BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 08:52 PM

"Just don't play with other people's lives. If you endanger no one but yourself, you can cut all the corners you want. "

Yes Sir, Mr President Bush...

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: 282RA
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 08:03 PM

Just don't play with other people's lives. If you endanger no one but yourself, you can cut all the corners you want.

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 06:44 PM

Every case is unique, and you judge it on its own merits...or you act like a robot, and follow the book.

Either way, mistakes can and will be made. I'm just fed up with people who live "by the book", that's all. I've seen way too many of those jarheads in this life already.

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: 282RA
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 06:35 PM

>>Heh! Most hijackers and bombers have ID on them, do they not? Have there been any yet who didn't? Gosh! If I was going to hijack or bomb a plane I really don't think I'd try to board it carrying no ID. No sirree. That would be just downright stupid.<<

Someone else brought it up. If he left his wallet at home, how's going to pay for anything?? I keep my ATM card in mine, I keep my money in mine. Without that, how can you go anywhere? Maybe because he doesn't intend on coming back--if you know what I mean. We ran into this same thing with Richard Reid the shoe-bomber. A dirty-looking guy wants to board a plane with a one-way ticket and no luggage--does that sound right to you? Sure enough, he never intended to come back either.

People's lives are depending on you doing your job and I would have told that guy, "I'm sorry, sir, but you have to have the proper ID before I can let you board this plane." Just because an organized terrorist would have ID doesn't mean a nutcase will. How does anyone know that guy didn't just kill his entire family before he left for the airport and intended to take out as many others as he could when he committed suicide?

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Maryrrf
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 06:26 PM

When he got off the plane the company had a prepaid car service already there to pick him up. He came to the office for a meeting and lunch was served, so he didn't have to buy any food. He had a company limo take him back to the airport that same evening to fly back to South Carolina. So Foghorn Leghorn didn't need any money.

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 06:23 PM

What did he do after he got off the plane? Well, I guess that would depend on whether there was someone there to meet him, and a whole bunch of other factors, wouldn't it? If he got on knowing he didn't have his wallet, one would have to assume he had in mind something to do about it when he arrived at his destination....otherwise, why would he even go there?

The whole thing sounds like a moderately good premise for a comedy film, actually....as a way of starting it off.

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Willie-O
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 05:49 PM

I don't care if he (Foghorn Leghorn) got on the plane or not...what I'm curious about is what he did after he got off the plane.

Did he get into a taxi and show the taxi driver his business brochure or whatever???? How did he even make a phone call? On my planet we have this stuff called money...comes in different forms, but you need it to exchange for goods and services...

Letting someone avoid regular security procedures because of their appearance...I've had some experience with that. A few years ago when I worked in a Canadian Tire (hardware store), the power tools were kept in locked cabinets and we were supposed to walk them to the cash for the customer. Christmas season, this respectable middle-aged guy wants an expensive multi-tool which we don't have, so he settled for the Black & Decker consumer model. What the hell, I think to myself, it's busy and the guy looks OK, I hand it to him and go do something else.

An hour later the entire staff of the store is gathered around the paint counter getting our "X-mas greetings" picture taken, I am mixing paint for a customer and it's not coming out right, when the
general manager comes up and shows me the wrapper for a Black & Decker multi-tool which was found on the floor somewhere....I have a sudden flash that the guy LOOKED perfectly respectable...in fact he was a dead ringer for Tony Soprano!

W-O

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 04:54 PM

Jesus Christ! ...

I thought he didn't exist 282?

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: leeneia
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 04:43 PM

You can't make dynamite go off without a blasting cap or something similar. Dynamite by itself in luggage will not blow a hole in the side of a plane.

However, I have no symphathy for the guy who packed it in his luggage. He probably spent the previous 19 of his 21 years in front of a TV or computer and has no grip on the real world. His punishment should be to be put in a departure lounge for several hours with all the people he inconvenienced. He would start growing up real fast.

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 04:02 PM

Heh! Most hijackers and bombers have ID on them, do they not? Have there been any yet who didn't? Gosh! If I was going to hijack or bomb a plane I really don't think I'd try to board it carrying no ID. No sirree. That would be just downright stupid.

