BS: E Milliband was unelectable

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 08:56 AM

Perhaps I am the only one who clicks on Jim's links.
Steve, did you click?
Do you have any concerns about linking to the BNP website?

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 09:20 AM

"You could have just told us about it."
Could have told you whqat - the article is identified as a BNP statement - are you suggesting it should have come with a health warning
Did your extreme Islamophobic statements come with such a warning - they weren't even identified, yet you still defended them?
"Do you have any concerns about linking to the BNP website?"
Why on earth should anybody refuse to see what your lot are up to?
Leave it Keith - you're cover is blown
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 09:25 AM

From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 08:56 AM

Perhaps I am the only one who clicks on Jim's links.

Perhaps you are the only one complaining.
Jim was talking about right wing parties trying to rig the vote in an attempt to make Labour un-electable and linked to the BNP site as a perfect example.
Looking at an example of their tactics will not contaminate you unless you chose to follow them,read it as another reason not to support them.

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 09:30 AM

GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 09:25 AM
That was me

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 09:50 AM

As a matter of fact I did click on it. As far as I know it hasn't resulted in the end of the world. I'm puzzled by your indignation. What's yer beef, Keef?

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 09:57 AM

Derrick, are you happy to click on the BNP website?
If Jim had not hidden the address I would certainly have avoided it.
He could have just told us about their machinations, and given us the choice of linking to them.
That story hardly needed corroboration anyway.

Jim, you are again resorting to vindictive, malicious lying about me.
You can never just debate the issues.
I have no far right or Islamophobic views.

If you are not just a sleazy liar, produce an example that I have posted.
Good luck with that, liar.

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 09:58 AM

"I'm puzzled by your indignation.
I doubt if anybody is Steve - drowning man and straws and all that.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 10:00 AM

Steve, I think it likely they harvest info. from visitors, and I do not want to help their hit rate.

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 12:23 PM

Keith,
I only looked to see what the fuss was about,if you had not made such a big deal of the issue I would not have bothered.
Am I ashamed NO I am well over the age of consent and do not need your approval thank you.
All reading it did was remind me how nasty some folk are.

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 12:57 PM

No-one said you should be ashamed of anything Derrick.
Why that comment?
I gather that you and Steve are happy to be directed to a BNP site without warning.
OK. Perhaps it is just me, but I would have liked to have had the choice.
Of course you do not need approval Derrick, but I would prefer to be told what I was linking to.
I never disguise my links.

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 01:07 PM

Why link to a BNP site?

The ancient Chinese warrior Sun Tzu taught his men to "know your enemy" before going into battle. For if "you know your enemy and know yourself," he wrote, "you need not fear the result of a hundred battles." But, Sun Tzu warned, "If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat."

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 01:21 PM

"I never disguise my links."
Nobody has ever attempted to disguise links Keith and you are wriggling like a worm to suggest anybody ever has.
On numerous occasions you have put up unattributed quotes, and I, among many others, have traced them and pointed out where they came from.
Your stupid explanation of your objecting to my putting up a quote from the B.N.P is now getting beyond a joke.
Are you totally incapable of accepting that you made a blunder in doing so?
You were caught out targeting the left for allegedly "entryism" into the Labour Party and when it was pointed out to you that the Conservatives were being organised to do just that, you panicked.
If you knew they were, you were stupid to just target the left - it shows your right wing bias.
Personally, I think you were caught on the wrong foot and grabbed the first thing you thought of.
You say that infiltration into another party is of no interest to you, which, as far as I am concerned, is an indication of your contempt for democracy in Britain - everybody should be interested when the electoral process is being interfered with.
I suggest you stop this nowe, before you dig yourself any deeper into the mess than you already have
If you reall were concerned about linking extremist threads, you would not have supported Bobad's huge Muslim Watch links the way you did
When in a hole - stop digging
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 01:41 PM

No-one said you should be ashamed of anything Derrick.
Why that comment?
In response to your question "Derrick, are you happy to click on the BNP website?
I took that to be a criticism of my action implying looking at a BNP
was questionable behaviour.
Clicking on the link whether or not the destination is given is the only way to see what the site says.
If you have not seen it you are not qualified to comment, believing it must be bad just because the BNP authored the site is presumptuous.
I simply cannot see why you are so annoyed you were not prewarned.

