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Subject: garryowen From: mike putt Date: 27 Aug 01 - 06:15 PM I'm in trouble again. I have the words to a song called garryowen ( not Sean South )The chorus is "Instead of spa we'll drink brown ale,and pay the reckoning on the nail, no man in debt will go to jail, from Garryowen in glory." I believe that it was the marching song of the 7th cavalry so if anybody knows the tune and chords I will be eternally grateful |
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Subject: Lyr Add: GARRYOWEN From: Sorcha Date: 27 Aug 01 - 06:25 PM Garyowen
Let Bacchus' sons be not dismayed
Instead of spa, we'll drink brown ale
We'll beat the bailiffs out of fun,
Instead of spa, we'll drink brown ale
Our hearts so stout have got no fame
Instead of spa, we'll drink brown ale |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: mike putt Date: 27 Aug 01 - 06:30 PM Sorcha, do you know the tune |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: Sorcha Date: 27 Aug 01 - 06:32 PM Oh, yea, I'm sure it's at JC's, just a sec.......Garryowen, take your pick. "G" gives you sheet music, "M" gives you Midi (sound) file. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: Mark Cohen Date: 27 Aug 01 - 07:54 PM This tune was used as the opening theme to the movie "Little Big Man". I wonder if it has any history with Custer's campaign? Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 27 Aug 01 - 07:55 PM Chief musician Brockenshire of the 7th Cavalry rewrote the music and composed verses praising the 7th Cavalry, but they are not very inspirational, to say the least. There are unapproved verses which I can't recall. Does anyone out there have a better memory? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: Sorcha Date: 27 Aug 01 - 07:59 PM I don't know about the re write, but I have always heard that Garryowen was the 7th Cav marching song, until the Greasy Grass. 7th Cav lost so badly that the marching song was changed to Gal I Left Behind. What I posted are the words I have always heard to the tune. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 27 Aug 01 - 09:04 PM See also, amongst many previous discussions here: GARRYOWEN (DT file, with tune) ...and so on. Most of them contain pretty much the same information, though occasionally someone has had something new to say. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: Gareth Date: 27 Aug 01 - 09:10 PM I suggest that the Native American might well known the Song and Tune - After all they rode away from the Greasy Grass. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: GUEST,Melani Date: 28 Aug 01 - 02:22 PM As far as I know, the Seventh has ever since been known as "the Garry Owen Regiment." I aquired an insignia pin a couple of years ago that shows a horseshoe surrounding a gauntleted hand holding a sword, with a ribbon with the words "Garry Owen." It is the same design as one I unfortunately lost many years ago, which was given to me by a friend of my father's, who wore it on his uniform in the Korean War. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: mike putt Date: 28 Aug 01 - 02:29 PM I am sorted thanks very much to everyone |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: Chicken Charlie Date: 28 Aug 01 - 04:08 PM Try the site www.mandolincafe.com, and I believe you will find a tab. If not, google it, because I have mando tab for it and ergo I got it from the web somewhere. CC |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 28 Aug 01 - 06:31 PM The 7th still uses the tune. Three versions are given in a history of the 1st Sq. 7th US Cavalry. The first is the set of verses by Thomas Moore, 1807 (see posting by Sorcha). The second is the version preferred by the top brass, written by Chief Musician J. O. Brockenshire in 1907 (one that I consider poor). The third is "Sgt Flynn" with the verse that mentions Montana (the most applicable to the 7th Cavalry). There are profane verses as well and those are the ones I would like to see. For the three main versions used by the 7th: www.geocities.com/Pentagon/3917/history.htm#song. The Garryowen Handbook- interesting reading- has the song on p. 26. www.hood.army.mil. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 28 Aug 01 - 06:35 PM The thread cited by Malcolm Douglas includes the posting by Wolfgang Hell of "Sgt. Flynn." I haven't checked it against the one on the military site. |
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Subject: Garryowen From: toadfrog Date: 04 Jul 02 - 05:44 PM The "Garryowen" available on DT ("Let Bacchus' sons be not dismayed")looks like a parody of an Irish patriotic song from the mid-19th Century: Oh Garryowen is gone to rack-- Her blood lies on the outlaw's track-- [?] The night hangs cold, and black, Above the shining river; Yet voices live along her walls, That ring out like old bugle calls, Thro' lonesome streets and ruined halls "Our native land forever!" Then hip hurrah! for Garryowen, For as stands the Treaty stone, Our Irish hearts will bear alone, For Garryowen na glora, The broadside appears to come from the mid 19th Century. And the DT version (quickstep of the 7th Cavalry) looks a whole lot like a parody. In fact, it could hardly be anything else. "Instead of spa, we'll drink brown ale, And pay the reckoning