Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?

Subject: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 05:48 AM

Just because a thread is closed it doesn't mean it can't be opened.
MacGrath of Harlow stated this on the main forum and in the following HELP forum thread – I asked if it was possible to re-open one.

Why was my thread closed twice?

Is it possible and if it is - how does one set about getting a perfectly non-offensive thread re-opened - like the one in question here, that perhaps should never have been closed in the first place?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 05:52 AM

Yes, I've had a few threads opened, just PM Joe stating which thread you would like opened.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 06:01 AM

What is the procedure if one is not a member and one cannot send a personal message and why would one receive a different answer in a PM to the same question asked on the HELP forum?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 06:05 AM

Dunno, ask Joe.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 06:30 AM

John has confirmed it here but as a general principle anywhere, it is most likely possible. A simple way, and the way I use is just to have a status flag together with the other info for the thread. If the status is marked "open", a text box allowing a user to post is given. If closed, no box appears and a message is displayed. Like much of this suff, it is quite trivial.

Although it hasn't been really used, I extend my use of flags for status for something similar to a permathread here. Every thread has an owner, normally 0 meaning general thread but when I change that for a memberID, that member becomes the owner and has the rights to edit it for the purpose of maintaing a reference. Again, it's a no-brainer to apply.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 06:47 AM

"Can"

"May"

"Will"

Three different concepts.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 06:50 AM

LOL Foolstroupe. You are quite right of course.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 06:57 AM

Why would anyone who didn't want to be a member want to send a PM anyway? No, please don't answer, that's a rhetorical question.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: nutty
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 10:30 AM

Shambles ... I would be happy to support you in getting the "Goodbye" thread reopened if it meant you were actually going to go.

If you intend staying then please stop clogging this forum with totally useless threads.

You are so aptly named and are starting to get on my nerves and I am sure I am not alone.

You are acting like an unwelcome guest at a party where the hosts are trying to be polite.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Amos
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 10:42 AM

Roger,

If you take responsibility for your individual communications with Joe, it will create an effect. If you do not, continuing to pump out sulfurous spiels of rococo blame and shame, then that too will create an effect. You will lives with the results of your choices. Frankly, you do not seem happy, in spite of the Herculean efforts you have made. Perhaps a reassessment is in order of how to effectively relate to others in this community.

A

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 12:16 PM

I'm with Nutty...

Shambles... get a life

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 12:26 PM

or a hamster.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 12:52 PM

I wouldn't wish that on the hamster

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 07:36 PM

Please leave the bearer of the message alone. If you don't like the message then please ignore it.

Perhaps a reassessment is in order of how to effectively relate to others in this community.

Perhaps a reassessment is in order of what this strange (and small) community you refer to is and how it treats those whose views may differ?

This is a discussion forum - we post our views - these views differ - you can't control the views of others - live with it.

Lets get it straight: A perfectly acceptable thread is closed by a volunteer and folk are warned publicly that it is closed - and that any further contributions to it will be deleted. Not too sure why or what possible damage this thread can do. Sometime later and for less than positive reasons it IS refreshed but some additional posts are added. It is closed again and I why on the HELP forum and if it can be re-opened.

Now I have to send a Personal Message to a fellow member - who I really have no desire contact at all - to ask if the thread can be re-opened?

Perhaps someone would care to discuss address why this thread in particular (and others)had to be closed at all?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 07:58 PM

Of course, threads can be reopened. There are some old threads that we closed for a number of noncontroversial reasons, usually because the topic is no longer current, or because there were a number of threads open on the subject, and that made things confusing. If there's a good reason in that sort of situation, we'll generally be glad to reopen a thread. Only Max, Jeff, and Joe have the authority to reopen a thread, so I suggest that you contact one of them directly.

Other threads were closed because they were personal attacks or because they became an all-out brawl. It's not really in the best interest of Mudcat for us to re-open old wounds. Besides, it's easy enough for people to start a new thread and link to the closed one. As for deleted threads, it is very unlikely that we would wish to undelete them. We generally think long and hard before we make a decision to delete or close a thread - it's not a decision we make lightly, and it's not a decision that we're likely to reverse.

You can appeal a thread-closing or deletion decision to Max, if you like. The best way to contact him is by e-mail. It is unlikely that anyone would consider a thread reopening request that is posted in the Forum.

