Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2

Subject: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Apr 25 - 12:36 PM

We're still sticking to just one Trump thread, but it appears that some of the longer ones are troublesome when loading so that last one is "closed for repairs." Here's the new one.

We can't open the entire former thread but you can see what individuals posted to that or any other thread if you go to your personal page or search on someone else and look at their individual thread messages.

This was my final message (on March 31) on the last thread:

In his continuing offensive offensive, when Trump put himself in charge of the Kennedy Center he offended a whole bunch of people. Intentionally.

From the Daily Beast Musician Who Quit Kennedy Center Issues a Chilling Warning About Trump

A musician who quit the Kennedy Center after Donald Trump took over as chair earlier this year issued a chilling warning about the president’s “authoritarian instinct.”

Ben Folds, the former artistic advisor to the National Symphony Orchestra, told CBS News Sunday that he’s never seen political interference in the arts at this scale.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Apr 25 - 12:47 PM

And in the good news for today, all of Musk's money didn't win them that Wisconsin supreme court seat, so the lawsuit against Musk that will go before that court isn't a slam dunk to let him off the hook.

The Justice Department judge (Ho) who was told to drop the case against the New York City mayor did so, but with prejudice. That means that while the mayor is probably guilty and in a Harris administration with no interference would mean he'd be found guilty. The matter before us is that since Trump wanted a cudgel to use against the mayor the corrupt Justice Department wanted charges dropped but still hanging over Mayor Adam's head and if he doesn't do what they want, then re-charge him. By dismissing with prejudice, the judge is saying they can't charge him again, so Trump has no more say in the matter.

What a slimy bunch of sewer rats.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Helen
Date: 02 Apr 25 - 12:57 PM

Thanks SRS and to all the moderators here for your hard work in keeping Mudcat working properly.

I was pleased to read this article today because hitting (f)Elon Musk's "hip pocket nerve" may be the only way to really get to him and make him realise he is not financially and strategically bullet-proof.

[Note: Aussie slang: hip pocket nerve "An imaginary nerve that reacts whenever demands are made on one's money (especially in contexts such as government proposals to increase taxes). The term is from hip-pocket 'a trouser pocket that traditionally contains a wallet'."]

Tesla sales fall in first months of 2025 amid Elon Musk backlash

"In short: Tesla sales in the first three months of 2025 have fallen by a bigger-than-expected margin, will a slump in sales in the US, Europe and China.

"It comes amid increased electric vehicle competition and chief executive Elon Musk's embrace of far-right politics.

"What's next? Chinese company BYD is set to unseat Tesla as the world's number one EV seller later this year."

"Sales of Tesla electric vehicles have slumped 13 per cent in the first quarter of 2025, the company's worst quarterly result since 2022.

"It comes amid strengthening competition in the car market and a backlash to chief executive Elon Musk's embrace of far-right politics.

"The company's share price fell 2 per cent on Wednesday as the company recorded a bigger-than-expected drop in sales.

"The company sold just 336,681 vehicles between January to March, roughly 50,000 fewer cars than for the same period last year."

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Also, on another topic, Australia and other countries are also waiting for the tariff announcements today. It looks like a lot of countries have counter-measures being laid out in waiting so the end result will probably be higher prices for US people. How Trump thinks this is good for the American people is beyond me!

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Apr 25 - 02:23 PM

So much of this seems to be chaos for chaos' sake. Such as the recent stories of going for a third Presidential term here at the outset of TRMP 2. Dedicate yourself and yours to first principals, first making sure you have some.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Apr 25 - 03:48 PM

So many shiny objects swirl around in the blowback from the muzzle blast that Bannon talks about. One suspects that the hard core MAGA are the audience for the third-term stuff, to keep them from noticing their social security is being whittled away or access completely gone to Medicaid.

If you can open this, here is a link to Timothy Snyder on Substack, the post is a video of John Lithgow reading the 20 lessons from his book On Tyranny.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Apr 25 - 09:56 PM

The only reason Trump has the power to create global tariffs is because he declared an economic emergency on day one. The Economist magazine called the US economy the envy of the world but Donald says otherwise.