on the nail, No man for debt shall go to jail, From Garryowen in glory! Does anyone know any of the history of this? Garryowen, of course, is the old town of Limerick. Is it perhaps, the part of Limerick where Joseph of Arimathea is said to have landed? Was it named in honor of Saint Gereon? Search for "garryowen" threads |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: greg stephens Date: 04 Jul 02 - 05:53 PM John's yard or garden at a guess. St John perhaps? |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: toadfrog Date: 04 Jul 02 - 06:02 PM Greg: I ask because there is a St. Gereon's church in Cologne. Your version sounds more plausible. Do you know anything about the songs? |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: GUEST Date: 04 Jul 02 - 06:02 PM The song "Garryowen" (a suburb of Limerick) is from the pantomime 'Harlequin Amulet', 1800. The tune was earlier know as "Auld Bessy" (Aird's Airs, vol. 3, 1788). Broadside copies of the song are on the Bodleian Ballads website. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 04 Jul 02 - 07:45 PM Thread 31125 of about a dozen is perhaps the best: Garryowen |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: The Walrus Date: 04 Jul 02 - 08:16 PM Toadfrog, It looks like your "Irish patriotic song" was the parody, it's not unusual with such songs, the prime example is "Dublin in the Green", which is probably more widely known that the original ("Scarlet and the Blue"). Walrus |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: X Date: 04 Jul 02 - 11:46 PM Keep in mind that Custer's men played Garryowen when he butchered my people, oldmen, women, and childern. And after doing so the 7th. cut out the vaginas of the slain and wore them as hats. I know it was war and happened 130 years ago but I cringe everytime I hear the song. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: GUEST,ozmacca Date: 05 Jul 02 - 12:05 AM I believe I read in a number of places that "garryowen" was a favourite in British cavalry regiments for a long time, and was practically an unofficial song for the Light Brigade well before the Crimea... So did the US cavalry pinch it from the Brits, who had adopted it from the music hall / theatre, who based it on an Irish tune? Don't life get complicated? |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 05 Jul 02 - 12:17 AM ozmacca, obviously the US cavalry were latecomers in the use of this 18th century (or older?) tune. A damn good one, so it spread far and wide. The tune was there for the taking, so I don't think you can say anyone "pinched" it. See the other threads with more specific information. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: PeteBoom Date: 05 Jul 02 - 08:43 AM Ah, Banjoest, indeed. Yet we must remember that the contempt the 7th Cav had for your folk, they also had for others - particularly the 9th and 10th Cav - the Buffalo Soldiers (the original ones). It was they, btw, who succeeded in accomplishing their mission, where the 7th failed. They did so with a combination of mercy, respect for their oppenents, and simple grit. And Walrus, I very much prefer Scarlet and Blue over Dublin in the Green - lame lyrics that they are... or am I thinking of the strathspey Orange and Blue... senility sets in - too many eejits lighting off fireworks around the house last night - good thing we had watered *everything* during the day... Cheers - Pete |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: X Date: 05 Jul 02 - 11:10 AM Pete: The 9th and the 10th still have the repect of my people for having the true Warriors heart, something that the 7th never earned. Today we call Lt. Col. Custer the "Indians Hitler" |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: Declan Date: 05 Jul 02 - 11:24 AM Any of you who saw "They died with their boots on" starring Erroll Flynn will know that Garryowen was introduced to the 7th Cavalry by a little drunken Irish man, who was sort of a Company mascot. Or is it possible that Hollywood had something historically inaccurate in a movie ? |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: Jacob B Date: 05 Jul 02 - 02:45 PM My understanding is that Custer heard Garryowen being played by a Massachusetts regiment, liked it, and told his buglers to play it. There were lots of Irish immigrants to Massachusetts. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: toadfrog Date: 05 Jul 02 - 03:25 PM Thanks for the information! Dicho: Sorry about that. I thought I had done a thorough search before starting this one. I guess I was wrong. Walrus, I still think "Let Bacchus sons be not dismayed" has to be a parody of the other songs, because of the way the final lines in the chorus match. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: GUEST,JTT Date: 05 Jul 02 - 06:55 PM Lots of Custer's men were, alas, Irish - mostly "Scots-Irish" - and they probably brought the tune with them to their red slaughter. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Jul 02 - 07:37 AM I believe there were Nazis in death camps who used to like having the music of Beethoven and Schubert as background music to the killing.
A tune isn't responsible for the disgusting people who choose to play it while they are at btheir work of murder. But it can become inescapably associated with such events.
