BS: Rumsfeld prevented Katrina Aid

Subject: BS: Rumsfeld prevented Katrina Aid
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:30 PM

Nefarious evil and meglomanical Donnie has re entered the Public Spotlight, this time in an article by GQ.
Rumsfeld would not help Katrina victims


He also taught GWB that another Iraq war was really a Christian Crusade and went so far as give George intel reports with cover sheets complete with biblical quotes. Methinks Don thought himself the power behind the throne and was perhaps the first to get Cheney on board with torture.


This new GQ info is a good counter punch to the neo con pursuit of Nancy Pelosi and Eric Holder as liars and torture supporters.

Much is on the line and the Republicans know it. Today Micheal Steele called for an all out direct attack on Barak Obama by all real Americans. This will mean different things to different people.




The next critical six months will shape the United States for the next 50 years regarding what kind of credit, trading regulations, health care and humane integrity this nation will follow.

Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld prevented Katrina Aid
From: SINSULL
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:39 PM

Not exactly, Donuel. Go re-read the article with an open mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld prevented Katrina Aid
From: artbrooks
Date: 19 May 09 - 05:17 PM

While I'm sure that Gentlemens Quarterly is a fine magazine of its type, I'm not entirely sure that it is the scholarly journal of choice for contemporary political commentary. I guess I'd prefer Ms. or Playboy.

Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld prevented Katrina Aid
From: MAG
Date: 19 May 09 - 06:20 PM

Well of course. Brownie's job at FEMA was helping loot it for Homeland Security, along with every other program it covered.

When's the last time anybody saw a traffic helicopter? Any guesses as to where they are?

Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld prevented Katrina Aid
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 May 09 - 08:06 PM

Thanks, Sinsull. I was going to point it out also. I thought about cutting and pasting what the man actually said and calls for but I think it's fairly useless.

Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld prevented Katrina Aid
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:03 PM

"Not until we have another Pearl Harbor like event will the US military obtain all the support needed for integrated land and space based warfare."
Rumsfeld memo

Apparently Holier than thou Bushies are still out and about here and only a few of us still remember that George Bush was said to be appointed by God. First by Scalia and then by his Generals.
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The US military now has an unwritten litmus test of religiousity. The Air Force is the most extreme faith based branch of service at this time.

A religious Crusade is exactly how this war is sold to many US soldiers today. Jihad and crusade are interchangable.

When an investigative reporter is given top secret documents I do not besmirch the publication that is willing to publish them.
Gen Franks was featured in Esquire Magazine exclusive. I recall many land breaking inteviews in Playboy. There is more in the publishing world than the National Review and Newsweek.
I could cite the articles but it would be useless.

Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld prevented Katrina Aid
From: SINSULL
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:12 PM

Both Ebbie and I are/were rabidly anti-bush. The truth is bad enough. As I posted previously, an openminded read of the article does not support your original post.

Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld prevented Katrina Aid
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 May 09 - 10:16 PM

In fact, I think the truth is more interesting, Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld prevented Katrina Aid
From: Bobert
Date: 19 May 09 - 10:24 PM

If ya'll want a real story on Katrina, refresh my thread "Katrinagate"... It's all there... It's all researched... And it leads to a complete and total inept Bush administration from top to bottom...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld prevented Katrina Aid
From: Barry Finn
Date: 19 May 09 - 11:28 PM

What is it that doesn't sit well with what Donuel posted??
Please don't nitpick about Crusades & torture & the power behind the throne

Rummey was, in my opinion far more than "Nefarious evil and meglomanical". He was what one used to refere as a "messer". Always the roadblock. He was at odds with his on staff, is own catnip, his own intell, his peers & his superiour. He has much to answer for but who know's if anyone will ask any serious questions. He bungled more than anyone with the exception of Shamey & Bush for the wars & the 'flopping' of Katrina.

The funny thing is, none of this is new news. We the people are not deaf, dumb & blind, maybe stupid.

I do disagree with Donuel about the statement: "The next critical six months will shape the United States for the next 50 years regarding what kind of credit, trading regulations, health care and humane integrity this nation will follow."

It'll be within the next 12 to 18 months. It'll take that long for the 2 parties to suss out weither or not Obama has made the right choices for our nation. The Republicans want failure at "our" expense & Obama is treading on thin ice trying to push his aggenda with them & the Democratics won't completely throw in with him & still haven't found their backbone & spirit (when will they ever learn?).
Katrinagate should be investigated & those who failed the peoples of the Gulf Coast should be publicly castrated.
As far as getting to the bottom of Iraq, there should be "War Trials" held for each & every criminal that pushed this war down the throats of the American public. Starting with those that called dissentors treasonous & pitted the left against the right in a "split & divide" power play with the 21st century Crusades in mind.

The only one who didn't deserve what he didn't get was Powell but he will hopefully be the only one who will benifit from a divorce by getting the shaft.
Lie with dogs & you get up with fleas. To bad Collin.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld prevented Katrina Aid
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 May 09 - 12:22 AM

What I took issue with, Barry, is the charge Donuel made regarding Michael Steele. Steele and others of his ilk are far enough out there that it is not necessary or even ethical to claim he is even farther out.

Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld prevented Katrina Aid
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 May 09 - 12:55 AM

Steele is beyond farther out, (but look he's been elected) hopefully he & his elk (pun) soon won't be able to find their way back to the herd but then look at Newt, he's been beyond the rim for some time too & still we have to hear him ranting & rutting

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld prevented Katrina Aid
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 May 09 - 08:40 AM

Donuel has misstated what was written in the article. The truth about Rumsfeld is bad enough. No need to slant or misslant what appeared in GQ.

Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld prevented Katrina Aid
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 May 09 - 08:41 PM

I can't see where the misstatement about the GQ article comes in.

Maybe it's accurate, maybe it's not, but it does clearly seem to make the two charges which Donuel mentioned, that Rumsfeld dragged his feet on providing help for Katrina victims, and that he gave Bush "intel reports with cover sheets complete with biblical quotes", suggesting that the Iraq War should be seen as a Crusade. Here is the slideshow.

Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld prevented Katrina Aid
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 May 09 - 09:17 PM

I agree McGrath. Where's the slant & misslant??

Those intel reports read like there from an religious extremist fundamentalist fanatic, all in the name of "American Democracy". Rummy belong in a cell at the far end of Cuba.

Steele, along with Cheney, Newt, Rush & a bunch of other extreme right wing "political terrorists" are not onnly out there & far beyond but they are also part of the forefront of the future wave of the Republican right & might. There is a strong collective of extreme rifght wingers that hold a lot of sway, influence & power & are determined to guide the extreme wing of their party to glory. They want to reshape & reinforce their will on us all & will stop at nothing to suceed. Rummy played his part & will hopefully go to his grave sooner than later. As for the rest of these right wing extreme they are & will, continue to put up roadblocks (just as Rummy did) to anything they can to halt Obama & any plans that may take America out of the hell they originally put us in. They do not care if they drive US deeper into the hell they've already put us in if it means that they'll suceed in their bid for the 2010 & 2012 elections. "Damn the torpedos & full speed ahead"!

Obama would do well to have them all investigated for their past war crimes, if only to silence them once & for all & put them in their place where they can do no further harm. He (Obama) is a far better man than I & far manter than they ever were.

Barry