Joe Offer, [e-mail]

(max is [e-mail] jeff is [e-mail])

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 08:02 PM

Perhaps Shambles, you will demonstrate the ability to state your objections in a matter of one or two sentances. Others may have a better clue as to what you rabbit on about given that simple help..

A list of long winded posts and quotes does not help to enable your point to be read. I found the same with the PEL threads here and those were something I cared about. Much of my life involves playing in sessions but a load of waffle/ twaffle does not do me any good.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 08:07 PM

We seem to have been thrown - down in the BS?

Rather than bother Max - it would be a nice friendly gesture if you could just re-open it please?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 08:11 PM

OK, so I heard your request, Shambles.
Request denied.
Next step in the appeal process is to e-mail Max, [e-mail].

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 08:31 PM

It is unlikely that anyone would consider a thread reopening request that is posted in the Forum.

Is this not a bit of a double standard? As there appears to be no end of forum requests for judgement and for editing action to be imposed upon the contributions of other posters. The entire HELP forum is full of such requests and I have never seen any suggestion there that these requests are unlikely to be granted - volunteers appear to be falling over themselves in order to grant these requests.

These request are not discouraged even now but are now requested to be made secretly.

All that I am asking is for a thread to be opened that I started and that many people people were kind enough to say nice things about me in. It would show respect to those posters and make a pleasant change to most of the current threads which seem to be saying not very nice things about me - many of these do not seem to be closed.......

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Peace
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 08:35 PM

Hell is the impossibility of reason.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 08:45 PM

The latest from the HELP forum.

Subject: RE: Please delete thread (s)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18-Sep-04 - 07:20 PM

Public discussions of thread deletions are problematic, so we'd ask that you contact us privately if you have objections to a thread. We don't encourage thread deletion requests, and we deny many (maybe most) requests for deletion. However, we're certainly open to pruivate discussion. Public discussion of objectionable things only serves to call attention to them.
The Martin Gibson thread in question was deleted.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 09:08 PM

Personal attack thead - please delete

The above link is to just one HELP forum thread where these requests were then encouraged. There is some satisfaction that these requests are seemingly not now to be encouraged to be made publicly on the forum.

Not too sure if encouraging them to be made in secret is any better - but it IS a change and perhaps it is the start of a few more changes?

Public discussion of objectionable things only serves to call attention to them.

This IS a public discussion forum and calling attention to things for discussion is surely one of its main purposes? Whether the things you may be bringing attention to are considered 'objectionable' is a matter of opinion - the expression of which - is also what a public discussion forum is for...........But perhaps I have gotten this wrong?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 09:20 PM

Sorry, Shambles. I don't want to do battle with you. I will do my job, and do my very best to ignore your badgering. I will provide information when requested, but I see no reason to defend my decisions to anybody but Max. If you wish to question my decision, talk to Max.

As for me, I need a little help with the Russian on the Proshchai thread. Can anybody help? I'm here for music, not for battle.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 05:28 AM

"Please leave the bearer of the message alone. If you don't like the message then please ignore it."

Please leave the Joe(clones) do their job alone. If you don't like what they do then please ignore it.

Shambles, you explain twice daily that we should not interfere with something about which we have no control, when will you listen to your own advice?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 06:12 AM

This is what Wesley S came up with. I don't think that it has appeared in the FAQ yet......?

Grant our members and guests the serenity to accept the things they cannot change - the courage to change the things they can - and the wisdom to realise that this is a forum open to the public and that they have no control over the posts and ideas of others

We have control over many things - starting with our own actions.

The starting point here is to accept that we do not have any control over the posting of others. That is what I accept and what I think is wise to first accept. It is not wise to stand in front of a stampeding herd of elephants whilst under the illusion that you have any control over them.

However, this simple fact is not accepted by many members who seem to think that not only that they do have some control over the postings of others but that they have every right to judge and impose editing action on everyone else and shape our forum by this.

Whilst these people believe and are supported in this stupid illusion and encourage everyone else to be just as judgemental - and to exert control only for the greater good of the cause - it is rather difficult for me (or any other poster) to ignore.....For these well-intentioned folk keep closing and deleting entire threads - because they can't take the time just to edit the offending posts.

I have no idea why this thread was closed the first time and I have no idea why it was closed a second time or what possible harm it could or can do to anyone if it were to be re-opened, as I politely request.