The Senate passed a law that reverses the Trump economic emergency powers and must be voted on by the House within 7 days.
The speaker of the House then made a rule that changes space time.
REALLY! He has declared that one legal day equals one orbit of the Earth around the Sun. The HOUSE now has 7 years to bring the emergency power bill to a vote.

How do ya like them apples?

If this new definition of time applies to a Presidential term it could make the term hundreds of years long.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Apr 25 - 10:07 PM

Yes - the speaker of the house is the one who needs to fix that debacle they created when they said all of this legislative year counts as one day. Lunacy. (Does that mean I can put off paying my taxes?) I will be writing to my representative tomorrow about fixing that.

Meanwhile, Trump, who doesn't seem to understand the difference between customs duty paid at the border versus tariffs, imposed tariffs on the world.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Helen
Date: 02 Apr 25 - 10:13 PM

That's ok because the world is now in the process of imposing reciprocating tariffs on the US. :-)

Even more costs to be borne by the average person while the rich oligarchs make merry in their mansions. Fiddling while Rome burns.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Apr 25 - 10:29 PM

Perhaps the one day equals a year only applies to one year, but the Parliamentarian has yet to respond.

A couple of months ago, I speculated how Trump could grift on his global tariff idea. Today, many of the tariff nations and islands are uninhabited, but when a country is large enough to pay for an exemption fee to be free of Trump tariffs, there still could be a boat load of cash that might be grifted. We shall see if 'special deals' or renegotiations are made. If not, an American consumer of a foreign nation's product will pay an exorbitant tax or do without.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 01:23 AM

And ‘aliens’ who work for businesses outside the US whose products are sold into the US will be at increased risk of losing their jobs as demand for those now-over-priced products falls.

It’s international economic terrorism.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 03:50 AM

He has no understanding of basic economics let alone complex world trade. Or maybe he does but predicts that his MAGA minions do not. Either way, Carney will make mincemeat of him!

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 04:14 AM

trump's latest - 29% tariffs on Norfolk Island - a beautiful tiny little island, a tourist destination (pop. 2188) that is part of Australia & doesn't do any trade!

I've been there twice in 1975 & 2016, it's full of historic buildings & a graveyard where a number of American whalers were buried! Whaling on the Middle Ground

No known exports': Australia's Norfolk Island says it won't have to pay higher US tariffs Two uninhabited Australian islands and the external territory Norfolk Island were singled out for US tariffs....Norfolk Island was facing a 29 per cent tariff, which the US said was in response to the 58 per cent tariff (including currency manipulation and trade barriers) it faced from Norfolk Island.

A spokesperson for the Norfolk Island administrator told SBS News it had "no known exports" to the US.

"Tourism is the main industry on Norfolk Island and the primary driver of economic activity," she said.

"There are no known exports from Norfolk Island to the United States of America and no tariffs or known non-tariff trade barriers on goods coming to Norfolk Island," the spokesperson said. ...

... There was also confusion around why the Heard and McDonald islands, both uninhabited Australian external territories, were also singled out on Trump's list

The islands are populated by seals, penguins, and birds — but not by people.

The US has suggested a 10 per cent tariff will be placed on goods from these islands, a "reciprocal" tariff on the 10 per cent it believes it pays ...

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 04:32 AM

I'm having fun!!
Reuters - A tiny Australian outpost gets a steep Trump tariff despite few exports    Reciprocal tariffs of 29% levied on Norfolk Island's exports to US
    US data shows it has had trade deficits with island for past 3 years
    Island's main industry is tourism, some of its business owners say

SYDNEY, April 3 (Reuters) - For Richard Cottle, owner of a concrete-mixing business on Norfolk Island, there was only one explanation when U.S. President Donald Trump unveiled a hefty 29% tariff on the tiny territory about 600 miles off eastern Australia: "it was just a mistake".
Though the rugged volcanic island in the southern Pacific does ship a modest amount of Kentia palm seeds abroad, typically worth less than $1 million a year, mostly to Europe, news of the unusually steep tariff passed through its 2,188 residents on Thursday with a mixture of amusement and confusion.

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Norfolk Islanders overjoyed at brief elevation to tariff bad boys list

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The tiny Australian islands no one expected to draw Trump’s fury It’s two specks of land populated by penguins and seals.

