Origins: Turn, Turn, Turn (Pete Seeger)

Subject: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST,Marcellin Chiasson
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 06:13 PM

Hi:

Does anyone know all the lyrics to the Song, Turn, Turn, Turn by the Beatles? Thanks a million.

Marcellin chiasson, Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia, Canada e-mail [[e-mail]]

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 06:41 PM

I thought it was by the Byrds, and it is almost verbatim from Ecclesiates, in the Christian Bible. 1st chapter, forget which verses, Bible is locked in the bedroom with the sleeping MR. I know someone can give them to you.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 06:41 PM

Are you sure the Beatles did it? I've heard The Byrds do Turn, Turn, Turn and I believe Pete Seeger wrote that version. I'm a pretty big Beatles fan but I don't recall them doing it.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 06:45 PM

You can get the lyrics in the Digital Tradition on this site, right here. And yes, the Byrds did sing it, not the Fab 4.

--Mbo

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 06:48 PM

Synchronistic postings again...........

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST,The Burren ranger
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 06:51 PM

Turn, Turn Turn was recorded by the Byrds..most def. not the Beatles. TBR

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 07:25 PM

...uh, yeah............

The song was adapted from Eccleiastes by Pete Seeger and Roger McGuinn and the Byrd's had the hit with it. As Meebo has linked, it is in the Database. There are also a couple of previous threads.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 08:51 PM

Pete Seeger wrote it from Ecclesiastes.

When the Byrds did their version, I suppose Roger McGuinn would adjusted it a bit. And the Beatles never did it that I've heard.

And if you want to sing it, I'd advise using Pete Seeger's version as your jumping-off place, rather than the Byrds.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: The Lighthouse
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 08:56 PM

The Beatles NEVER did this song. I would put loads and loads of cash on that bet! The Byrds did that one and yes it was from Pete Seeger who also somehow gave us "The Lion Sleeps Tonight". Of course his version wasn't a New York a-capella with opera singers set to the African folk tune!!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 09:14 PM

OK geez! They guy made a simple mistake! Don't rub it in!

--Mbo

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 09:26 PM

Actually,Marcellin is right, there were no Byrds. It was just another elaborate practical joke perpetrated by John Lennon. He and McCartney had just had a hit called Michelle under the pseudonym David and Jonathan, and thought it would "shove a sapling up the Queen's knickers" to write and perform music as an "American" pop group. This was right before Paul died and was replaced by a 23 year old milkman from Wrexham.

There was also no Pete Seeger, but that's another story...

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 09:28 PM

Oh, Leej, you can't be Seegerious!

A

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 09:29 PM

Oh good heavens. Wasn't it Linda who died? (sorry, dumb statement/joke) At least it was Ecclesiastes........which was read at my Dad's funeral service.

Subject: Vanity of Vanities
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 09:32 PM

"Turn Turn Turn" (except for those three words) comes from Ecclesiastes 3:1-8.
I wonder if anybody has tried to make a song out of the beginning of Ecclesiastes:

Vanity of Vanities, saith the Preacher,
Vanity of Vanities, all is vanity.

Don't ponder that too long...

So, tell me, what the heck do the words "turn, turn, turn" have to do with the rest of the song?

-Joe Offer, suffering a sizzling Sacramento summer-

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 09:40 PM

No Joe......but I think Tom Wolfe made a bonfire out of it though.

And Leej, you've certainly hit on something. I've said for years that McGuinn isn't real but is one of those dolls in the rear window of a lo-rider with its head bobbing up and down.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 09:42 PM

Sounds familiar! When they asked Oasis if they could give Queen Elizabeth any present for her upcoming birthday, what would it be? They said "A kick in the arse!"

--Matt

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Bugsy
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 09:47 PM

Let me be the first to say:

I think this song was recorded by "THE BYRDS" - Not "THE BEATLES".

Maybe someone could corroborate this for me!

Cheers

Bugsy

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 09:51 PM

Sorry Bugsy......We all hate to commit to something like that. I would suggest a search on DJListserv and see what kind of responce you get there. Check back after you get out of the hospital.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: bob jr
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 10:33 PM

if you like the byrds version there is no way you will like pete seegers version

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 11:13 PM

If you like the original, you might not like Pete's adaptation. If you like Pete's you might not like McGuinn's...but get this, Pete LOVED the Byrds treatment. Myself, I was never a big fan of the song.

