BS: Welcome back Boris

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 10 May 12 - 12:00 PM

'unless you are very rich there is nothing for you in voting tory' interesting point al. (mind you, unless you are quite happy with a government who is going to tinker around with the details of a grossly unjust and destructive capitalism there is nothing for us in voting for any of the major parties)
Could any of the usual tories on here - seriously- answer this question, something a bit more thoughtful and honest than the typical banter and slagging off?
i feel i should vote for a candidate that is most likely to represent my concerns - my interests(certainly financial)-may not always be the prime concern. i won't vote for warmongers and i won't vote for anyone prepared to favour the wealthy over the rest of us or profit over the environment.
what motivates anyone to vote tory?

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 May 12 - 02:03 PM

wild generalisation....I thought I had been quite particular, and personal.

Never mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 May 12 - 03:57 PM

Buggered if I know Pete. Don has this idea that he had more money in his pocket under conservatives.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 May 12 - 07:52 PM

""Don has this idea that he had more money in his pocket under conservatives.""

The Tories were, whether you like it or not, the party which polled most votes.

Your preferred party wimped out of forming a coalition, the first choice of the LibDems, because they knew that they could not deal with the deficit without alienating the public, and they preferred to dump their mess in Cameron's lap, so that the brickbats would come his way.

The last thing on the minds of Ed Millipede and his cronies is the welfare of the country. They stand for the Trade Unions who pay for their campaigns, and for the Labour Party which wants to control the population from cradle to grave.

It is not so much that I have more money in my pocket under the Tories, though generally I do, it is more that I get to choose what I do with what I have.

I prefer to be a free agent paying tax on what I choose to spend, rather than a slave to Labour taking it off me before I even see it, and spending it on whatever they choose without concern or reference to my wishes.

I know that willing serfs like RB will never understand this in a million years, simply because they truly believe that all property is theft.

What they can never tell me is this. If I have, by the sweat of my brow earned a few quid, what right has the government, once having received its tax, to tell me how I must spend the residue?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 May 12 - 07:53 PM

yes but would he have more money if he had to pay the market value of any drugs or medical treatment he or his family received.


I feel genuinely sorry for our American cousins on mudcat - I've heard them trying to decide which drugs their doctor has prescribed for them they can afford - which they can risk trying to do without.

That's what tories are voting for - working class ones anyway. the Borises of this world will always be all right.

How the Dons of this world can be so blind, I can't understand. I never blamed Thatcher - she was only taking care of her own. I blamed the Daily Mail readers who voted for her.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 May 12 - 02:38 AM

Well we work for our private medical treatment, in fact we are paying for a DEXA scan for my wife - £230, who will walk away with a written report to hand to her back surgeon a couple of hours later.

The waiting time to have this done on the NHS is 4-6 weeks - which is after collecting "the form" from the NHS hospital, completing it, returning it and then waiting for them to notify you the appointment time - without any regard to whether that time is convenient!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 May 12 - 02:53 AM

And on top of that - no chance of an NHS hospital handing a copy of the DEXA report to my wife, it has to go to the GP - by second class post, so is unlikely to be in the hands of her back surgeon for a further two weeks at least.

Well worth the cost of a service and MOT to my car.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 11 May 12 - 03:37 AM

Don T, the tory party may have polled the most votes but in fact as you well know, more people voted against them than for them.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Musket
Date: 11 May 12 - 04:23 AM

Notwithstanding my views on Boris, Ken, Tory, Labour etc.

The second class stamp Bonzo refers to is the PAC system where the GP would look at the scan in real time at his or her desk.

Although the consultant is the person who would be most interested, not the GP, and scans sent to a GP are few and far between unless the GP is carrying out the intervention..

My last scan was asked for by the consultant (actually the registrar) when I was at the clinic and was carried out about an hour later, (including the 20 mins finding the radiology department....

The NHS still has a long way to go, but it isn't either the bonzo nor indeed the Lansley NHS that reflects reality. I find it bemusing that we have a secretary of state who is using ten year old statistics to make the NHS look bad in order to drive through his privatisation reforms.

The problem is, and as a dirty rotten stinking troughing capitalist myself, I find it doubly curious, the NHS has consistently shown that some socialist ideas work and work well. Not that the drug barons like it, as they don't get to medicalise lifestyle as much as they do in The States...

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 May 12 - 04:41 AM

The consultant requesting the DEXA scan was seen privately, but he referred her to the only hospital providing this scan locally, being the NHS hospital - the delay is totally unacceptable to my wife with the amount of pain she is suffering, so she spent yesterday morning phoning numerous private hospitals within reasonable travelling distance, hitting the jackpot with the London Independent Hospital in London.

She now has to complete the circle by seeing a GP today for a referral letter. It's amazing how many people think they always have to go through their GP - no no no no no.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 11 May 12 - 04:43 AM

"The last thing on the minds of Ed Millipede and his cronies is the welfare of the country. They stand for the Trade Unions who pay for their campaigns, and for the Labour Party which wants to control the population from cradle to grave."