Is the tail wagging the dog or is the dog wagging the tail or are they both irrelevant?

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 03:15 PM

>>"It's a 21-year-old kid not paying careful attention to the press and thinking it would be cool to have a piece of dynamite," Howard Fish, of Old Lyme, Conn., said Friday night.<<

Jesus Christ! 21 is an adult, for Christ's sake, not a friggin 10-year-old. He should be charged and sent to prison if convicted. that was extremely dangerous and he should certainly know that by 21. If not, a little prison will drive the message home.

Moreover, it is unacceptable to let a passenger fly with no ID. Under no circumstances should that EVER be allowed. Can you imagine if the guy blew up the plane or hijacked it and it was discovered they let the bastard on the flight with NO friggin ID?? Imagine what a dumbass you'd feel like telling America, "Well, he was white and talked like Foghorn Leghorn, I mean, what are the odds?"

In the military if you let someone do something unauthorized and you get caught and you say that you figured someone else MUST have checked him out to make sure he was legit, you will receive this response: "WELL, YOU FIGURED WRONG, ASSHOLE!!!"

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Maryrrf
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 03:00 PM

"I doubt the security folks would have let an Arab American through with just that unsupported documentation"

I'm sure part of the reason he was allowed on the plane was that he has a thick southern accent and really does look the part of an insurance salesman. But of course there is home grown terrorism too - look at Timothy Mcveigh. LH has a point, but I just find it mind boggling how the "official line" is so strict and in reality there are just so many exceptions and loopholes. I'm still shocked they let the guy fly with no ID whatsoever.

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 02:52 PM

Recently, I had to go to SC and passed thru a metal detector at Detroit Metro airport with 2 sets of keys in my pocket and a bunch of change but never set off the alarm and a guard was directing me to step thru. Needless to say, I have no faith in airport security.

As for this latest security measure, couldn't you as easily set off an explosive with the in-flight phone?

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 01:50 PM

There's no way you aren't going to have some racial profiling going on. People are human, and they tend to make judgements based on general levels of probability.

It's annoying and quite disturbing for those innocent people who are affected by it, but it is nevertheless inevitable that it will happen...not just in the USA, but everywhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 12:24 PM

Nope. I looked it up. Here's the story:

Officials probe dynamite in luggage on Houston-bound flight
by KRISTEN HAYS, Associated Press

HOUSTON - U.S. and Argentine authorities were investigating how a stick of dynamite in a college student's checked luggage ended up on a Houston-bound flight, one of seven security incidents that disrupted U.S. flights in a day.

There was no indication terrorism was involved in any of the incidents, which caused two flights to be diverted, others to be delayed and passengers to be questioned.

The dynamite was discovered during a baggage search in an inspection station at Bush Intercontinental Airport shortly after Continental Airlines Flight 52 from Argentina landed early Friday.

Argentina's chief of airport security police, Marcelo Sain, said in a televised interview Friday that authorities there were in contact with U.S. officials as they opened their own probe into how the explosive got into the baggage.

The student, 21-year-old Howard McFarland Fish, was charged with carrying an explosive aboard an aircraft and was in the custody of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Houston Fire Department Assistant Chief Omero Longoria said Fish told authorities he works in mining and often handles explosives.

Fish's father, Howard, said he is certain his son, who bought the dynamite while visiting a silver mine while traveling in South America, intended no harm.

"It's a 21-year-old kid not paying careful attention to the press and thinking it would be cool to have a piece of dynamite," Howard Fish, of Old Lyme, Conn., said Friday night.

The younger Fish attends Lafayette College in Easton, Pa.

The U.S. Attorney's Office in Houston said he would appear before a federal magistrate Monday. Carrying an explosive aboard an aircraft carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000.

The incident could have been disastrous and raises questions about security in overseas airports, said Bill Waldock, aviation safety professor at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Arizona, adding that dynamite can be unstable if it's old.