Rick

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: bob jr
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 11:25 PM

rick are you following me? i dont want to give anyone the wrong idea i like pete seeger a great deal and the bryds too i just think the two listening experiences in this case are totally different (and i like the byrds version better ,the tastey guitar intro the nice harmonies,of course now when i hear it all i think about is the simpsons "wonder years" take off and laugh my head off)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 11:44 PM

Joe, I always kind of thought that the Turn,turn, turn was a reference to things turning and changing, like the turning of the seasons, or the turning of the seasons of life........I've been wrong before, though.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: john c
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 01:05 AM

So now we know - The Byrds it was. But just listen to The Beatles singing If I Needed Someone and you´ll realise what an easy mistake it is to make.
All the best,
J.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 04:56 AM

Well, Sorcha, that's about the same idea I had - Ecclesiastes, Siddhartha, and the Great Mandalla all bound together into one happy circle....

It was from the sixties, after all.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST,Ed Pellow
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 05:42 AM

John,

The guitar riff in the Beatles song "If I needed someone" comes from the Byrds version of "The Bells Of Rhymney"

George Harrison was happy to admit it

Ed

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: gillymor
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 07:22 AM

I don't want to step on any toes here but I'm pretty it was the Rutles, or perhaps Klaatu (sp).

F

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Peter T.
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 10:23 AM

I thought the Byrds was by Daphne du Maurier. (just adding to the vague dopiness of this thread. It must be July).

yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 12:46 PM

The Byrd's version of Turnx3 had three things going for it- *soaring harmony, which McGuinn's nasal voice kept from becoming insipidly sweet * A great drum track, which Michael Clarke was capable of on occasion(see Eight Miles High) * and McGuinn playing his distinctive 12 string Rickenbacker over the driving beat in one of his best solos.

I like Pete's version, too, for the warmth and good-feeling of his singing. The meaning of the song comes across more clearly in Pete's.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 04:14 PM

It was interesting too that on the Kennedy Center Honors program, McGuinn (replete with bobbing head adnRickenbacker 12) sang the song for Seeger's section. That whole thing was pretty strange though with Pete being honored and Arlo performing...........

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 04:42 PM

Didn't see that, Spaw, but I can imagine. In his mid-fifties, Roger McGuinn must find himself in a pretty odd position. A contemporary of Dylan, Ochs, Hardin, Bok and others, he is still not really accepted by the Folk Community because of his previous "Rock Star" status. And that's a shame, because I think Roger's done a hell of a lot for folk and traditional music, not the least contribution being his helping to introduce it to a mass audience.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Ed Pellow
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 05:03 PM

Lonesome EJ,

I didn't realise that McGuinn was seen it that way. As far as I'm aware he isn't here in the UK.

I agree with your comments, he's done a lot for folk. I love his folk den website, a new recording of a traditional song every month in various audio formats, along with chords and lyrics. All for free

Ed

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mike Regenstreif
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 05:21 PM

Lonesome EJ,

Which folk community is not accepting of Roger McGuinn? It seems to me that Roger is very much of the folk music community.

My own experiences with Roger have been very positive. In the 1980s, when I was running a folk club in Montreal, he came and played there. His concerts were a mix of Byrds material, that he played on an acoustic 12-string, and traditional folk songs. His audience was mostly folk music fans (and artists).

And in 1998 when he came back to Montreal, he did a long guest spot on my folk music radio program.

Ed Pellow mentioned Roger's Folk Den website. It's all about promoting traditional folk songs.

Roger's next album is going to be all traditional folk songs, all in acoustic arrangements and including duets with Joan Baez, Tommy Makem, Pete Seeger, Jean Ritchie, Odetta and Judy Collins.

Mike Regenstreif

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mbo
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 05:30 PM

Roger is also good friends with Jeff Lynne. Infact, the title of Roger's album Back From Rio is a tribute to the Jeff Lynne song "Goin' Down To Rio." There is also a tiny sampling of "Goin' Down To Rio" used as an instrumental bridge between 2 of the songs...

--Mbo

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 06:24 PM

Mike, it could be just my perception about McGuinn not being accepted by serious folkies. It is certain that he is doing much for the preservation of traditional music at this time. The Folk Den is indeed a wonderful resource on the net, and I look forward to his next album with those great musicians.