Heard and McDonald islands, which sit 4000 kilometres south-west of Perth and are home to Australia’s only active volcanoes, are uninhabited apart from an occasional visit by scientists to check in on the unusual wildlife. (good pic of the inhabitants, caption - The inhabitants of Heard and McDonald islands – a tariff threat to the United States)

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‘Nowhere on earth is safe’: Trump imposes tariffs on uninhabited islands near Antarctica ... Heard Island and McDonald Islands are among several “external territories” of Australia listed separately in the tariff list to Australia, which will see a 10% tariff imposed on its goods.

External territories are part of Australia and not self-governing but have a unique relationship with the federal government. Such territories featured on the White House list were the Cocos (Keeling) Islands, Christmas Island and Norfolk Island.

.... In 2023, Norfolk Island exported US$655,000 (A$1.04m) worth of goods to the US, with its main export being US$413,000 (A$658,000) worth of leather footwear, according to Observatory of Economic Complexity data.

But George Plant, the administrator of Norfolk Island, disputed the data. He told the Guardian: “There are no known exports from Norfolk Island to the United States and no tariffs or known non-tariff trade barriers on goods coming to Norfolk Island.”

Albanese said on Thursday: “Norfolk Island has got a 29% tariff. I’m not quite sure that Norfolk Island, with respect to it, is a trade competitor with the giant economy of the United States, but that just shows and exemplifies the fact that nowhere on earth is safe from this.”

The export figures from Heard Island and McDonald Islands are even more perplexing. The territory does have a fishery but no buildings or human habitation whatsoever.

Despite this, according to export data from the World Bank, the US imported US$1.4m (A$2.23m) of products from Heard Island and McDonald Islands in 2022, nearly all of which was “machinery and electrical” imports. It was not immediately clear what those goods were.

In the five years prior, imports from Heard Island and McDonald Islands ranged from US$15,000 (A$24,000) to US$325,000 (A$518,000) per year ...

OMG - leather footwear????? machinery & electrical devices??? - those penguins are very clever.

Who is inventing this "data"

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 04:49 AM

"Who is inventing this data?"

He's 'heard it' somewhere...

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Aethelric
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 05:32 AM

“Hi Donald
My people think your people are starting to suspect our little arrangement.
We think you should get mad at me for a while.”

“Yeah O.K. Vlad, I’m good at getting mad.”

“You’re the best Donald. Oh, and no tariffs for Russia”

“You want me to get mad at you but not hit you with tariffs? How do I do that?

“One is the Ukraine and the other is the economy, stupid”

“OK. You can rely on me Vlad.”

“We both know that Donald.
????????”

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 07:13 AM

I was thinking this morning - ok I know that is bad for my health! Anyway there are 7bilion people in world so with a population of 300-400 million in the end the words doesn't really need the US market, so supply chain companies and other exporters could just decide it is not worth doing business with US any more and and cooperate towards a world wide reverse Boston Tea Party.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 09:08 AM

This debacle is being called worse than the worst case scenario.
The Trump message to all the nations of the world "Sit tight and take it. Do not retaliate or tariffs will go up. Wait and the current tariffs will be the high water mark that might be adjusted."

Aha, he wants bribes, while Americans will pay more, and Walmarts, Targets, and automakers will downsize. Farmers are on the immediate brink of bankruptcy. Last time, Trump had to bail out agriculture with 50 billion dollars.

This is not the gilded golden age anyone asked for.
Once everything is broken from food supply to health care and SS it tends to stay broken until it is slowly rebuilt during a depression after the current regime is gone.
How long is pain on a temporary basis?
Answer: Optimistically, it will take years. We already live in a world that is not coordinated and is set upon itself in many selfish ways.

Guess who did not go to the rescue of the 3,000 people killed in the recent earthquake. The MAGA YELL "Fuck them aliens". Down with USAID.
China helped.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: pattyClink
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 09:23 AM

Not only are Trump and Musk insane and incompetent, but the minions cooking up these tariff rates are demonstrating their gross incompetence. I imagine they are what is being produced by evangelical 'universities' these days. Major: Religion. Minor: Enshittification.

Yes, SPB-C, that's what's going on, the world order is changing and will no longer revolve around the USA.

