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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Apr 10 - 02:40 PM There is only one human race. There is far far more variation within any of the traditionally recognized races than between them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Ebbie Date: 01 Apr 10 - 05:30 PM Bill D, I have a problem with that listing. I remember quite clearly and not too long ago when the official dictum was that Black people couldn't swim. Charley Pride, the country singer, said that when he heard that one he had to go find out, and sure enough, he could swim... What happens to that list when one is not *all* Black? My guess is that few American African-Americans are all any one thing. And yet, they tend to put white athletes in the shade. I suspect it has a good deal more to do with 'hunger' than with inherent characteristics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Apr 10 - 05:35 PM Tiger Woods is Half Thai He is the best athlete in his sport. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bill D Date: 01 Apr 10 - 06:16 PM Ebbie... the list is, by definition a **generalization**. It explains 'some' things. There are obviously exceptions to the "White men can't jump" rule, too. I KNOW that humans are 99.999% genetically similar. I KNOW that it is dangerous to make too much over the small differences, but evolution DOES create some differences in localized populations. We see it in birds, bears, butterflies and bees....and it happens in humans, whether it is PC to take note of those small differences or not. "I suspect it has a good deal more to do with 'hunger' than with inherent characteristics." I'm afraid it is easier to measure variation in muscle structure and enzyme levels than 'hunger' and 'motivation', and it would be helpful if we DID know exactly what these minor variations mean. We KNOW that sickle-cell disease is relevant, because we need to help those afflicted. Genetic differences allow Inuit people to endure cold better and survive on a diet with almost no vegetables....and it's no shame to have or NOT have that gene.....it just is. Why am I climbing out on this limb when it is such a touchy topic? Because the point is that everyone should be given a fair chance to do and participate in whatever endeavors they choose to, and to excel as it works! 60 years ago, the NBA was about 100% white players...today, it is a large majority black, and people still are quite happy watching the best basketball players compete...as they should be. I have spent my life arguing for fairness and equal opportunity, but I also argue for truth and accuracy and knowledge, no matter where it leads. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 01 Apr 10 - 06:23 PM ""Would you care to enlighten me as to how YOU learn, process and analyze the news about our country and world?"" It's beamed in to the built in antenna in his tinfoil hat Poppa, straight from Republican HQ. Confirmation is by SickMail. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 01 Apr 10 - 06:25 PM Sorry, that was BillD Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bill D Date: 01 Apr 10 - 10:06 PM Boy, that's an OLD hat. No one has made TINfoil for many years. But I assume the reception is pretty good with aluminum, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Ebbie Date: 01 Apr 10 - 11:52 PM Hmmmm. I've never quite known the utilitarian aspect of tinfoil hats. From what you say, Bill D, they are meant to enhance reception? I had thought they might block unwanted information. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 02 Apr 10 - 01:04 AM This is not going to be a touchy subject as long as racisim and politics is checked at the door. I just hope some people are not just waiting to attack in an attempt to turn it racial and or political. I still say it is possible to have a rational discussion without either. I believe it would be even more rational without either. "There is one BIG difference between Black and White people: perception of treatment."- That is a pretty good one but it is not physical. Better at sports because of certain physical attributes is good. humans are 99.999% genetically similar-that is a good very point also. I don't think being part Thai has any bearing. Any other differences? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Apr 10 - 02:03 PM >>I don't think being part Thai has any bearing.<< It is a good indication that his skill doesn't come from being black. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: PoppaGator Date: 02 Apr 10 - 03:16 PM European white guys can't be much different genetically from American white guys ~ but plenty of them complete quite effectively with the Africans and African-Americans in the NBA, while there are very very few white Americans doing very well at all. David Lee is a legitimate young star, and then there's Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy Jr (solid players but hardly superstars). Steve Nash doesn't count ~ he's from Vancouver and grew up playing soccer... When I was running high school track, it was pretty obvious that black kids dominated the sprints while us whities had the distance-running events pretty much to ourselves. But then the Ethiopians and Kenyans burst onto the international scene as the best long-distance runners of all. Go figure. Culture and expectations must be part of the equation, but genetics is part of it too ~ not just the differences between "races" (or nations, or clans, or whatever teminology you prefer for groups of genetically-related individuals) but between individuals as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Apr 10 - 04:49 PM Then there are differences among ethnic groups within races. