this cannot be taught in one day, and you can never be sure it HAS been taught. The parents of any victimized child will tell you that they thought their kids "knew" what to do and not to do, too.

Remember, teaching them via fear will not make them safe against skilled predators who attract via reassurance-- they simply don't act "scary." Teaching your kids to fear people is the last thing that will keep them safe. Teach them to be smart and powerful, and to trust their gut feelings.

But you still have to be watchful, yourself. These people lie awake at night dreaming up the tricks to get around any training children are given. Sadly, they devote more time and thought to catching kids than we do, to keep them from being caught. We all have the responsibility of supervising our kids closely-- it's OUR job to keep them safe, more than it's THEIR job.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 12:39 PM

Its relative. Henry Hyde said his "Youthful indescretions" occurred when he was 45.

but I think age has little to do with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 12:05 PM

How young do you have to be to qualify as a child predator?

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 11:08 AM

yawn....

Subject: RE: BS: Child Predators
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 10:45 AM

dark humour indeed

Subject: BS: Child Predators
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 09:25 AM

Yesterday I taught my kids about child predators, what not to do, what to do etc.
It went rather well. My 9 year old said he would be a child predator predator ie fight and run.

Here is a poster I did that I invite people with good intentions to display where ever it may do the most good.

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/life.jpg