"You're in a pressurized airplane, you get a detonation in the cargo hold, it could blow a hole in the airplane big enough to bring it down," he said.

In other incidents:

_ An American Airlines flight from England to Chicago was forced to land in Bangor, Maine, after federal officials "learned of a reported threat," FBI spokeswoman Gail Marcinkiewicz said. Marcinkiewicz said no one was arrested but declined to say if anyone from the flight out of Manchester was in custody.

_ A US Airways jet was diverted to Oklahoma City's Will Rogers World Airport after a federal air marshal subdued a disruptive passenger who had pushed a flight attendant, the FBI said.

The passenger was undergoing a mental evaluation, and authorities had yet to determine what criminal charges he might face. The twin-engine jet returned to flight three hours later on its trip from Phoenix to Charlotte, N.C.

_ A Continental Airlines flight from Corpus Christi, Texas, to Bakersfield, Calif., was held in El Paso, one of its scheduled stops, after the crew discovered a missing panel in the lavatory, authorities said.

_ A utility knife was found on a vacant passenger seat of a US Airways flight that had traveled from Philadelphia to Bradley International Airport in Connecticut, state police said. No arrests were made and there were no threats involved, said Master Sgt. J. Paul Vance, state police spokesman.

_ An Aer Lingus flight from New York to Dublin was evacuated Friday morning during a scheduled stopover in western Ireland following a bomb threat that turned out to be unfounded, officials said.

_ A United Airlines flight out of Chicago's O'Hare International Airport was delayed because a small boy said something inappropriate, according to a government official speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information. "He didn't want to fly," the official said.

The Manchester-to-Chicago flight, American Airlines Flight 55, was diverted to Bangor for security reasons, Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Arlene Murray said.

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 11:38 AM

I think the guy on the plane had merely handled dynamite in his work, he didn't actually have any in his luggage.

I wasn't suggesting that the acceptance of his business card was the wrong choice, common sense is always a good skill to keep honed. But it does imply that some racial profiling was probably going on, because I doubt the security folks would have let an Arab American through with just that unsupported documentation.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 08:59 AM

BUT!! Can I take my libido on the plane??? Pretty Please???

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 08:02 AM

Some Toothpastes contain anti-freeze.

Apparently this is a dangerous chemical...

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: open mike
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 04:11 AM

ok i get it peace..ID, EGO, and Super Ego..

check them at the door..

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 02:52 AM

Dead on, Little Hawk!

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: open mike
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 12:38 AM

yeah, but geesh, moments ago the news comae out that there was a stick
of dy-NO-mite found in checked luggage...after the plane had landed..

guy says he's a miner, but........

let's see, was this in Texas...yes, crazy place.

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Peace
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 11:13 PM

No EGO either, I take it?

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Barry Finn
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 11:11 PM

Gee, & I can't even board the bus nor the train to Boston without an ID. Hurhf, I'd rather fly.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 10:28 PM

Sounds more to me like an official using some common sense and basic human intelligence for a change instead of acting like a robot and going "by the (damn) book".

Hooray! I wish there was a lot more of that in this world.

I would've let him on the plane too. Do you honestly think that dangerous people and international terrorists are not capable of getting hold of and carrying convincing-looking ID when they're planning to blow up a plane?

Subject: RE: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 09:50 AM

Meanwhile, you're throwing out your shampoo and cream rinse at the gate, right? It doesn't make much sense, it never has.

SRS

Subject: BS: Passenger allowed on plane with no ID
From: Maryrrf
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 09:41 AM

We had a man who flew to our office on business - he went in and out in one day from someplace in South Carolina to Richmond, VA. When he got to the airport he realized that he had no ID with him, no driver's licence, no credit card (he'd left his wallet at home), nothing. All he had was his printed out itinerary, some business papers, and an insurance leaflet with his name and picture (he's an insurance agent). He was allowed on the plane by simply showing the insurance leaflet with his name and picture on it - not once, but twice! So much for airport security. Granted, he looks and sounds very much like Foghorn Leghorn and it would be hard to imagine him blowing up the plane, but frankly I was shocked that he was allowed to travel with no ID.