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 03:34 PM

Jim,
You were caught out targeting the left for allegedly "entryism" into the Labour Party and when it was pointed out to you that the Conservatives were being organised to do just that, you panicked

I was the first person to report that Tories were voting for Corbyn, long before entryism by the far left was referred to.

That makes nonsense of your silly accusation.

you were stupid to just target the left

I targeted neither.
No-one was interested in one and it finished.
It was other people who kept the other going.

None of this is an issue for me.
I just find it interesting

On numerous occasions you have put up unattributed quotes, and I, among many others, have traced them

Easy. Just Google the text to see where it came from.
There was no way of knowing where your disguised link would lead.

Guest Derrick, it seems it is just me who objects to being linked to racist organisations.
Sorry I raised the issue.

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Sep 15 - 06:54 PM

So what "info" could they "harvest" from me that they couldn't harvest from reading Mudcat or TheSession or half a dozen other sites I visit? Or the electoral register? Give over, Keith. You may go around watching your back all the time but I'd rather enjoy life. And I'm controversial and have been for yonks. And I only ever use my real name. So far, so good!

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 13 Sep 15 - 12:55 AM

Controversial ? How so ?

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Sep 15 - 03:15 AM

"Easy. Just Google the text to see where it came from."
You pathetically tried to make an issue out of my putting up a BNP statement boasting to have infiltrated the Labour Party - you didn't even have toGoogle4 it - it was self identified - stop wriggling, you're on the hook.
You defended pages and pages of claims from the extremist racist 'Muslim Watch' - lie down, your dead.
Tou targeted and persistently pursued (claims only of) left entryism into The Labour party and ignored the fact that the Tories were doing it - "nobody was interested" does't hack it - if entryism concerned you, the fact that the Tories were doing it openly in a campaign let by the Daily Telegraph should have outraged you - understandably it didn't because it got in the way of your one-man campaign - lie down, your dead.
If it doesn't interest you tha you are uninterested in democracy in Britain - we already knew that.
Nobody but an idiot objects to linking to racist organisations unless it is in support of those organisations - if you chosse to ignore what those organisations are saying you have no way of knowing what they are saying.
You are still trying to use this lame excuse to defend your blunder.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Sep 15 - 04:14 AM

Steve, I meant cookies and IP info.
I gather that no-one else thinks there is a risk.
Also they will use hit rate as a measure of support.
I would just prefer to give them a wide birth, but clearly that is just me.

Jim,
it was self identified - stop wriggling,

It was not. There was no way of knowing what you were linking to.

Tou targeted and persistently pursued (claims only of) left entryism into The Labour party and ignored the fact that the Tories were doing it

Not true. I referred to both, and Tories first.
One I was asked for evidence, then more evidence, and one was ignored.

You defended pages and pages of claims from the extremist racist 'Muslim Watch'

That is a lie.
I never defended it or any other site, but I remember the incident.

Someone posted a list of killings that probably came from that site.
Like you I was suspicious of it, although I remembered some of the incidents making the news.

I made a random selection of ones I did not know of and checked them out.
I am sure you did the same.

Neither of us, nor anyone else, was able to find a single false entry.
That was a fact, and stating it is not defending the website.

Once again Jim, you accuse me of all sorts of shit instead of discussing the issues.
You always make it about me.
Please stop.

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Sep 15 - 07:07 AM

Can you tell us when or where they brag about their hit-rate?

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Sep 15 - 08:01 AM

"Someone posted a list of killings that probably came from that site."
Bobad - did -you, knowing where it came from, defended the posting and instructed the rest of us to wade through the whole heap of shit and find anything wrong - you argumentatively defended the first dozen.
How dare you accuse me of "disguising" an identified link, and how stupid can you get in claiming having been offended when you're happy to use such material from extremist sources when it suits you.
I'l bet you're "sorry you raised the issue" - another fine mess you've got yourself into".
When will you ever learn?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: E Milliband was unelectable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Sep 15 - 09:09 AM

Steve,
Can you tell us when or where they brag about their hit-rate?
No. Sorry.
They may not have anything to brag about anyway, but I imagine most sites rate themselves by hits.

Jim,
use such material from extremist sources when it suits you.

I never have.
I did not use the one in question.
I just looked for fakery, as I'm sure you and others did.

instructed the rest of us to wade through the whole heap of shit and find anything wrong

He did not even ask anyone to do that.
I was just suspicious, as you were.