Subject: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: GUEST,guest from NW Date: 31 Jan 04 - 01:54 PM does anyone else wonder why the bush administration has done its best to stonewall the commission studying this issue? wouldn't a truly patriotic american want to know that this event was fully investigated in a bipartisan fashion to find out why and how it occurred so that further such actions could be prevented? what possible motive could there be to obstruct the commissions work besides covering something up that the administration doesn't want seen especially before the election? and wouldn't playing politics with such a fundamentally important question show the players to be unpatriotic and possibly traitorous in their actions? just wondering. here's a link to a current story about the stonewalling from the washington Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64628-2004Jan30.html?nav=hptoc_p |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: GUEST,guest from NW Date: 31 Jan 04 - 01:56 PM oops. i tried to make that link a blue clicky. maybe someone could help. |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: Bill D Date: 31 Jan 04 - 02:08 PM I suspect all that an investigation will find is that the Bush administration didn't follow up well on a few leads and hints the 'something' might be afoot. This is well worth knowing and I assume they'd rather NOT have this investigation in an election year, but I doubt that serious malfeasance would be found. There are plenty issues to accuse the Bushites of without this...still... (I blame lax airport security as much as anything for the attacks,(how did everyone GET box cutters on airplanes?)...but it is always possible to bypass security. I would imagine that now, almost ANY plane full of people would do what the brave few on that last plane did and stop any hijacking attempt done with knives) |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 31 Jan 04 - 02:08 PM You mean you really didn't expect this to end up Roswelled all to hell and back too? |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: Peace Date: 31 Jan 04 - 05:31 PM The 9/11 issue that has me puzzled is the plane crash at the Pentagon. It doesn't seem to get talked about. Why? Does anyone know? After the attacks in New York, I e-mailed the CIA to suggest that whoever had planned the attacks may have read Tom Clancy's "Debt of Honor." I knew that wouldn't be much help, but as with most people, I wanted to do something to help. The events of that time were chilling, and the loss of life was as real as it gets. Now it seems that the crashes themselves are no longer the issue. The issue seems to be something else, totally. What? If it's all some part of a bizarre New World Order scenario, at least that would be a place to start looking for the facts behind the obvious. Why the secrecy to do with the Pentagon crash? That, more than anything from 9/11, nags at me. |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Jan 04 - 05:41 PM I'd imagine the reluctance to push ahead with a proper inquiry would be an instinctive disinclination to open a can of worms, when you aren't too sure what kind of worms are contained. Now if this were the UK, and an inquiry could be handled by an esteemed judge, who knew what was required of him, and could be relied on to come up with the goods, it would be an entirely different matter. |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: Barry Finn Date: 31 Jan 04 - 06:17 PM It's a horrid way to treat family & friends of the victims. It bad enough that only a very few found any sort of remains. Like a criminal investigation into a murder, the reasons of why & how is not only important to the investigation but it is of equal importance to those that lost their loved ones. The deaths of nearly 3,000 people that the Bush administration labeled martyrs & heros now refuses to let their bodies be buried to the satisfaction of their families is by fighting & stalling they need to come clean with the whole story. I can't imagine any reason why the government would want to hide this information from the families & the general public. National Security, Pig's ass, that's become a catch all for anything that they'd like to deem hidden. In the best case (still a vile act), the Bush adminstration used this tragedy to further there already in place agenda or somehow screwed up big time. The worst case would that they, for some unknown reason, somehow had a hand in it's happening or allowing this to happen. In which case he/they should stand before an international court as terrorists & for crimes against humanity. This has the potential for being played out as the last of the great horrendous political games in US history. What will ever become of us? What have we done? Barry |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: GUEST Date: 31 Jan 04 - 06:24 PM ancient history |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: Bill D Date: 31 Jan 04 - 06:31 PM brucie...'secrecy' about the Pentagon crash? How so? It sure got talked about a lot here in the DC area. (some conspiracy nuts tried to claim it wasn't actually a plane because they couldn't 'see' it on sow security cameras, but it has always seemed to me that the WTC crashes were just bigger and more 'newsy'.) |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: SINSULL Date: 31 Jan 04 - 06:36 PM There is some press being given to official announcements in the days after the crashes to the effect that the air was safe to breathe. It wasn't and the number of respiratory illnesses turning up in NYC that seem related to exposure to 911 toxins is growing. This will be another Roswell. Expect claims of nuclear fallout, government conspiracy, and worse. |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: Don Firth Date: 31 Jan 04 - 06:50 PM I can't remember Sir Humphrey's exact line from Yes, Prime Minister, but it goes something like, "The purpose of the Official Secrets Act is not to protect secrets. It's to protect officials!" Don Firth |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: Peace Date: 31 Jan 04 - 09:00 PM Bill D, you are probably correct. I don't tend to shout conspiracy at every thing governments do, it's just that some stuff seems to fall by the wayside. So, what was it that crashed into the Pentagon? Passenger plane? How many died? I've done some searching for this info, and it's likely my research skills that are lacking. I can't find anything substantial. I'd like to. |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: Peg Date: 31 Jan 04 - 10:16 PM a recording of a cell phone