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 03 Apr 10 - 01:18 AM Yes you are right Jack but it goes the other way too. Any way my point is, what are the differences that would justify treating someone differently. Would you want someone to treat you differently than they would treat anyone else? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bobert Date: 03 Apr 10 - 07:06 AM No, the point is that the US has a nasty little history beginning in 1619... Sure, it's fine to argue, "Gee, can't we all get along" and, yeah, we can... The reality is that were aren't... The reality is that there are one heck of alot of rednecks in our country who have had fears and hatreds passed down from generation to generations about black folk... Oh sure, lott of these people say stuff like, "Well, I live in the South and I've lived with black people so we doon't have those problems down here"... That's is 100% mythology... That story line has been repeated so often in the South that kids can recite it before they reach the age of two... It's required... Then these same kids are making nooses and hanging them outside black kids locker by the time they are in junior high school??? Now for the self-proclaimed "classless and free" here who think that "can't we all just get along" is all they have to know and think, it isn't all we need to know and think... If I run my car into my neighbors car then it is my resonisibilty ti fix it, right??? Well, white people held black people as slaves for 250 years and then Terrorized them with JHim Crow for another 100 years... And when we look around at the infastructure of America it was idsporprtionately build on the backs of black people... And they thanks these folk have gotten is to be stuffed into urban ghettoes (housing projects) with little opportunity to live a life where they "can just get along"... And then white folk blame these folks for their situation and fell all smug and superior and th us thiings like the Tea Party and and other hate groups springing up when a black man becomes, ahhhhhh, president??? So yeah, there is a major difference between the races that isn't about DNA.... IT's about white people's superior attitudes and white people's lack of historical perspcetive anf white people greed... No, I'm not talking about all white people but I am talking about alot of them who don't see or recognize their own racists feelings until a black man become president... That's where "can't we all just get along" ends in their book... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Greg F. Date: 03 Apr 10 - 09:19 AM Y'all want to talk about REAL practitioners of mesmerism? That must be what's going on with Limbaugh, Hannity, Coalter, Savage & all the reat of the right-wing gobshites- otherwise how could they get people with even a pretension to intelligence to believe the obviously untrue and bizarre bulshit they spew? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 03 Apr 10 - 11:50 AM Bobert: It is impossible for you to have a rational normal conversation with people because of your uncontrollable ego. You want to inject racism and or politics into to everything and stir up a fight. Then you can parade your smug elitist qualifications as proof that someone is full of hate and anger. You project your own hats and anger on others. Example: Who is "out there screaming for rednecks to kill Obama" Bobert? Let me try again, peacefully and politely. Bobert: Would you want someone to treat you differently than they would treat anyone else? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Apr 10 - 07:00 PM Who is "out there screaming for rednecks to kill Obama" Glen Beck, Sarah Palin, Limbaugh. Though their screaming is coded and very passive aggressive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bobert Date: 03 Apr 10 - 07:40 PM This ain't got one thing about ego, Salwz... It's about a life's worth of living and watching what is going on... That is ego-less... The ego folks don't take time, for instance, to work at a inpatient drug treatement half-way house for subsistent wages for 4 years... 