Thomas Friedman on where the future is:

Original — https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/02/opinion/trump-tariffs-china.html

Archived — https://archive.ph/OZrfa#selection-4585.327-4585.335

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 09:23 AM

The only 'alien' (how I hate that fucking disgusting Americanism for anyone who happens to not have been born a Yank) in this whole crock o'shite is Donald Tump. He truly is NOT of this world.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 09:25 AM

Or even Trump!

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 09:49 AM

We all are in an experiment by something bigger than Trump.
It is called Sentient and it is classified but you can find out a little bit about it. Sentient

Culture is random. We as a species are becoming more monocultural compared to ancient humans. That creates an obstacle or weakness for evolution. If you are a nerd, you might see that Trump is trying to create an autopoietic nation. He won't know what that means, but it takes an entire planet system in turmoil to create life, not a single locale. I don't think he knows much beyond making a quick buck by deception.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Fred
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 11:31 AM

Re: Trump.


There's an old Star Trek line that says it best:

"It's life, Jim, but not as we know it!"

Fred

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 11:32 AM

*Agree*, BWM, on both counts (both the loathing of the expression and the identification of the lizard person). I've been saying for Simply Ages that our King should withdraw that invitation to tea at Buck House, on the grounds that the orange moron is an enemy alien and a danger to our national security.

Meanwhile, there's an article by Rob Slade in RISKS 34:60, which I find pertinent (qv for link to the full lesson):

*Security for ordinary folks*: Lessons from Signalgate 1 - Rules

[ ... ]

So, day by day, herewith some security lessons, applicable to seniors, homemakers, owners of your own business, students of security, security professionals, and all the way down to vice presidents of superpowers.

"Security for ordinary folks": Lessons from Signalgate 1 - Rules

Lesson one: this is why we have information classification rules.

[ ... ]

First of all, this whole story, and scandal, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. I mean that, quite literally. Nicer people are people who tend to follow the rules. The MAGA camp is led by someone who not only doesn't think that the rules apply to him, he doesn't think that there *are* any rules at all. [ ... ]

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 11:43 AM

This seems to be the point at which the congress decides to act. Their gored oxen is the stock market. Until now just normal citizens worrying about social security wasn't enough to budge them. Now if the senate can light a fire under Johnson to stop the stupid one day is one year thing. So much happening, what was that about again?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 11:48 AM

News flash (from BBC ticker): French president Macron calls for suspension of investment in the US.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 02:02 PM

It was just pointed out to me that the tariffs are not an economic measure but a political one. Economicly they do not make sense but politically they do. As well as giving the hard of thinking the impression that the turnip is a strong man, it gives him a great sense of power over others. In some ways, sadly, they do give him power. Once he has broken the country and the electorate start to rebel against his regime he can relax some of the tariffs, lowering prices and pacifying those railing against the regime.

Hopefully the majority over there are wise to this but can action be taken soon enough?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Fred
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 02:31 PM

It's not just the US, it's more or less EVERY country. The people (or most of them) struggle and those in power don't.

It wouldn't matter who was in the White House, in No 10 or anywhere else, nothing can change and nothing WILL change until those in power put the people before self.

Just my opinion.

Fred

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 02:39 PM

£20 Grand disappeared off Mrs Backwoodsperson’s Pension fund since the tariffs announcement yesterday. Thank you very much, you fat, ugly, orange c**t.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Fred
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 03:06 PM

Bw,

I WAS wondering cos that's not the you I'm used to. Now it's clear. That stinks man!

Fred

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Fred
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 03:56 PM

Bw,

About your wife's pension fund, I mean.

Fred

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 04:23 PM

Yeah, sorry about the sweary bit Fred, but she’s worked her butt off and saved hard for years, for what she hopes will be a comfortable retirement, only to see her money disappearing because of that fat, greedy, selfish waste of oxygen.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 04:34 PM

Hitler did better in the Great Depression.

The WSJ finally agrees with my bribery/tariff scheme.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Fred
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 05:04 PM

Bw,

No, I totally get it mate. I'd be the same to be fair.

Fred

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 07:05 PM

This may have slipped under the radar in the USA.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/03/donald-trump-ordered-pay-legal-costs-steele-dossier-lawsuit

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 07:21 PM

I've been browsing through a book about words and their meaning by the UK lexicographer Susie Dent.