conversation with a flight attendant (Betty Ong) on Flight 11 just appeared on the news THIS WEEK. she mentions that someone in business class has been stabbed and that no one can get into the cockpit. Nothing wrong with the recording; perfectly clear. Why was this not made public much sooner? |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: Peace Date: 02 Feb 04 - 12:46 PM Anyone know where I can find good info on the Pentagon crash? |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: Nemesis Date: 02 Feb 04 - 01:16 PM Brucie, Any archive from a reliable major news source (Reuters etc) will give you more information and probably links too, like this one from the Guardian UK. Thursday September 13, 2001 http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,551425,00.html Some 58 passengers and six crew were on board when American Airlines flight AA77, en route from Washington Dulles to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon. This is a preliminary, partial list of passengers aboard the flight whose next of kin have been notified. Some families asked the airline not to include their loved ones' names: these do not appear. Crew Captain Charles Burlingame First Officer David Charlebois Michele Heidenberger Jennifer Lewis Kenneth Lewis Renee May Passengers Paul Ambrose Yemen Betru MJ Booth Bernard Brown Suzanne Calley William Caswell Sarah Clark Asia Cottom James Debeuneure Rodney Dickens Eddie Dillard Charles Droz Barbara Edwards Charles Falkenberg Zoe Falkenberg Dana Falkenberg James Ferguson Budd Flagg Dee Flagg Richard Gabriel Ian Gray Stanley Hall Bryan Jack Steve Jacoby Ann Judge Chandler Keller Yvonne Kennedy Norma Khan Karen Kincaid Norma Langsteuerle Dong Lee Dora Menchaca Chris Newton Barbara Olson Ruben Ornedo Lisa Raines Todd Reuben John Sammartino Diane Simmons George Simmons Mari Rae Sopper Robert Speisman Leonard Taylor Sandra Teague Leslie Whittington John Yamnicky Vicki Yancey Shuyin Yang Yuguag Zheng More lists of confirmed dead 13.09.2001: American Airlines flight 11 13.09.2001: United flight 175 13.09.2001: United flight 93 Special report Terrorism in the US Interactive guides Find out how the terrorist attacks happened Video and audio America's day of terror - and the aftermath |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Feb 04 - 01:50 PM Are the names of the people believed to have been the hi-jackers on that list? |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: open mike Date: 02 Feb 04 - 02:34 PM suspected hijackers |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: open mike Date: 02 Feb 04 - 02:36 PM suspected hijackers still alive |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: open mike Date: 02 Feb 04 - 02:39 PM tracking suspected hijackers |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: open mike Date: 02 Feb 04 - 03:05 PM http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/attack/investigation_23.html |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: Peace Date: 02 Feb 04 - 03:40 PM Thank you, Nemesis. I'm not a complete idiot to do with computers, but close. Also, thank you open mike and BillD. |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: GUEST,pdc Date: 02 Feb 04 - 08:05 PM For the person who was looking for information on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon, the following website offers a fascinating theory that a plane didn't actually crash into the Pentagon. I have had to dismiss this website as "conspiracy theory," but then -- sometimes conspiracies actually do exist, and this site makes a fairly convincing case. Even if you don't buy the theory, this site is fascinating. What hit the Pentagon? |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: Peace Date: 02 Feb 04 - 08:45 PM Thanks GUEST,pdc. T'was I in search of the info, and I thank you kindly. |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: Wolfgang Date: 03 Feb 04 - 06:14 AM German Lawyer challenges '11 September 2001 Lie'! After publicly commenting on German television about the 11 September 2001 alleged terrorist attacks, a German public prosecutor in Hamburg charged Horst Mahler with 'Billigung einer Staftat' - condoning a criminal act. Mahler has now revised his views, especially on the Pentagon crash conspiracy theory, and now he will attempt to set out the French argument that no plane crashed into the Pentagon, nor into the WTC. He will thus present an alternative conspiracy theory to the official conspiracy theory and claim that it was not Saudi Arabian terrorists but Israel's Mossad and US spy agencies who were responsible for the 11 September tragedy. (from a Neonazi site) Former left-wing terrorist Horst Mahler is now one of the leading heads of the German extreme right. Watch your company. Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: GUEST,Holmes Date: 03 Feb 04 - 08:16 AM Here's an article from the American Free Press. Did Ariel Sharon help orchestrate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks to instigate al |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: Teribus Date: 03 Feb 04 - 10:22 AM Hi Guest Holmes, that is the funniest, and most idiotic, article I have read for ages. |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: Wolfgang Date: 03 Feb 04 - 11:08 AM Thanks, Holmes, for that link. It supports what I have posted about the extreme right inventing and using the cover-up stories. What says the American Free Press about itself? You will have and your children will have either an international communistic society with the very rich at the top, the bureaucrats in the middle and the rest of mankind at the bottom, or a free and sovereign America. Watch your company Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup? From: Wolfgang Date: 03 Feb 04 - 11:21 AM Some more bits from American Free Press? True, many of these young resisters are not 100 percent on our political wave length but we mean to work with them and with every political movement so inclined-no matter their different beliefs-to do all we can to slow down, stop and ultimately reverse the otherwise irresistible move to the Global Plantation. (they are glad about useful idiots) Thanks to the press, the life-denying values-often called "democratic values"-are in vogue. Kids can't pray in school even as the taxpayers offer huge sums to the theocratic state of Israel. The Boy Scouts are scheduled for the guillotine because they don't want perverts to be scoutmasters and want to restrict membership to normal boys. That reminds me of Dreaded Guest from former times. The Bilderberg maniak. Watch your company Wolfgang |