I'd agree with most of that except the bit about the Trades Unions. When in power Labour did little to restore the Unions after Thatcher had decimated them.

Labour is now a centre right party which stands primarily for International Capital and the Free Market - and only marginally for the Trades Unions.

"[Labour] wimped out of forming a coalition, the first choice of the LibDems, because they knew that they could not deal with the deficit without alienating the public, and they preferred to dump their mess in Cameron's lap, so that the brickbats would come his way."

That's true as well (what the hell am I doing agreeing with Don!). As the Journalist, Mark Steel said in the 'Independent' the other day, Labour would be making the same cuts ... but, possibly, implementing them more slowly.

And Labour has achieved something else as well - destroyed the LibDems - the only vaguely centre left party we had left. It's not only Daily Mail readers who use their votes unwisely!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 May 12 - 05:00 AM

I seem to recollect that Gordon Brown invited the Limp Dems to coalesce but they preferred the arrogant posh boys.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 May 12 - 06:05 AM

The only thing that would revive the power of the unions is if we had a thriving economy and manufacturing industries, the ones Thatcher destroyed.(oh yes it was the wicked unions - no! she did for 28% in her first year of office - that was some going - England is still reeling from the trauma of being ruled by an idiot)

Can't see it happening under labour or anyone else. We have to move on to whatever is next in our history.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 May 12 - 06:08 AM

"[Labour] wimped out of forming a coalition, the first choice of the LibDems, because they knew that they could not deal with the deficit without alienating the public, and they preferred to dump their mess in Cameron's lap, so that the brickbats would come his way."

How very true indeed, and a fact that the arrogant left prefer to forget.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 May 12 - 10:32 AM

""How the Dons of this world can be so blind, I can't understand. I never blamed Thatcher - she was only taking care of her own. I blamed the Daily Mail readers who voted for her.""

There are more of us than there are of any other political group in the UK.

That ought to tell you something.

The "filthy rich" so detested by the Richard Bridges of this land, with their ingrained hatred of those they secretly envy, represent only a tiny percentage of those who vote Tory.

The rest of us vote the way we do because we are sick to f**king death of the "Nanny State" telling us how we can live our lives and what we can spend our money and leisure time on.

FYI I do not read the "Mail", or in fact any other of the supposed "News"papers.

There isn't one of them that's fit for use as arse wipes.

I keep my eyes and ears open and use my brain to inform myself, and I make up my own bloody mind.

So, Labour party? Bollocks!.... You've got to be terminally stupid to vote for that bunch of useless wankers.

The closest kin of that lot would be the chimps at the zoo, running round and round their enclosure, stopping only to hoy their own shit at the visitors.

Just what Millipede et al are doing politically.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 May 12 - 10:38 AM

""I seem to recollect that Gordon Brown invited the Limp Dems to coalesce but they preferred the arrogant posh boys.""

That has been hinted at several times, but when the LibDems were trying to decide where they were going they approached Brown first and he made himself unavailable.

So, no, he didn't!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 11 May 12 - 11:15 AM

At least do us the honour of telling the truth Don, avarice and greed is what you vote for.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,John from Kemsing
Date: 11 May 12 - 11:43 AM

Big Al,
       Long before Mrs. T arrived on the scene as PM the far east(Japan, Taiwan, Korea, predominantly) had set out their stall regarding meaningful manufacturing. Having got past the copying era they developed their own design, development, efficient/cost effective production and quality levels. The die was cast and the world was hooked, even the USA. Ship building, m/cycles, vehicles, electronics, machine tools, cameras - where does one stop?. China has now taken the lead albeit now facing domestic pressure with their workforce seeking higher expectations. It was like a slow tsunami and not a lot could be done to stop it, especially in a world of free enterprise. Thank heavens we still command respect in the defence and aero business and certain far east companies have seen fit to invest in our country. Germany must also be congratulated for the way its private businesses have weathered the storm with strong exports outside the EU. To lay all the blame on Mrs.T without considering the above is somewhat off target.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 May 12 - 12:45 PM

Not all the blame John- 90% shall we say?

As for you Don,

'FYI I do not read the "Mail", or in fact any other of the supposed "News"papers.

There isn't one of them that's fit for use as arse wipes.

I keep my eyes and ears open and use my brain to inform myself'

I think the source of all this information your brain processes must be The Beano. YOu have decided you're more of a Lord Snooty Fan, than Dennis the Menace.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 11 May 12 - 03:21 PM

"The rest of us vote the way we do because we are sick to f**king death of the "Nanny State" telling us how we can live our lives and what we can spend our money and leisure time on."