My impression is that The Byrds are often looked on as a group that bastardized folk into rock for commercial purposes. I know that many at the time saw them that way. I for one believe that many of their covers of Dylan, Seeger and others transcended the original artist's work.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mike Regenstreif
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 06:38 PM

I'm not sure who you mean by "serious folkies," unless it's the same people that are still mad about Dylan's electric set at Newport in 1965. I really don't think that accounts for too many people any more.

MR

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Peter T.
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 07:12 PM

Were any of those people serious folkies? Did they think Doc Watson wouldn't touch an electric guitar, or Muddy Waters? Surely this must be the weirdest of old legends -- never made any sense the first time around.

yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 07:30 PM

Well, Peter, I would consider some of our resident Mudcatters to be "serious folkies",like Art Thieme, Frank Hamilton, Sandy Paton,and Kendall, and I would be very curious to hear their reactions to the "folk rock" movement, and the Byrds' music. My guess is that they may still have some objections to the idea of Wild Mountain Thyme with electric guitars and drums.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mike Regenstreif
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 07:42 PM

Frank Hamilton collaborates with Roger McGuinn.

MR

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 07:53 PM

Aha! So he is the same Frank Hamilton I saw on McGuinn's page. Guess we can put Frank in the Byrds' corner then.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: bob jr
Date: 22 Jul 00 - 11:55 PM

lonesome ej is right these are the folks bob wrote positvely 4th street about and they still dont get it ....

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 23 Jul 00 - 02:11 AM

Speaking for myself, Lonesome, anyone can do anything they care to do with music. If I don't like it, I don't have to listen to it. Simple as that.

Sandy

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Jul 00 - 02:23 AM

way back up there, Joe Offer, wondered if anyone had ever used the begining of Ecclesiastes, with the Vanity and all...you said not to ponder too long, Joe. Fortunately, it came to me a flash...I could just hear it....Carly Simon....You're so vain...you probably think this song is about you! **BG**

Way back when I was in Job's Daughter's, an organisation for young girls, related to the Masons, I was on the fast track to becoming Honoured Queen. Each HQ reigns for 6 months and has a theme for her time, usually focussed around the giving social work she wants to accomplish. Turn, turn, turn was going to be my theme song. I still really love this song.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 12:29 AM

I think the Beatles' connection came from this: back in the 60's there was a young Welsh lassie named Mary Hopkin (no "s") who had a hit with this song. She had been the winner on a talent show called Opportunity Knocks, and had been immediately snapped up by the Beatles management, who handled her career, with personal assists and arrangements from Paul McC. himself. She also had a big hit with Those Were The Days. All the best. Seamus

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 12:40 AM

That's it, Seamus!! I have the 45 rpm of her doing it and had totally forgotten! I think it would've been 1968/69, as that is when I would've been thinking of using it. Thanks!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Ritchie
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 08:08 AM

What I find strange...nay spooky...is that neither 'The Birds nor The Beetles' would probably have amounted to nought if it had not have been for a simple typing mistake.

It just goes to show how sometimes great things can come about by a slip of the pen...or keyboard.

regards ritchie.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 11:42 AM

Ritchie: oh no! Illiteracy thread creep; here we go again. Kat, you can't possibly be old enough to remember Mary Hopkin. Catspaw, you're getting slow; I thought you would have jumped all over the (no "s") qualifier. Seamus

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 11:49 AM

Sorry Seamus....its an old age thing.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Dorrie
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 12:55 PM

travis maybe? "if you turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, you might learn, lea-------rn to tur------n"?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 01:02 PM

Ah, Seamus, that kinda comment'll get ya everywhere!*bg* I was on the shy side of 16...LOL!!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Kim C
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 03:40 PM

I just got some really groovy blue sunglasses. Now I need me a Rickenbacker.

It's like the Shakers once said.... by turning, turning we come round right.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 04:19 PM

KimC- and if your hair grows right, and your pants are tight it's gonna be alright

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 06:41 PM

i have the lyrics, but i can't post 'em til tomorrow. i am legally 'allowed' to post them right? well, in any case, i will try to, unless i find an email at the end of this already huge list of emails telling me that i shouldn't and then you can all have it, and sing it yourselves along with bob or the byrds or whoever the heck you want. sharon

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Gary T
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 06:56 PM

Thank you, Sharon. The lyrics were made available in the 4th post, by Mbo. The word "here" in that post is blue (what we call a "blue clicky thing") , which means if you click on it with your mouse it takes you somewhere--in this case to the lyrics in the Mudcat database (called Digital Tradition).