Has anyone ever written set of words to Garryowen about Custer's massacres? It could be a way of rehabilitating the tune maybe. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: X Date: 06 Jul 02 - 02:46 PM McGarth: Your correct in saying that the music in not the villian but I bet there are some of our Jewish friends out there who can't hear Beethoven without thinking of a loved one they lost. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: GUEST,Melani Date: 07 Jul 02 - 12:25 PM Why Declan, whatever makes you think that Hollywood might put something historically inaccurate in a move? Actually, the only thing that WAS accurate in "They Died With Their Boots On" was that there was a guy named Custer who got killed at the Little Bighorn. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: dorareever Date: 07 Jul 02 - 04:16 PM Yes someone (Tim O'Brien)has written new words about the massacre using that tune. http://www.timobrien.net/Lyrics2.cfm?ID=2 |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Jul 02 - 06:50 PM Thanks for that. I heared Tim O'Brien and his sister at Cambridge one festival, and liked them. I even caught the CD he threw out into the crowd, and I've got it downstairs. But I'm pretty sure if he'd sung that oine I'd have remembered it.
Thanks doraveever. That's a good song for a tune that deserves it.
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: toadfrog Date: 07 Jul 02 - 06:53 PM Note: Although the Seventh Cavalry is remembered mostly for Little Big Horn, it also (1) served with Pershing in Mexico; (2) Served in the South Pacific in World War II; (3) saw extremely heavy combat in Korea and Vietnam; and (4) still exists. Some of the battles it fought, especially in Korea, are a great deal more important, historically, than LBH, although they have less legendary importance. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: X Date: 07 Jul 02 - 08:27 PM Dora: Would that be Tim O'Brien's "Mick Ryan's Lament?" Good tune. https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=90971&messages=23 |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: Noreen Date: 07 Jul 02 - 08:37 PM Mick Ryan's Lament |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: dorareever Date: 08 Jul 02 - 02:16 AM Yes it is Mick Ryan's Lament.Very good tune indeed. |
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Subject: Tune Req: garryowen From: timothy.kelly Date: 07 Aug 03 - 12:11 PM I'm a US Cavalry Officer and have heard the tune for Garryowen countless times, from Army bands to Derek Warfield's "Sons of Erin". And I have read the lyrics about "Bacchus's sons...etc." here on mudcat. I'm trying to find a recording, though, of someone actually singing the song. I know there is a scene in THEY DIED WITH THEIR BOOTS ON (Errol Flynn) where they gather around a piano and sing but the lyrics are a total 1930s whitewash. I want the song about beating constables and gettinmg drunk, a song that would appeal to a real cavalry trooper stuck out on the frontier. kelly@armyocs.com |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: Joe Offer Date: 07 Aug 03 - 12:20 PM Hi, Timothy - I moved you over to this existing thread with the same name. Take a look at the crosslinks at the top of this page and see if any of the related threads can help you. Can't say I've heard a recording of "Garryowen" that's as memorable as what you're seeking - but somebody here must have. I gather you're looking for a song that would really make a fella buckle his swash. My dad says that happens only in Marine OCS. [grin] He's 82 now, but he can still sing "Stout-Hearted Men" with the best of 'em. There's something about the tune of "Garryowen" that doesn't sound particularly swashbuckling to me - to me, the tune sounds a bit too delicate. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: Ernest Date: 07 Aug 03 - 12:47 PM Notation with tabs for guitar, banjo, mandolin etc. at Jaybuckey.com under "Free stuff - tablature"! One of those indestructable Irish tunes, sounds great even when played by a brass band. Yours Ernest |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy Date: 07 Aug 03 - 01:52 PM the Irish would be 'garraí Owen' - Owen's garden Garryowen is a neighborhood, or now housing estate, in Limerick. This info is from the Garryowen football club site - "The word Garryowen - the gardens of John - relates to the association in the 12th century between St. John's Church and the Knights Templar whose house in Limerick was dedicated to St. John the Baptist." - I haven't seen them yet, though my apologies if they exist somewhere in a thread, (not in DT, though), here are the lyrics to the 7th Cavalry version, from http://members.fortunecity.com/dikigoros/garryowen.htm "There was a special set of lyrics written for the 7th Cavalry Regiment in 1905. For those special troopers of the 7th: [Verse 1] We are the pride of the Army and a regiment of great renown, Our Name's on the pages of History. From sixty-six on down. If you think we stop or falter While into the fray we're going Just watch the steps with our heads erect, While our band plays GarryOwen. (Chorus) "Chorus" In the Fighting Seventh's the