Tonight in my reading I got up to "Trumperiness" to which she says

"This 19 the century word describes a state of being extremely showy but utterly worthless - in other words trashy. It is the first cousin tp "trumpet", from the French trompe. Trumpet"

A perfect description I think.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 07:21 PM

the United States is not a member of the International Criminal Court (ICC), although it played a role in establishing the Rome Statute that created the ICC, and has previously signed the treaty, it has not ratified it and has withdrawn its signature. Now Hungary has quit the World Criminal Court. Our friends in Russia, North Korea etc. welcome the news.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 07:25 PM

All I can say is that the grassroots in the US is working on this. Hopefully Trump won't know what hit him when all of it finally starts working. I'd really love him to have a debilitating stroke from the angry response, but whatever. He needs to be disarmed (the Executive Orders and the proclamations are something Congress can cancel) and impeached.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 07:33 PM

We need a new/old national anthem. National Anthem by Trump

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 08:11 PM

The Senate now has a new bill to limit Trump's tariff power.

Trump is in his castle and all of us, American or not, are the outside power. We can surround the castle and hold a siege.
It may be the fight of our lives. It may reveal the king is a coward or that he cares so little about other people that many are killed.
But now it is a fight for survival and not just an inconvenience.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Helen
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 08:12 PM

The question about the following review is whether Trump will interfere with it and whether he will sweep it under the rug, with all his other muck and garbage. (h to be back in olden times where the checks and balances, investigations and judicial systems could be trusted! :-(


Pentagon watchdog to review Pete Hegseth’s use of Signal app to convey plans for Houthi strike

"In short: The Pentagon's acting inspector general says he will review Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's use of the Signal messaging app to convey plans for a military strike in Yemen.

"In a memorandum addressed to Mr Hegseth, the Inspector General's office said it would examine whether the use of Signal met Defense Department guidelines.
What's next?

"Mr Stebbins said the review would take place in Washington, DC as well as at Central Command headquarters in Tampa, Florida."

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 08:25 PM

I foresee a march larger than the women's march during Trump's 1st term. A siege is not trashing the White House but creating an embargo of the presidency. The Senate has reached its limit but the House is still hanging together for the time being.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 11:38 PM

Some of this nonsense the House and Senate can stop if they decide to act. "IF" being the key word here.

I have mutual funds that are down 12% right now.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Helen
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 12:59 AM

SRS, on the topic of Trump's health, I noticed in the tariff announcement video that he appeared to be very stiff, not moving his head because his neck seemed stiff, and his stance was very stiff. I didn't watch the whole speech but I noticed the stiffness just before he turned to walk away at the end. He moved and walked like an automaton including keeping his body and head aligned and turning like he was made of a big block of wood.

He doesn't look very healthy in his face either. I think the stress is getting to him so a stroke might indeed be a possible health event for him.

I've resisted the temptation to say this, so you can delete it if you want, but given that he is a convicted rapist he probably hasn't had many women coming near him in private, so that form of stress relief might be being denied to him. (Sad! NOT!)

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 03:17 AM

”He needs to be disarmed (the Executive Orders and the proclamations are something Congress can cancel) and impeached.”

On the current showing, it ain’t gonna happen. Congress appear to be paralysed (or in cahoots with The Mango Mussolini), and we all know how the other impeachments turned out.

Barring a debilitating health issue, or someone getting lucky with a bullet (I never thought I’d find myself supporting the American laissez-faire gun-ownership laws!), we’re stuck with the fat, ugly bastard for the next four years.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 07:20 AM

Last week I shifted my mutual funds into money market accounts. I'm not saying hurray for me, I'm just putting this out there as an option.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 07:28 AM

There is resistance and fighr in the people but in the meantime how will the poor survive such times as these? Many won't

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 07:50 AM

A good question earlier was, "Where did these Trump numbers come from?"

His minions only looked at the trade deficit numbers of a nation and applied the highest tariffs on those.

That was nonsense economics and nonsense math. There is a bad case of history deficit disorder going on but Trump believes he's a genius.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 08:32 AM

If you believe this shit-show is all Trump's own work, you are either very naive or very deluded. Trump is the garrulous glove-puppet, the distraction tactic if you will, for a bunch of very wealthy, very dangerous, very fascistic politicians and businessmen.