You may find it helpful to look through the thread at the top of the threads list, colored teal, titled "Mudcat FAQ - Newcomer's Guide". It explains a lot of these types of details, which makes it easier and quicker to enjoy the Mudcat Cafe.

Welcome!

(Typically these messages are called "posts", the long string of them is called a "thread". "e-mail" is different, it goes straight from person to person and comes up in a different part of your computer, often called the "mailbox". When you're on the Mudcat, you're on the World-Wide Web [hence the 'www' you type into the location box on your computer's web browser]. Both e-mail and the Web are features of the Internet. Hopes this helps you some. Regards, Gary)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 07:00 PM

Uh, GUEST.......The lyrics have already been linked and are already in the Digitrad database in any case. No need to post them again.

And Leej.......Interestingly enough, I think that Shaker men wore tight pants.....celibate and all, ya' know?(:<))

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: CamiSu
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 08:02 PM

Leej I know this is way back there, but if there is no such person as Pete Seeger, Who was that running 20 minutes over on my stage (throwing my whole schedule into a cocked hat) and why hasn't anyone told Toshi?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 08:16 PM

There is no Toshi either. Unlike Pete Seeger, who has been portrayed by the same actor all these years, one Byron L. Palmer, the role of Toshi has been handled by three different actresses, the latest having taken over the part in October of 1986. Previously, Anna Chalmers had been playing an aging harlot on "One Life To Live."

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 08:20 PM

Oh sweet Mother of all that is Holy that cracked me up. This thread is a classic study in turning sow's ears to silk purses. Or vice versa.

LEJ tears of laughter running down my nose

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 08:40 PM

Thanks for that folk den link - I just clicked on it and listened to his July selection, which is the Star Spangled Banner with the later verses I didn't know existed. Not the way it's normally sung I believe. More like the way it ought to be - snatching victory from the jaws of defeat, and no trace of arrogance.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: bob jr
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 08:42 PM

did you know that mary hopkins went on to marry famed bowie producer tony visconti (its her doing the doo doot bits at the begining of sound and vision of bowies low album) then to keep the beattle connection going tony divorced mary and married john lennon's ex-mistress may pang ? (who i dont think ever covered turn turn turn)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Bugsy
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 08:43 PM

No, After much thought and research, I'm SURE it was the BYRDS who performed "Turn, Turn, Turn" NOT the BEATLES.

Cheers

Bugsy

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Christopher Neylan
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 08:47 PM

A connection maybe.... I remember seeing an interview with McGuinn where he talks about discovering the electric 12 string when he saw George Harrison playing one. Chris.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 09:04 PM

I think another connection is more likely. Yoko Ono once worked in a sweatshop factory that made the dashboard dolls with the springy heads and gave one to McGuinn which he put in his Humber saloon. It was sadly broken when a Rick-12 was thrown through the windshield as he passed a horse caravan on its way to Newmarket.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 09:08 PM

It occurs to me that some source of the confusion here may stem from a John Lennon song that was recorded for Magical Mystery Tour, then dropped when they couldn't fit it into the movie. The song is called Turn, Turn, Turn the Buggers Round

Turn
Turn
Turn the buggers 'round
The devil's in the details
And your parrot's in the pound
The pink-toenailed ambassador
Is waltzing with the clown
They've spent the evening getting pissed
At The Scepter and the Crown
So turn the buggers round today

While Lennon called this song a triumph of surrealism, McCartney later called it "so much psychedelic rubbish." Harrison said "it wasn't too bad" and Starr couldn't remember ever having heard it.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST,Mbo_at_ECU
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 09:18 PM

DAng I love Magical Mystery Tour! Man, EJ, that sounds like a cool song! Fits in perfect with "I Am The Walrus". Wish they wouldn't have dropped it...

--Matt

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 09:55 PM

Well ya' see Meebo...........

Its not well known of course, but most of us on the 'Cat became aware some time ago that LEJ who we call Leej, is in reality, JEL........John Lennon. The whole Chapman thing was a set-up to capitalize on the songs he had written both before and after the Beatle break-up and to screw McCarthy out of future royalties. McCarthy of course never has been let in on this and neither has Yoko which was the other benefit of this devilishly clever scheme.

Yoko had become excessively domineering and indeed planned to divorce him and begin a new career playing the role of Toshi Seeger, but was turned down for the part when she opened her mouth and began singing "This Land Is Your Land" in her native tongue of Banshee.