'Er teachin' GED in the Richmond City Jail...'Er working for lousy pay as a social worker for another 15 years or so... No, you got the ego part all wrong, Slawz... I'm just a guy who has had the aboslute priveldge of having alot of differing life's experiences... That ain't ego... That is a blessing... I woldn't trade any of them... BTW, me thinks that you spend way too much time obsessing on me... You have followed me from one website to another and kinda see yerself as "Palidan" 'er one of those white hat cowboys that tracks down the bad guy... Problem is that I ain't the bad guy... I don't obsess about people and spend countless fours of my life very week trying to disect every word ao someone here in cyberworld and attack, attack, attack... I'm not at all sure whay you do this... That is something better left for you to discuss with a therapist or psychiatrist, I donno... Just a suggestion... Your obsession is unhealthy... Yeah, JtS... Ya' know what I am getting purdy sick and tired of hearing is folks on the Democratic siad saying stuuf like, "We gotta tone it down on both sides of the isle"... The violent tone ain't coming from their side of the isle tho they are, I guess, trying to show grace here but, geeeze louise... The noise is coming purdy much 100% from the Repubs and their phony Tea Party minions... That is the side that nees to tone it down... If they want to debate, fine... Let's debate... But don't go strappin' on heat for no debate... That ain't a debate... That is terrorism... So, Jack, I'd love to see the Dems grow a spine and quit fessin' up to stuff that they ain't doin'... And I'd love for the media to quit propagating' the same Big Lie... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 04 Apr 10 - 12:58 AM I have not heard anybody screaming for re****ks to kill Obama. What are the codewords? Let me try again, peacefully and politely. Bobert: Would you want someone to treat you differently than they would treat anyone else? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 04 Apr 10 - 01:19 AM Is this what you call screaming code?: "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" "I want you to argue with them and get in their face" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bobert Date: 04 Apr 10 - 08:43 AM See comments on "Katrinagate" thread... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Jack the Sailor Date: 04 Apr 10 - 12:20 PM Calling them traitors, terrorists and communists. Saying that they are going to destroy the country. Portraying them as evil. Saying "reload" and putting gun sights on their districts. If you believe any of that stuff it would be unpatriotic not to kill them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 Apr 10 - 03:01 AM Shit?..Hypnotic???....I thought the amount of lies were getting boring...I was nodding off...... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Stringsinger Date: 05 Apr 10 - 01:10 PM Hypnosis can be applied to those who have a preconditioned agreement with how they will behave when hypnotized. In this way, the news media in the US has hypnotized many Americans. They choose to believe outright lies. This is as it was in Germany in the Thirties. But Obama is not Hitler. His values are different. In Obama's case, people want to believe that what he says is reasonable and true. There is an unwillingness to analyze his statements without partisan rancor. He has a soothing intonation that makes certain people feel good. It's reminiscent of a preaching style found in the pulpit. BTW, Reverend Wright was right in his assessment about the US even if he was a preacher. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 06 Apr 10 - 01:31 AM So what was the Democrat's answer to the Republicans? Crumbs tossed to the Republicans. How can it cost $940 billion to save money down the road? Money we don't have. Sounds like a Nigerian scam email. The savings down the road is based on certain conditions that are not certain and that may be over optimistic. If you say the estimate is accurate are you willing to guarantee it? If there is any fraud to be eliminated, why wasn't it eliminated on day one of the Obama administration? If there was waste and fraud, not eliminating it already was a failure. What is in the bill to keep health care costs down and lower the price of insurance like the original purpose of health care reform? It will end up costing the same or more for health insurance so people making $200K will be taxed to keep the price down for people that can't afford it. They say once the American people find out what is in the bill they will like it. Why didn't we know what is in the bill? Where has the promise of transparency and no backroom deals gone? What happened to the no lobbyist influence promise? 6 lobbyists for each congressperson is what happened. There is good stuff in the bill and bad stuff. All the controversy is over the good stuff and bad stuff, not anti health care reform. This is blamed on "the Republicans" while 34 of "the Democrats" voted no. The Repubs were in the minority all along. The great struggle to get it passed was a struggle between the Democrats but a big smoke screen is used to shelter the Democrat battle by diverting the blame to "the Republicans" Then when it is all over the Dems are whopping each other on the back and crowing it was a hell of a battle but we got it done despite "the Republicans" that gave us such a hard time. What they have done is set up the conditions for the biggest nastiest campaign ever seen and they will blame that on "the Republicans" too. And those greedy insurance companies are going to get their ass kicked too, right? How is the Health Care sector of the stock market doing? All of their gigantic campaign donations have paid off for them and your congress people have sold you out because they need the donations to get re elected. It