ADD: men and boys (sing for joy?)- Personent Hodie

Subject: Lyr Req: men and boys (sing for joy?)
From: leeneia
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 11:05 AM

A couple or five years ago, there was a thread on an old Christmas song that started with "Men and boys sing..." Maybe it was "Men and boys sing for joy..."

I've searched the DT and the Forum, and can't find it. The words are a translation of a very old song in Latin. I have the tune.

Does anybody know these lyrics or how to find them? The song has a verse about the wise men, and I would like to do it at our Three Kings party on Jan 1st.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: men and boys (sing for joy?)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 11:08 AM

Can you send the tune for me to post, leeneia?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: men and boys (sing for joy?)
From: leeneia
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 11:23 AM

Yes, but not this morning.

You may know it already, Joe. In the Catholic Breaking Bread book it appeared as "Gift of Love, Burning Bright." It was a song for Easter.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: men and boys (sing for joy?)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 11:32 AM

Closest I can pick from memory is the Zither carol

"Girls and boys, leave your toys, make no noise, kneel at his crib and worship him"

Cheers
Nigel

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: men and boys (sing for joy?)
From: RTim
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 12:15 PM

How about the following...?   Tim Radford

THE BOYS CAROL - (Personent Hodie)

Sing aloud, on this day, Children all
Raise the lay, cheerfully we & they
Hasten to adore thee, sent from highest glory
For us born, born, born x 2
For us born on this morn, of the Virgin Mary

Now a child he is born swathling bands him adorn
Manger bed he’ll not scorn, Ox & ass are near him
We as Lord revere him
And the vain. vain, vain x 2
And the vain powers of hell,
Spoiled of prey now fear him.

From the far Orient, guiding star
Wise men sent, Him to seek
There intent, Lord of all creation
Kneel in adoration.
Gifts of gold, gold, gold x 2
Gifts of gold, frankincense
Myrrh for their oblation.

All must join him in praise,
men & boys voices raised,
On this day of all days,
Angels voices ringing, Christmas tidings bringing.
Join we all, all, all x 2
Join we all Gloria In Excelsis singing.

Piae Cantiones 1582
Words & Trans. Oxford Book of Carols.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: men and boys (sing for joy?)
From: RTim
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 12:46 PM

A rough studio mix............

https://soundcloud.com/tim-radford/the-boys-carol-personent-hodie


Tim Radford

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: men and boys (sing for joy?)
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 03:04 PM

a thread ten years ago leeneia??

/mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=107369

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: men and boys (sing for joy?)
From: mg
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 07:04 PM

here you have my best nice catholic girl latin. the verbs seem to be gerunds or something...but i could be wrong..

1. Personent hodie they something today
Voces puerulae,      voices of boys
Laudantes iucunde praises
Qui nobis est natus, whom to us is born
Summo Deo datus,   to highest God given?
Et de virgineo       and out of the virgin
Ventre procreatus.   The creation ???/ exit ?????

2. In mundo nascitur;   in the world born
Pannis involvitur;    bread ??
Praesepi ponitur   ?
Stabulo brutorum    stable
Rector supernorum; king?
Perdidit spolia
Princeps Infernorum.    Prince of infernos

3. Magi tres venerunt;   three magi worship
Munera offerunt;       they offer ??
Parvulum inquirunt,   they inquire ??
Stellulam sequendo, star something?
Ipsum adorando, this I adore?
Aurum, thus et myrrham    gold, ? frankincense I bet and myrhh
Ei offerendo.    I offer to him

4. Omnes clericuli,   all the clerics
Pariter pueri,      something boys
Cantent ut angeli:    sing in order that angels
'Advenisti mundo:   have come to? The world
Laudes tibi fundo    praise to you I something
Ideo: Gloria      therefore Gloria in heights to God
In excelsis Deo'.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: men and boys (sing for joy?)
From: leeneia
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 10:54 PM

Thanks, all and esp. Freddie. That's not what I remembered, but the lyrics from the 10-year-old thread will serve.

I was reminded of the "men and boys" because I just heard it on the radio in the first line of the song. So I know I'm not imagining it. However, the words above have the 3 Kings, and that's what counts on Jan 1, National Pointless Day.

The tune is Personent Hodie, as any schoolboy knows. :)

Sing aloud, on this day,
Children all, raise the lay,
cheerfully we & they
Hasten to adore thee,
sent from highest glory
For us born, born, born x 2
For us born on this morn,
of the Virgin Mary

Now a child he is born
swaddling bands him adorn
Manger bed he?ll not scorn,
Ox & ass are near him
We as Lord revere him
And the vain. vain, vain x 2
And the vain powers of hell,
Spoiled of prey now fear him.

From the far Orient,
guiding star wise men sent,
Him to seek their intent,
Lords of all creation
Kneel in adoration.
Gifts of gold, gold, gold x 2
Gifts of gold, frankincense
Myrrh for their oblation.

All must join him in praise,
men & boys voices raised,
On this day of all days,
Angel voices ringing,
Christmas tidings bringing.
Join we all, all, all x 2
Join we all Gloria In Excelsis singing.

Now I see that "men and boys" occurs in the last verse. This is going to be fun.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: men and boys (sing for joy?)
From: RTim
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 11:40 PM

Oh - they are the same as I posted..................twice!

Tim

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: men and boys (sing for joy?)
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 03:10 AM

& there is JO's page with a line in the last verse

Men and boys voices raise

http://www.joe-offer.com/folkinfo/forum/1192.html

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: men and boys (sing for joy?)
From: RTim
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 12:59 PM

This the version sung by Noel Sing We Clear on their 4th recording.
Tim Radford

The Boys' Carol
Piae Cantiones, a book of Latin carols compiled in Finland in 1582, gives us The Boys' Carol, with a translation of the original text from Elizabeth Poston's Penguin Book of Christmas Carols.


Let the boys' cheerful noise
Sing today none but joys
Praise aloud, clear and proud,
Praise to Him in chorus,
Given from heaven for us.
Virgin-born, born, born,
Virgin-born, born, born,
Virgin-born, on that morn
Procreated for us.

He who rules heaven and earth
Lies in stall at His birth,
Humble beasts at his feet
See the Light eternal
Vanquish realms infernal.
Satan's done, done, done,
Satan's done, done, done,
Satan's done, God has won
Victory supernal.

Magi come from afar,
See their sun, tiny one,
Follow far little star,
At the crib adoring,
Man to God restoring.
Gold and myrrh, myrrh, myrrh,
Gold and myrrh, myrrh, myrrh,
Gold and myrrh offered there,
Incense for adoring.

Man and boy, join in joy,
Sing as heaven sings for joy,
God this day here doth stay,
Pour we forth the story
Of His might and glory.
So to God, God, God,
So to God, God, God,
So to God, glory be,
In the highest, glory.