I suppose, Don, that you're really talking about that favourite Thatcherite word, "choice"(?) An inocuous word which seems so cosy and reasonable - until you realise that if you've got no money, you've got no choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 May 12 - 03:31 PM

WTF does it have to do with non Londoners, who is mayor?
All we ever see in these threads is doctrinaire crap.
Why don't you add, Labour, Conservative, or BNP to your Mudcat name, and we'll assume the rest of the shite, as read?

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 May 12 - 03:39 PM

Well, one reason is that Boris alas affects many outside London - as currently with his support for his own version of the pyramids - Boris Island - which would aggravate tidal heave in the Thames estuary, create the word's best terrorist target, destroy internationally protected wildlife, turn half of Kent and Essex into building sites for 10 years, and also engender the world's greatest risk of birdstrike - to create an airport that the airlines don't want there and which the head of air traffic control has called insanely dangerous - to provide more air travel which the world does not need and which will speed up the destruction of our ecosystem.

Boris "Bloody Stupid" Johnson. And that is not (as he would put it) a "fucking lie".

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 May 12 - 03:54 PM

John Prescott talked about turning most of estuarine Kent into a new town/building site. So don't blame one person.
Governments for years have failed to address the problemm of the whole of England, (and Scotland) is predicated on the South East, and/or the Home Counties. It's too late to do anything about it now! Whoever plans it, or whatever colour he/she sails under.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 May 12 - 06:42 PM

That, John, is irrelevant to the question of whether Boris is a threat outside London.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 May 12 - 04:26 AM

I think Boris' effect on the Thames estuary WAS mentioned Richard. I was merely pointing out that other people have threatened upheaval in the region. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 May 12 - 04:51 AM

But those of us who like to travel, rather than camping at folk festivals, need airport facilities.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 May 12 - 07:42 AM

I suggest a combination of sex and travel might suit ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 May 12 - 02:21 PM

The point was not the extreme stupidity of this particular airport (and why should you be allowed Bonzo, to destroy the planet for your recreation?) but to point out that Boris is a menace not only to Londoners but also to others.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 May 12 - 06:01 PM

""I think the source of all this information your brain processes must be The Beano. YOu have decided you're more of a Lord Snooty Fan, than Dennis the Menace.""

Please spare us that puerile fucking crap about all Tories being posh layabouts, and come to that about all rich people being Tories.

You know damn well neither is true, just as I know that not all socialists are poor ragged trousered sons of toil.

Just go through the list of the one hundred richest, and then look at all the fifty to one hundred thousand a year men who support the left.

Truly rich people are about 5% of the population, and even if every single one voted Tory (which is far off the truth), they could not have produced the roughly 40% that voted Tory at the last election.

Don T

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 May 12 - 08:06 PM

Its like that Austalian joke though, Don.

How do you get fifty poms in a phone box?

Make one a foreman, and the rest will crawl up his arse.

It may be a cliche (or a clitch as they say en Paree) but the reason is its a truism - is cos its true.

Honestly Don - you carry on like you're David Cameron's personal tapeworm.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 May 12 - 06:55 AM

And now that you have proved you have no counter argument other than ad hominem attack, I don't see much point in discussing further with one so epitomising the very worst of working class inverse snobbery.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 May 12 - 11:21 AM

What is Don talking about?

Answers on a postcard....

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Musket
Date: 13 May 12 - 12:34 PM

When Sheffield Wednesday play well, I shout from the rooftop.

When they play crap (not that they ever do, you understand...) I give out a million and one excuses for them.

Methinks some see politics in the same light?

There is one way, and one way only to be empowered. Be a floating voter. In order to do so, you have to remove all chips from shoulders, accept that a bloke in a suit who stands for the same party your Granddad supported may not have all the answers after all, and be prepared to accept that whoever you vote for, you get the government. And in recent times, this has been an incompetent government who means well, accepts that a social program is needed but needs funding from growth and panders to soundbite populism. You couldn't separate either party from each other with Norman Lamont's Access card either.

But floating voters get them horny...



Not that voting on policy ever got many on this thread interested. I suppose that tradition is one of the things that makes people interested in being Mudcat members after all, and many songs are about how "that lot over there" are all bastards and "we" should inherit the earth...

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 May 12 - 12:43 PM

"I don't see much point in discussing further with one so epitomising the very worst of working class inverse snobbery."

I couldn't have put it better myself - or even worse, "the very worst of middle class pretending to be working class"

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 May 12 - 03:50 PM

'I couldn't have put it better myself'

No I suppose you couldn't - that's the problem with being poorly educated, sub literate sort of thing. I really do sympathise with you lower orders of humanity - it must be awful for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 May 12 - 04:12 PM

Poorly educated at one of the country's top Grammar Schools if it's all the same to you!!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 May 12 - 04:39 PM

well these state places, they do their best with what they're given. But you can't make a silk purse out of sow's ear.

Public School chaps like me and Dave and Boris - I suppose we'd feel sorry for you - if only you weren't such a lot of bloody little oiks.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 May 12 - 05:18 PM

'I couldn't have put it better myself'