is not that hard to figure out when you filter out the partisanship. About the only thing we can do is dump out all the incumbents to let them know they are not going to buy their popularity with tax money that hasn't even been collected yet and may never be collected so it has to be borrowed. They can't buy success. Their credit has maxed out. If you want to believe this is a Democrat/Republican issue, keep dreaming. It is a what's in the bill issue. The something is better than nothing stance is a false dichotomy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 06 Apr 10 - 03:00 AM "Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques" was dealt with in another thread, that with no real need to link to it - "Proved" that some how the concept of this thread was relevant to that one... QUOTE Subject: RE: BS: How your Pensions will be Stolen From: Foolestroupe Date: 05 Apr 10 - 11:51 PM QUOTE Suggested reading (link to his website) UNQUOTE QUOTE XXXX uses pacing phrases to implant his leads. Three of his favorite hypnotic paces are "that's why I stand here tonight", "now is the time", and "this moment." These are things the hypnotist says that are verifiably true, and used to lower our critical factor defenses to allow implantation of subconscious messages. UNQUOTE QUOTE After pacing the audience, thus lowering cognitive critical factor defenses, XXXX then implanted the lead (hypnotic command), "and that is why I will be your next President." UNQUOTE Sounds EXACTLY like EVERY politician I've ever heard.... whether I've liked them or not.... QUOTE The critical factor UNQUOTE Your 'problem' mate is that you can't tolerate others who ALSO have a 'highly active critical factor' that works (and may even be higher than yours!) ... after all, you say of Mudcat "a forum where the members like to ridicule opposing viewpoints. That's fine".., so you admit to doing it too, but really get upset when given that acceptable (by your own terms of discourse) treatment. UNQUOTE Sigh - so looks like that Sawzaw and ichMael, if not the same person, apparently have their salary paid by the same Corporation with a definite agenda... I submit that by the standards of "MC-BS Argument" this is proved! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bobert Date: 06 Apr 10 - 08:11 AM Okay, I'll confess... The first time I heard Obama was in a cabin back in the Wes Ginny mountains and I was listenin' to his speech at the '04 Democratic convention on the radio while playin' gin rummy with the P-Vine at the kitchen table... Well, my fellow Mudders, tyhis is where the story get's real strange... I'd always heard that when peoples was hypnotized they wanted to go out and bark like a dog and here I was lookin' down at a fresh delt hand and I had gin right there in my hand... Now a man waits all his life to be delt a lay-down and I was just puttin' the cards in order and it was beginnin' to sink in that I had been delt a lay-down when that Obama stuff got in my head and I couldn't sit at that table another minute with that uncontrolable urge to get up from that lay-down gin hand, rush out the cabin door and bark like a dog!!! Sho nuff happened excatly that way... It must have been pone hypnotic speech 'cause it took me a good couple hours of barkin' before I come back to my senses... By then (sniff) the P-Vine had put the cards away, put her ear plugs in and gone to bed... Even to this day I can't take but so much of Obama... I gotta get up and get fresh air... Barkin' ain't good fir people... Gives ya' a sore throat, too... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 06 Apr 10 - 08:17 AM Well, that's proved that SOMEBODY is barking mad! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 06 Apr 10 - 10:59 AM Now that sounds like the old Bobert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bobert Date: 06 Apr 10 - 08:28 PM Old, my butt... My daddy is old... (Yer daddy been dead for a few years, Boberdz...) Details... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 06 Apr 10 - 11:57 PM Bobert. I will tell you about a spiritual experinece even though it has nothing to do with this thread. When the Wifey and I with all the grandkids are headed into WV we put John Denver in the CD and play Country Roads and sing along when we go over the state line. When we are climbing up Chestnut Hill road and sing Blue ridge Mountains I point to the left at Blue Ridge and when we sing Shenandoah River I point down to the right at the river. That gets me misty eyed every time. Yeah I know the song has "misty taste of moonshine" in it but we don't break out a jug or anything. Then up at the top after you go over the Appy Trail, there is a big hump in the road right by an ancient cabin. I stomp on the gas and the car almost goes airborne. We all holler Wheeeeeeee. Now that is spiritual. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 07 Apr 10 - 12:07 AM "Maybe my next focus should be on self-hypnosis, or more properly, self delusion. Now if I could only find an example who claims to be a number # 1 salesperson, and a former world-class teacher, space cadet and so on." I found one - ichMael.