We hope by letting you in on this secret that you'll whoa up on the enthusiasm for all things ELO and realize that Jeff Lynne is also Leej/John Lennon and has been masquerading as a Radio Shack thermistor for almost 20 years now.

John/Jeff/Leej...that's one helluva' song pardner!!! LMAO!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: JenEllen
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 10:58 PM

WOW! *starry-eyed girl* That would explain why you never see Leej/Lynne/Lennon in the same place.....devilishly clever is RIGHT!!

Of course, Meebs, he still gets terribly sad every summer when the screaming of fan belts reminds him of his dear, darling Yoko. We all know the truth, evidenced by the nudey Rolling Stone cover framed in the 'Shack, and the Bobbin' Head McGuinn parked there on the register. Thankfully, due to the general dumbing down of the American youth that parades through summer job hell, Leej/John/Jeff has been able to go unindentified for years.

~Elle (the pink-toenailed ambassador)

This is turn, turn, turning into a real load....you guys oughta haul it over to the garden thread!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 11:45 PM

Dear Marcellin, if you are still there, we all hope you haven't given up on the Mudcat because of all this craziness. At least you got some sort of answer to your original question. And you can take pride in the fact that you started a thread which will undoubtedly wind up in the Mudcat Hall of Fame. So hang in there, and keep posting. In fact, you should become a member -- it's easy and free and fun.

Aloha,
Mark

P.S. Is it all right if I let everybody know that you're really John Sebastian?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mbo
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 11:49 PM

Mark, you mean the guy who wrote "Bach in the U.S.S.R"?

--Matteo

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: JenEllen
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 02:23 AM

Mbo, I thought that was Lenin????

~Elle with *beseg*

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 03:37 AM

Well, guys, I guess it's just a daydream to think that a younger girl would know that name, and even Nashville cats (or Carolina cats) may not be in the know. I mean, did you ever have to make up your mind and try to figure out if it's rain on the roof you hear or just someone whispering "Darlin' be home soon?" Welcome back.

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Gary T
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 08:38 AM

Hey, Spaw, is McCarthy the replacement guy they got when Paul McCartney died? (BG)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Kim C
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 10:05 AM

Leej, I am over 30 now and way past tight pants. On occasion, however, I can still get away with short skirts. But I haven't figured out how to make that rhyme.

I did want to be a rock-n-roll star. But God made me a fiddler instead. :) turn, turn, turn..........

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mbo
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 10:16 AM

The Byrds wrote and sang a rulin' song called "So You Want To Be a Rock & Roll Star?" so there may still be hope...

--Matt

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 10:53 AM

Geeziz Gary...Ya' got me and I may as well let it all out on this thread. I could simply say it was a typo, but.......The reality is that it was a Freudian slip.

OHMYGAWD.....I GOTTA' LET IT OUT!!!!!!!!....I WANNA' TESTIFY............uh, so to speak........

Paul is really the bastard son of "Tail Gunner Joe" and made the spelling change to cover his shame. THERE!! Its finally out and I feel so much better..........

Spaw-----Hey Mark, take a spoonful of medicine......

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: JenEllen
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 12:47 PM

Mark;
What's up there Tigerlily? Dontcha know us Nashville Kittens know better than to step right in it?

~Elle (Still a mystery, singing them Night Owl Blues...)

McCarthy and Yoko......omigawd, the possibilites are endless. I defer to Master of the Gases...Take 'er away Spaw....

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 02:00 PM

Actually JE, the ONLY connection between Yoko and the senator from Minnesota was in that McCarthy claimed to have a list of 254 known communists and Yoko claimed to have a list of her 254 greatest hits. As is well known, BOTH lists were, in reality, blank.

Oh yeah, there was the story floating around that neither of them could differentiate between Roy Cohn and their own assholes which they each dearly loved..........So that'd be TWO things in common I guess. Of course very few people are so enamored of their own assholes as Senator McCarthy and Yoko Ono, but most of us can't tell the difference between Roy Cohn and an asshole either.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 03:09 PM

Here's another clue for you all: The Walrus was Spaw.

Mark...did you ever hear any of John Sebastian's Dad's harmonica work? He was probably the premier classical harmonica virtuoso in the world in the 40s and 50s

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mbo
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 03:20 PM

You shouldn't be messing around with those glass onions, EJ. They can wreak havoc, do y'know what I mean? Yeah yeah. So J.S. Bach's father was a master of the blues harpsichord?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 06:11 PM

Lovin' it, 'Spaw!