Keep your eyes on the ball.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 09:50 AM

Trump may an ignorant dupe but he is the head of this treacherous snake and without him this insanity wouldn't be possible.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 01:22 PM

From yesterday to today, starting from the same number on my mutual funds, they are now down 18%.

The pressure is finally being placed on Trump, but it took the Senators and House members probably looking at their own stock portfolios to begin to act. Piss poor reason for starting to speak up for their constituents.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 01:52 PM

Life is just a bowl of cheeries was popular in the 1930's.
Life is just a bowl of coronaries today.

The market has not crashed like in 1929, but it could go lower.
It has lost over 3 trillion dollars, but Trump sez we have 7 trillion rolling in. I recall that Hitler believed he had army divisions that did not exist, probably out of a denial his ego demanded.

Just because some US billionaires caved in to Trump does not mean the world will pay to play Trump's fear and favor game.
I believe he has lost. Its all over except for his firing purge of those he will blame. Meanwhile, what is lost is gone and will never suddenly reappear. If a correction does happen it will take 3 months to stabilize at an overall loss.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 03:07 PM

A South Korean Court removed their President today.
The people were behind the court. Stranger things could happen here.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 04:59 PM

Only in your dreams…

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 05:51 PM

comment from one of our political commentators this morning -

As the internet came alive with memes of outraged Heard Island penguins protesting at being hit with 10 per cent tariffs by the US on Thursday, others online were speculating about just how the Trump administration had come up with its tariffs formula, which not only hit the scenic penguin colony but the US military base on Diego Garcia.

There was some speculation that the White House might have asked ChatGPT for some suggestions the night before.

sandra

personally I go with the Hollow Earth theory - the penguins have established an industrial complex making leather shoes for their friends in Norfolk Island (no penguins there, but lotsa' birds) & electrical goods for themselves! I wonder what they are making for their Diego Garcia friends.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 05:55 PM

comment from one of our political commentators this morning -

As the internet came alive with memes of outraged Heard Island penguins protesting at being hit with 10 per cent tariffs by the US on Thursday, others online were speculating about just how the Trump administration had come up with its tariffs formula, which not only hit the scenic penguin colony but the US military base on Diego Garcia.

There was some speculation that the White House might have asked ChatGPT for some suggestions the night before.

sandra
Hollow Earth theory - the penguins have established an industrial complex making leather shoes for their friends in Norfolk Island (no penguins there, but lotsa' birds) & electrical goods for themselves! I wonder what they are making for their Diego Garcia friends.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 06:15 PM

Tomorrow, Saturday April 5, there are protests large and small
planned all over the United States.
The umbrella title appears to be Hands Off.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 06:45 PM

It's much larger than just the US. At this point there are protests scheduled in many other countries as well. https://handsoff2025.com/

There is one scheduled in London on the
North Terrace in front of the National Gallery (3pm on Sat, 5 April) at Trafalgar Square, London, UK
London WC2N 5DS, DC 20001

Also in Edinburgh, as well as in Netherlands, Belgium, France, and two in Portugal. There's also one on American Samoa, though I don't see any in Australasia.

They're all over the US. I'll be going to one in the town directly south of me. Alas, my city doesn't have one scheduled.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Helen
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 07:32 PM

I haven't heard of any protests organised in Australia for April 5 but I'm sure there will be protests somewhere, maybe on a different day. We believe in free speech here so it's just another normal activity for us.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 09:46 PM

I previously linked to an author of project 2025 interview and his views on tariffs and government destruction. His name was Ron Vera,
...................................................................
IT TURNs OUT RON VERA IS NOT A REAL PERSON

The name is an anagram of Navarro. Ron Navarro is the Trump minion who has plunged the world into recession with his Trump approved plan.
It was Kutchner who initially went to the Amazon bookstore to find any like minded economist his father in law might enjoy to support.

source Rachel Maddow.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 09:57 PM

From: Donuel - PM
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 08:25 PM

I foresee a march larger than the women's march during Trump's 1st term.

A siege is not trashing the White House but creating an embargo of the presidency. The Senate has reached its limit but the House is still hanging together for the time being.