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 07 Apr 10 - 12:11 AM "Bobert. I will tell you about a spiritual experinece even though it has nothing to do with this thread." Oh, feel welcome, pray DO join in with the rest of the distracting trolls... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 07 Apr 10 - 01:11 AM Ok I will. Thanks for the invite. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 07 Apr 10 - 07:38 AM Thank you for confessing to being one of the others, mate... ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bobert Date: 07 Apr 10 - 08:10 AM I think know that road and I know that bump, Sawz... Well, okay, there are plenty of Chestnut Hill Roads but the one I'm talkin' about runs from Rt. 340 to Rt. 9 and, yeah, if yer travelin' north the Shenadoah River is down on the left side of that twisty ridge... There some good mergal (mushroom) hunting spots half a mile up the Blue Ridge from that road... Ginsing also grows up there... Ain't no corn liquer stills in that holler no more but lotta pot growers... Almost heaven... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 07 Apr 10 - 10:24 AM Sawzaw said, in part: They say once the American people find out what is in the bill they will like it. Why didn't we know what is in the bill? For one thing, because "the bill" as finally passed didn't exist until the very end. In order to get the votes necessary to pass, changes of this kind and that kind and the other kind had to be made. Also, because of the length and complication of the bill in its various versions on the way to a vote, very few people could understand the various planks, all written in legislative legalese. And that includes the legislators and the press, let alone the American people generally. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bill D Date: 07 Apr 10 - 11:22 AM I been musing about this 'hypnotic' stuff for days now, just wondrin' how old Itchy could KNOW it worked. Seems to me the claim is a lot like those who suggest that watchin' ....shhhh... porn will mess you up and hook you and subvert your brain in terrible ways. How do they KNOW? I assume both those who are worried about Obama listeners and those who worry about porn watchers have also listened and watched themselves..... how DO they protect themselves against the evil impulses. I know, I know... "we pure and sane ones are immune to the pernicious influences. Just listen to OUR favored sources...(like Faux News).. and you too can see the righteous path!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Riginslinger Date: 07 Apr 10 - 11:25 AM Yep! He puts you to sleep. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 07 Apr 10 - 11:53 AM ""the bill" as finally passed didn't exist until the very end." So much for the Obama campaign Promise: "Public Will Have five Days To Look At Every Bill That Lands On My Desk" Obama September 22, 2008: I'll make our government open and transparent so that anyone can ensure that our business is the people's business. Justice Louis Brandeis once said Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant, and as president I am going to make it impossible for congressmen or lobbyists to slip pork barrel projects or corporate welfare into laws when no one's looking because when I'm president meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public... no more secrecy, that's a commitment I make to you as president. No more secrecy! And, when there's a bill that ends up on my desk as president, you the public will have five days to look on-line and find out what's in it before I sign it so that you know what your government's doing. When there are meetings between lobbyists and a government agency we'll put as many as pos... as many of those meetings as possible on-line for every American to watch. When there's a tax bill being debated in Congress you will now the names of the corporations that would benefit and how much money they would get. And we will put every corporate tax break and every pork barrel project on-line for every American to see, you will know who asked for them and you can decide whether your representative is actually representing you! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bobert Date: 07 Apr 10 - 12:29 PM The final bill was thru reconciation, Sawz... All the components of the Senate and House bills had been debated for the last year... The biggest thing in them was strippin' the Medicare deals that were made to bring along a couple of Blue Dog Democrats in the Senate... I doubt very much if the Repubs had any serious problems with doing that... I'll be the first to admit, however, that without the fillibuster rule the Repubs would have been forced to participate more in thr shaping of the final bill and it would have gotten biparisan support but the Repubs choose early on to not participate and put all their egges into the fiilibuster basket... Too bad for them and too bad for the country as well... I mean, if the Repubs want more transparency then they are going to have to participate but I think their strategy is to not participate and tyry to make the Dems look like bullies... Not a bad strtaegy for November but a terrible one for the long term interests of the country... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: beardedbruce Date: 07 Apr 10 - 12:49 PM "Also, because of the length and complication of the bill in its various versions on the way to a vote, very few people could understand the various planks, all written in legislative legalese. And that includes the legislators ..." Hmmm.... And they passed it WHY??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 07 Apr 10 - 01:40 PM And they passed it WHY??? If your question is why this bill was passed, being complicated and legalese and hard to understand, the short answer is "because that tends to be the case for any important bill". On any large piece of legislation, the bill in question has seldom or never been read in detail by any of the legislators (or at best, "very few"). Certain sections will have been worked through by congressional staff (with summarized reports to their principals), and by Representatives and Senators who have a specific interest in that aspect, like the budget-hawks, or the pro-choice or pro-life enthusiasts. The leadership will have been fairly thoroughly briefed and have read key sections, but reading the bill in its entirety and in detail? Naaahh. That is about it. And of course the leadership will have strategic reasons and partisan political reasons for pushing (or in this case, for the Republicans opposing) passage, which reasons, on both sides, color their perceptions of the bill's (un?)desirability. Is it pretty? No. But that's the way you make sausage. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bill D Date: 07 Apr 10 - 01:57 PM ...and not only that, the same question and the same answer are relevant to all the tax cut and deregulation bills passed under Reagan and the Bushes. They passed it because they could, and various Republicans made sure certain features were included! And they used reconciliation!! They KNEW the Democrats would be opposed to the basic thrust of it. I wonder why the concept that the winning party gets to pass legislation their way only seems to apply to Republican wins? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Apr 10 - 02:24 PM It's always a double standard, Bill. That's how the human ego works. What's okay for one's "friends" to do is NEVER okay for one's "enemies" to do... ;-) Why? Well, because one's friends are "good" people, and therefore the things they do must be good! And one's enemies are "evil" people, therefore what they do must be evil, and they must be stopped! Even if it's the very same thing... ;-) You can see this in international politics too, not just in domestic politics. It IS one of the most common diseases of the human condition. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Greg F. Date: 07 Apr 10 - 05:20 PM That's as may be, LH but the Republicans are becoming increasingly childish in its application. They bring to mind a 7th-Grade lunchroom. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 07 Apr 10 - 05:43 PM ""It's always a double standard, Bill. That's how the human ego works. What's okay for one's "friends" to do is NEVER okay for one's "enemies" to do... ;-)"" That one is the same the world over. "I am an innovator, you are an eccentric, he is a bloody lunatic". Never fails. And we all do it! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bill D Date: 07 Apr 10 - 08:06 PM Don T...do you perhaps remember Sidney J. Harris? Many years ago he wrote columns using that theme. ("I have the courage of my convictions, you are a bit stubborn, he is a close-minded zealot.") However... we do not ALL do it to the extent it is being done. We are all, of course, inclined to see the world from out own perspective, but (as Little Hawk knows all too well) I object to easy generalizations which function as excuses for not dealing with the exceptions. Every situation 'should' be evaluated on its own merits, and every person 'should' strive to see more than just what will support his own basic viewpoints. I simply do not understand the current (general) Republican attitude of refusing to admit that they EVER did what they are now accusing Democrats of doing. It seems to be a matter of just 'wanting power back', no matter what they have to say or do to achieve this. In the last administration, some Democrats would vote for Republican measures if they seemed to be basically for the country's good....but right now, it looks like if Obama noted that "the sun rises in the East", the Republicans would either deny it or accuse him of not giving fair attention to sunsets! If I had 2 hours to devote to searching and typing, I could show you dozens of flip-flopping on issues, changing rules, inventing 'facts', distorting news and generally portraying anything Obama, Pelosi, or Harry Reid say as socialist propaganda. I'm tired of it....it shows, huh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: ichMael Date: 07 Apr 10 - 08:23 PM Obama approves killing of American WASHINGTON - The Obama administration has taken the extraordinary step of authorizing the targeted killing of an American citizen, the radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki... Yes, master. I understand. Change = you will kill any American you wish. Hope = I hope it ain't me. Yes, master. Yes, master. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: ichMael Date: 07 Apr 10 - 08:24 PM 200 |