Wolfgang instead of just keep posting to criticise me you could just control yourself and ignore all of my postings? - Or you could actually address the issue and tell me what harm this thread could do - if it were to be re-opened?

Is it just the fear that the act of re-opening it may possibly be seen to challenge the authority of the original decision? And of those who feel they must be seen to make the attempt to continue control the postings of others for the sake only of exerting that control - whatever the long-term effect of all this judgement and imposition may be.....?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 06:31 AM

,Waffle-Twaffle

I love that one Jon!!!!!!!!!!! It has such a wonderfully British sound about it. Is there some department of state that specializes in this? Like "spin doctors" who put whjatever face on a subject that's needed or supply voluminous rhetoric loaded heavily in double talk. Shambles could be the Minister Waffle-Twaffle!

Oh, I dunno'..........Maybe the boy has a point. I have no idea what it might be but it seems he keeps himself together becasue he has a cause. Maybe I need a cause too.................hmmmm.....okay........

JOE OFFER: I would like to formally petition that you (or Max or Jeff) close every thread where The Shambles has showered us in Waffle-Twaffle regarding the closing of threads. Those not closed will be subject to additional waffle-twaffle by myself and others and will also be permitted to carry my personal tag line, "Have a Coke and a smile and shut the fuck up."

Sincerely Yours in Better Waffle-Twaffle,

Spaw

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 06:37 AM

Is there a limit on the number of times you are going to post that, Shables? Without, it wold seem, even for a moment recognising that, as Wolfgang just pointed out, it applies to yourself.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 06:47 AM

Apparently not Mac!!! Shambles seems to prefer the rhetorical equivalent of sticking a lit firecracker up his ass several times a day and complaining that it is not helping his 'roids!

Also, I must say that the last paragraph in that particular missive......

"Is it just the fear that the act of re-opening it may possibly be seen to challenge the authority of the original decision? And of those who feel they must be seen to make the attempt to continue control the postings of others for the sake only of exerting that control - whatever the long-term effect of all this judgement and imposition may be.....?"

......is complete gibberish and the epitome of the Waffle-Twaffling art. Truly masterful Shambles!

Spaw

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 06:52 AM

Fair enough and thanks friends for putting this thread back to the top again.

If whilst going to all the trouble to do this and simply judge my worth - you could you please at least address the issue? What harm would re-opening this thread do?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 09:22 AM

Always happy to bring this back to the top for you as many of us look forward to your super human ability to plumb new depths of waffle-twaffling. Sadly though, no more of it is needed here. The problem in answering your question is that it isn't the question at all. Once upon a time it perhaps was the question but through all the ramblings and after slaughtering several horses unmercifully beaten into gelatinous masses, there is no question left. You are now simply engaged with Joe in a No-Win power struggle and the rest of us are getting either bored to tears or a lot of laughs at your expense.

As to what your original question may have been......"What is wrong with re-opening the thread?".......Hell, I don't know. But then again, I'm not the one who has to answer you as I can't re-open the thread. At some point in the distant past, Joe gave an answer to that but I neither recall what it was nor do I have the passion and inclination you posess in such ponderous quantities to go back and find it. There have been a bezillion postings on this shit and I ain't bustin' my chops to find Joe's original answer.

It wouldn't matter a rat's ass anyway as you didn't like his answer then and I doubt if you would now. In any case, the real issue has become this: You say A, Joe says B. You say only Max can say B. Joe agrees with you about talking to Max and tells you to talk to Max. In the simplest of terms, that's it in a nutshell. My question is simple as well. If Max responds by saying B, will you drop this?

It should be wholly obvious to you that almost no one cares about this besides you. If there are a few that do, I would hope that they would have the sense to accept any answer Max might give as being definitive. For my part, should Max say A or B or "Fuck you Spaw," I will accept the answer.

So write to Max. Let us know how it comes out. No more waffle-twaffle is needed here.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 10:21 AM

You asked the question in the Help forum and got an answer you didn't like. You then asked the same question here in the main forum as if it had never been asked. I ask myself why you would do such a thing.

You already received an answer from Joe, so you're not asking him. In fact, since he IS the authority, you're not even really asking. You're disingenuously trying to drum up support in your personal anti-Joe campaign, which includes complaining about every little thing you see him or any other admin type doing - and I mean LITTLE. It seems more like what a disgruntled control-freak wannabe-authority figure on a mission to 'get' anyone who has any authority does.