As Leo Kottke said, Bach had so many children because his organ didn't have any stops. Guess we'd better put a stop to that one PDQ. Besides, we all know who Leo Kottke really is.

Are you getting all this, Marcellin? There will be a quiz next week.

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 06:49 PM

Ohmygawd.....Mark, when you mentioned Bach, something clicked, switched on so to speak, and I realized that A large part of his problems with excessive procreation were the fault of his wife as well. When they met he was penniless and they moved into her home which was built in the shape of a large, hi-top, button up, shoe. Though he felt like a heel, his rampant sex drive combined with her willigness, became the soul of their relationship which arched up each evening within them. Some said it would never last, that the gossip's tongues would be wagging, but the couple towed the line and somehow managed to keep a straight-laced appearance in the eye of the public.

One writer from the period wrote a little ditty about them and specifically about her flaming nymphomania.
There was an old woman who lived in a shoe.
She had so many children because she DID know what to do.
Attorneys were hired, and the writer, an old shriveled-up hag named Goose, decided to change it to forestall the lawsuit and another nursery rhyme was born.

But Mark???? Do we have to come clean on Kottke too?

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jun 02 - 03:44 PM

I'm pretty certain that it was The Byrds who did this

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Noreen
Date: 20 Jun 02 - 03:51 PM

I'm so glad you cleared that one up for us, GUEST. We've been waiting nearly two years for your opinion on the matter.. :0)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: JenEllen
Date: 20 Jun 02 - 03:55 PM

Yeah, but is Leej really John Lennon....There never was a definitive on that one....

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Hrothgar
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 02:40 AM

No, GUEST is John Lennon.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 12:55 PM

Giving an FNG a hard time, are we, Noreen? I think (?) what GUEST meant to say was "refresh". Even though I couldn't afford to buy many records in those days,I bought "Those were the days" when it came out, more or less the way people buy bottles of port for laying down. I thought to myself, in years to come I'll play this record and it will remind me of my youth. I suppose people in the City would call that investing in nostalgia futures. Only trouble is, I've no idea where the record is now! But I heard it on the radio recently and I had a little moment. Actually "turn turn turn" gives me quite a feelgood feeling as well when I hear it. If I hadn't seen this thread I wouldn't have known about the McGuinn/Lynne linkup, so I've learnt something today.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 01:02 PM

Yes, An Pluiméir Ceolmhar

My comment was a lighthearted 'refresh' In fairness, I think Noreen's reply was meant to be lighthearted as well.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Haruo
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 05:09 PM

Sorcha, that "Ecclesiastes" you see in the Christian Bible was crossposted (mogendavidposted?) from the Hebrew one. Where he goes by "Qoheleth".

I thought it was a Judy Collins song. I know.

Liland

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 07:00 PM

I just located Marcellin Chiasson, and sent him a link to this thread and an invitation to join the 'Cat. If you're still wondering who he is, you'd better ask Sinsull: his name is an anagram of I'm really a conch, Sins! (well, it would be if his middle initial is "Y"). I'm not sure if this molluscan connection has any relation to an octopus' garden...

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Art Thieme
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 08:05 PM

refresh

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Noreen
Date: 23 Jun 02 - 07:27 PM

Refresh/repeat for An Pluiméir Ceolmhar :

:0)

(You see me giving people a hard time?? hmmm...)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: lady penelope
Date: 24 Jun 02 - 06:09 PM

My Dad's got a copy of "Those were the days" I used to sing along to it when I was about 8. Then they made me sing it for a school version of A midsummer's night dream and I've been trying to forget about it for years.

Mind you he aslo bought a copy of Jocker Cocker doing "With a little help from my friends" and for years we just assumed it was left by one of my 90million cousins on a stay over. We were shocked, my Dad's very much a jazz , swing and easy listening merchant, this was astonishing. He then compounded that by gleefully bringing home an album he'd found in a rummage sale at the CoOp at Hammersmith, by The Groove! This from the man who hates ( well, is very unimpressed by ) the Beatles.

I amanged a small quotient of kudos by having such records as my teenage group were all born again hippies.

Isn't great when you find stuff like that out about your parents?