place for me, Its the cream of all the Cavalry; No other regiment ever can claim Its pride, honor, glory and undying fame. [Verse 2] We know fear when stern duty Calls us far away from home, Our country's flag shall safely o'er us wave, No matter where we roam. "Tis the gallant 7th Cavalry It matters not where we are going" Such you'll surely say as we march away; And our band plays GarryOwen. (Chorus) [Verse 3] Then hurrah for our brave commanders! Who led us into the fight. We'll do or die in our country's cause, And battle for the right. And when the war is o'er, And to our home we're goin Just watch your step, with our heads erect, When our band plays GarryOwen. (Chorus) Reference: "From Custer to MacArthur, the 7th US Cavalry" |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: GUEST,pjoki@msn.com Date: 18 Feb 06 - 08:13 PM I am trying to download the modern 7th Cav version of GO. I have tried several sites, but none work. Can anyone point me to a free download? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: Effsee Date: 18 Feb 06 - 09:47 PM Allegedly it was Custer's favourite tune. Tim O'Brien does a song to the tune on one of his CDs, I can't recall which one right now, give me till tomorrow. I'll be back. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: gnu Date: 18 Feb 06 - 10:05 PM I have been looking for six years. Gary Owens |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: garryowen From: Effsee Date: 19 Feb 06 - 10:12 AM The song "Mick Ryan's Lament" on Tim O'Brien's album Two Journey's is sung to the tune of Garry Owen. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: GARRYOWEN From: Jim Dixon Date: 16 Sep 08 - 09:17 AM Here is a text of the "Irish patriotic song" that toadfrog quoted above. I'm surprised no one has posted this version before—but then, it seems it is rarely published anywhere. I failed to find it with Google Book Search. The Library of Congress and the Bodleian Library each have copies of the broadside, but they are of very poor quality, with many letters missing or broken, and many misspellings. I found only one "good" transcription, at Songs Collected by Donagh MacDonagh. I tweaked it in a few places to make it agree more closely with the broadside, except in places where the broadside made no sense. GARRYOWEN 1. Oh, Garryowen is gone to rack. Her blood is on the outlaw's track. The night hangs starless, cold and black Above the shining river; Yet voices live along her walls That ring out like old bugle calls, Through lonesome streets and ruined halls: "Our native land forever!" Then hip hurrah! for Garryowen, For, as stands the Treaty stone, Our Irish hearts will bear alone For Garryowen na glora. 2. On those old walls brave Sarsfield stood And looked into the Shannon's flood And lo! 'twas flowing red with blood Of foreign foes to freedom. Within the good old town is still For Ireland's cause some blood to spill And hearts to fight with right good will, And Sarsfield is yet to lead 'em. Then three times three for Limerick town, And Sarsfield's men of high renown Who tramp the English banner down In Garryowen na glora. 3. Our good sires met the English Lords, Their hands forever on their swords, Their slashing blows the only words They deigned to give the foemen; And we will take our fathers' place And scowl into the Saxon face The hatred of a royal race That will be slaves to no men. Then draw your swords for Garryowen And swear upon the Treaty stone To live for Ireland's sake alone In Garryowen na glora. 4. Oh! for an hour in Garryowen, In the crimson light of days long flown, Our banners of green to the gay winds thrown To the chorus of the cannon; To hear the thrilling bugle's call, And Sarsfield's cry: "Behold the Gall!" Hurrah! to leap the fosse and wall And pike them in the Shannon, Then toast the men who fought and won Beneath our banner of the sun, And we can do what they have done In Garryowen na glora. 5. Though Garryowen is gone to rack, We'll win her golden glories back; The night that shrouds her, cold and black, We'll light with song and story; And though her walls are overthrown, We'll build them high yet, stone on stone, And freedom shall be Queen alone, In Garryowen na glora. So three times three for Garryowen, Her old gray walls and Treaty stone! We live for Ireland's cause alone In Garryowen na glora. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: GUEST,Marianne Date: 21 Jan 13 - 05:06 AM Does anyone know what spa is in the lyrics. They say "instead if spa we'll drink brown ale". |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: MartinRyan Date: 21 Jan 13 - 05:15 AM Sean McMahon, in The Poolbeg Book of Irish Ballads writes: ... The "Spa" in the first verse refers to the fashionable nineteenth-century practice of drinking water naturally impregnated with sulphur and chalybeate from spa-wells. Regards |
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Subject: RE: Help: Garryowen From: Dave Hanson Date: 21 Jan 13 - 06:21 AM Is it sung to the double jig tune Garryowen ? reputedly General Custers favourite marching out tune but played as a quickstep. Dave H |
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