You've chosen some particularly insignificant molehills to turn into mountains, you've picked an adversary that doesn't want to fight, you've at least implied that people here are poor stupid sheep who are too afraid to speak for themselves and need some white knight to come to their rescue. In short, it's time to think about your real reasons for doing all this Joe-stalking stuff. It looks like nothing more than a rather one-sided pissing contest to me, Maybe you need the attention, but I can't even say for sure that's what I think your motive is because you've never ONCE stated what you want. In any case, what's actually happening is that you're alienating more and more fellow posters with each nit picked. People aren't as stupid as you'd like to believe.

On the other hand, perhaps you should just keep going. I'll admit I enjoy watching the occasional train wreck, and this 'descent into madness' thing is a whole lot more entertaining than most of the political threads. You might be a fairly decent guy in real life, but that isn't the message you're getting accross here, and it's you who've made 'the messenger' the issue. Clue: What IS 'the message'?

[aside to Spaw: I just thought of a new word to describe one of the Layabouts at Large community outreach activities: 'inactivism'.]

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 10:51 AM

I don't know spaw. Perhaps all I can comment on with relation to the UK (and I don't claim to be good at it myself) is the skill of concise writing seems sadly lacking. It's one that has got to me in education later in life. You get maybe an assignemt to contian 1000 words. Some people can say more in 500 than others can in maybe 20,000.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 10:58 AM

I like that one Jeri!!!

And Jon......The skill seems to be lacking here in the US as well. Frankly though, the general ability to write anything seems to have gone the way of the woolly mammoth in this country. The internet isn't helping.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 11:18 AM

It helps and it harms at the same time. It provides the opportunity to write concisely and well, and the temptation to drone on for ever. We get both sorts here, sometimes from the same people.

It's always been the case that it takes far more time and effort to write a good short piece than a mediocre long piece. "Sorry this is so long - I didn't have time to write it shorter" is a time-honoured writers' excuse.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 11:25 AM

In a former life, I had two step-kids...boys about 13-14 at the time, who considered themselves 'free spitits'....one day they decided they wanted to go downtown and 'swim in the new fountain at the civic center'...I said "no".....they whined and pleaded and started asking "why?". I tried to give reasoned answers, but soon, after about the 10th "why?", I said something like "Because 3 legged elephants can't dance on stairways"
      ...they said "huh?. what's that got to do with it?"....I said "nothing, but you are not interested in reason, or my authority, or ANY answer except the one you want, so what difference does it make whether I give the right answer or a totally silly one...the answer is still "no! I GET to decide, and the answer is NO!"

but when "tilting at windmills" is someone's major hobby, I guess ALL answers just spur them on to greater efforts.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 01:59 PM

The message is clearly coming through that the authority is Max and not our volunteers. If Max is to have the final say in re-opening threads - perhaps it would be far better for him to also have the final say in closing and deleting entire threads?

Then the thread in question would not have been closed even once, let alone twice, for there were never any grounds to do so.

And Jon......The skill seems to be lacking here in the US as well. Frankly though, the general ability to write anything seems to have gone the way of the woolly mammoth in this country. The internet isn't helping.

This is the valued opinion of one whose posts here (or rather personal attacks) seem unable to resist scatological references and display all the symptoms of Tourettes in their inabilty to leave out the F word. And the pedants who consider that correcting the spelling, grammar and writing style etc of other posters and who were discouraged from doing this here for so long - would appear to have taken over completly.

But please don't waste your time just posting to blindly defend something by calling me names, questioning my parentage, sanity or motives. It has had no effect on me for many years except to make you look silly to the majority of posters who have no idea why you are all jumping up and down. It only brings the thread right back up. This is simply my view - agree, disagree or ignore it.

Perhaps if you do post again - you could address why the thread in question is so bad it needed to be closed twice and why simply re-opening it, as I request, would really be so terrible?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 02:01 PM

The message is clearly coming through that the authority is Max and not our volunteers. If Max is to have the final say in re-opening threads - perhaps it would be far better for him to also have the final say in closing and deleting entire threads?

Max DID have the final say. He delegated it to Joe.

~Susan

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 02:08 PM

I wrote this on a thread on the Help forum, but then thought I'd bring it over. A song that goes round in a circle amd gets nowhere...