TTFN M'Lady P.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 24 Jun 02 - 06:17 PM

I feel I should point out that "Turn, Turn, Turn" was never recorded by the Beatles, but by the Byrds ....

Murray

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST,Ian
Date: 24 Jun 02 - 06:20 PM

Thanks Murray!

I was never too sure. You've just cleared up a family argument.

Thanks again

Ian

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: lady penelope
Date: 24 Jun 02 - 06:20 PM

I've got that feeling of deja voo..............

TTFN M'lady P.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 24 Jun 02 - 06:56 PM

Yeah, Liland, Judy Collins did it too, a fair rendering, but she didn't write it. Did St Paul write Ecclesiastes along with all his other epistles? T.B.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 24 Jun 02 - 08:01 PM

If there was ever any doubt, it appears that Murray has cleared it up with that succinct post. So let it be written. So let it be done.

Lonesome "Non-John" EJ

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: rangeroger
Date: 25 Jun 02 - 12:59 AM

Tattie Bogle, the book of Ecclesiastes is from the Old Testament and indications are that it was written by King Solomon.

rr

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 25 Jun 02 - 01:28 AM

But Al Gore says he wrote it.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Jun 02 - 05:35 AM

Never believe claims of authorship on first sight, after all, someone from several other threads (who I won't name) claims to have written all of the "Tek War" books, as well as a few Star Trk books.
The quote from Ecclesiastes is also used as a last message from a computer on the death of Robinton, "The MasterHarper of Pern" Masato at least will recognise the source.

As for all these people who have been claimed to not exist, is that the origin of the American comment "Close, but no Seeger" ?

Nigel

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jun 02 - 09:48 AM

Obviously what this country needs is a good five-string Seeger!

But, just for the record, it was the Byrds who recorded "Turn, Turn, Turn"; the Beatles never did. Sorry to rain on the parade and all... :>)

A

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST,Billy Boy
Date: 25 Jun 02 - 01:10 PM

And you expect me to just take your word for that, Amos?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 25 Jun 02 - 01:16 PM

Good point, BB. But I think we can trust Murray on this one.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: RolyH
Date: 25 Jun 02 - 05:14 PM

I'm sure the Beatles did "Mr Tambourine Man" (or was that The Beagles ,not sure:))

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 02 - 05:34 PM

I thought that Mr Tambourine Man was a poem by Dylan Thomas.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 26 Jun 02 - 06:49 PM

Oo-er, I'm just off back to Sunday School: I used to know every book of the Bible, in order, when I was 14 or so!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: brid widder
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 11:58 AM

I think John Lennon wrote Mr Tamborine man about George Harrison who had a brief dalliance with the Salvation Army... before discovering Krishna the wonders of the Sitar..... but I might be mistaken

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST,JohnnieBGoode
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 01:01 PM

It is quite possible the original poster heard a BBC radio recording of the beatles doing turn,turn, turn...or some other bootleg. Would love to hear it.

Maybe someone had a cassette recorder in India...BTW, do you think the Beatles knew about the existence of C Manson while they wrote the white album?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: beadie
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 02:22 PM

It never fails to amaze me how the facts seem to sail right on by when some of the younger "experts" in music of an earlier age set about to show their stuff.

A little bit ago, I encountered one of those "quizzes" that tests your knowledge of this or that topic. The questions for this exam all centered around "Lennon - McCartney lyrics." The irritating question asked, "In the song ' 'Til there was you,' what was on the hill?" Of course, the answer is "bells" were on the hill, but the real issue is that the song was from The Music Man, written for the Broadway stage by Meredith Willson in the early 1950's, when the boys likely hadn't even bought their first guitars yet.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST,Joseph Simmons
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 04:11 PM

Actually, it's the Byrds, not the Beatles who wrote that song. What a ridiculous debate. Anyone who claims to be a Beatles fan should know this. Duh!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 04:15 PM

The Byrds certainly didn't write it, Joseph

What a ridiculous comment. Duh!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST,JohnnieBGoode
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 12:11 AM

I'm going to check the new beatles thread and assume some of this may be continued there....

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST,JohnnieBGoode
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 12:13 AM

Actually, it's a june 2 thread that starts with "what was your favorite beatles song". Still worth looking into i think

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Greyeyes
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 02:40 PM

But getting back to the point, has anyone thought to e-mail the lyrics of "Turn, Turn, Turn" by the Bangles to the original poster? They've been waiting 2 years.