I said it once and I said it twice,
And then I said it once again.
And then in case you hadn't heard,
I said it twice times over.
But don't do thinking that I'm done,
I'm very far from finished,
From dawn to setting of the sun,
My stamina's undimished.

I said it once and I said it twice,
And then I said it once again.
And then in case you hadn't heard,
I said it twice times over.
And though you think you've heard it all,
And try to change the topic,
I still persist to vent my gall -
There's no way you can stop it.

I said it once and I said it twice,
And then I said it once again.
And then in case you hadn't heard,
I said it twice times over.
And little fleas have little fleas
Upon their backs to bite em,
And smaller fleas have smaller fleas,
And so ad infinitum.

I said it once and I said it twice,
And then I said it once again.
And then in case you hadn't heard,
I said it twice times over.
But don't do thinking that I'm done,
I'm very far from finished,
From dawn to setting of the sun,
My stamina's undimished...

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 02:17 PM

... repeat, ad nauseum...

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 02:43 PM

The Driving Seat

Don't care where we're going
Or if we get there alive
Don't care who comes with me
Just as long as I can drive

Don't mind how cold it gets
And I can stand the heat
Don't care what falls off the car
For I'm in the diving seat

It's my ass in the driving seat –and it's my hand on the wheel
It's my foot on the pedal - control – is what I feel

Up to me to choose the route
And if then, I should stray
Don't matter how bad the road
We'll go down it any way

If I'm driving round in circles
Going fast or slow
Or disappearing up my own ass
That's where I want to go

It's my ass in the driving seat –and it's my hand on the wheel
It's my foot on the pedal - control – is what I feel

What counts is, I'm in control
Come along for the ride
Don't suggest that I slow down
That's up to me to decide

This car that I am driving
Well it's not mine, you say
You keep the registration
Won't give my seat away

It's my ass in the driving seat –and it's my hand on the wheel
It's my foot on the pedal - control – is what I feel

I give you fair warning
Don't try to take the keys
For as we head toward the desert
Remember Thelma and Louise

For I know what you are up to
Just get off my case
Rather crash into the canyon
Than let you take my place

It's my ass in the driving seat –and it's my hand on the wheel
It's my foot on the pedal - control – is what I feel

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 02:46 PM

"Don't care what falls off the car
For I'm in the diving seat"

A tribute to Senator Kennedy ?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 02:51 PM

Keven said: - and posted it here for at least the third time....

Is there a limit on the number of times you are going to post that, Shables? Without, it wold seem, even for a moment recognising that, as Wolfgang just pointed out, it applies to yourself.

Susan said:
Max DID have the final say. He delegated it to Joe.

Joe Offer says:
You can appeal a thread-closing or deletion decision to Max, if you like. The best way to contact him is by e-mail. It is unlikely that anyone would consider a thread reopening request that is posted in the Forum.

Joe Offer,

Joe seems to have delegated it right back.........

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 02:54 PM

There were ten in the bed,
and the little one said, roll over, roll over.
So they all rolled over, and one fell out.

There were ten in the bed,
and the little one said, roll over, roll over
So they all rolled over, and one fell out...

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 02:55 PM

There were ten in the bed,
and the little one said, roll over, roll over.
So they all rolled over, and one fell out.

There were nine in the bed,
and the little one said, roll over, roll over
So they all rolled over, and one fell out...

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 03:01 PM

The wheels on the bus go round and round.....

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,Martian Gibbon
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 03:03 PM

round and round, round and round, the.....

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 03:04 PM

No, he's telling you one can always appeal a decision made by him to the one who delegated it to him.    In Joe's case, as far as Mudcat is concerned, that would be Max.

In the US, this would be standard, chain-of-command procedure. If one doesn't like what someone can do for one, one asks for their supervisor. I dunno how it is in the UK on that score-- but since the people involved are in the US, it would be logical to expect it to work like this.

~S~

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: GUEST,Don Filth
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 03:20 PM

Guest, Martian Gibbon, does your pink behind glow in the dark?

I will explain to you how that happens in 500 words or more.

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 04:19 PM

Can someone here provide me with a good, concise definition of folk music?

Subject: RE: Tech: Can closed threads be re-opened?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 09:49 PM

Mr Shambles-Shut up and go away.

john