BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?

Subject: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:25 AM

Anyone heard of this?


When it comes to cuts, George Osborne likes to say "we're all in this together". But Channel 4 has just revealed that along with two other Cabinet ministers, he's avoiding paying tax. [1] He pays accountants to find loopholes which help him dodge £1.6 million.

"Legal" tax dodges like this cost the rest of us billions. [2] They mean some of the richest people in the UK get away with paying less tax than the poorest. How can we trust George Osborne to be doing all he can to close tax loopholes when he is using them himself?

Together we need to expose George Osborne's hypocrisy. Let's build a huge petition against George Osborne's tax dodges. We'll show that as long as he fails to pay his fair share of tax, the public won't buy his claims that "we're all in this together".

Click here to sign the petition to George Osborne - "pay your fair share of taxes, George":
http://www.38degrees.org.uk/osborne-pay-your-taxes

At the moment too many politicians think it's fine to dodge tax. They do it, and their friends do too. George Osborne seems to think it's OK to have one rule for him and his friends and another rule for everybody else.

We need to combat this relaxed attitude to tax dodging, and that means starting with the Chancellor. If thousands of us sign the petition against our tax-dodging Chancellor, we can shame him into paying his taxes. That would be a real breakthrough in our campaign to stop the UK's richest people dodging their fair share of tax.

38 Degrees members voted to campaign against tax dodging. We don't think it's fair for the UK's richest to be dodging their fair share of tax whilst the rest of us face cuts and tax rises. We've sent our MPs thousands of e-mails and hundreds of 38 Degrees members have helped design adverts for our national ad campaign against tax cheats. Now, let's turn up the heat on our tax dodging chancellor.

Tell George Osborne to drop his double standards and pay his fair share of taxes - sign the petition now:
http://www.38degreesorg.uk/osborne-pay-your-taxes


Thanks for being involved,

Johnny, Hannah, David, Charlotte and the 38 Degrees team


NOTES
[1] http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/episode-guide/series-72/episode-1
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/8069854/Cabinet-minister-has-investments-in-offshore-tax-haven.html
[2] http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oct/22/vodafone-tax-case-leaves-sour-taste

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:26 AM

I am really upset he looks so honest..

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:39 AM

He looks like like a sneaky greedy schoolboy.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 02:27 PM

Hmmm just heard a wonderful definition of affordable social housing.
Its the smaller properties in the cul de sac that the middle class mummies and daddies buy as mid term pads for the kids when they are home from Uni.

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 07:11 PM

I thought this Martin Rowson cartoon summed up the situation pretty well...

kitty

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 07:35 PM

In times of of recession it's always the millionaires telling the people who have very little that they've got to make sacrifices for the national benefit.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 08:34 AM

Cheers HK.

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Gervase
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 08:38 AM

But we're all in this together, remember?

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 11:26 AM

Which is why Vodafone are let off 6 BILLION in tax and the UK based customers of Swiss banks let off 40 BILLION.

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: alanabit
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 02:28 PM

The Conservatives always have had a deep understanding of opportunity and tax. I recall that after a (not so remunerative) career in the hothouse of British industry as a chemist, Margeret Thatcher, who was enabled by Denis's loot to study law, embarked upon a successful (and remunerative) career as a lawyer. Sheexploited tax loopholes for those who could afford her (now more expensive) services.

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 05:38 PM

"Hmmm just heard a wonderful definition of affordable social housing.
Its the smaller properties in the cul de sac that the middle class mummies and daddies buy as mid term pads for the kids when they are home from Uni."

University please. Such typical inverted snobbery.

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 05:55 PM

The story is rubbish and will prove to be so. Once again left Middle class journalists jealous over other people wealth. Pathetic.

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Lox
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 06:30 PM

"University please."

People who have been to University usually refer to it as "Uni" Bonzo.

Its called an abbreviation.

People who have been to Uni know what one of those is too.


I only say this as, judging by the woeful inadequacy of what you present as reasoned opinion, it is highly unlikely that you will ever be given the opportunity to find out for yourself.


But thats ok, because you've got a special window seat on the tory "happy bus" and they've even given you a little blue flag to wave ... off to the seaside Bonzo ... have a nice day ...

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:26 AM

Snobbery reinverted ?

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: theleveller
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 03:17 AM

Hypocrisy has always been a feature of Tory policy which is based on the premise of "do as I say, not as I do".

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: theleveller
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 03:38 AM

"Once again left Middle class journalists jealous over other people wealth."

Ho hum! Once again, a right-wing apologist bereft of ideas.

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 03:52 AM

Posted this in another thread, but worth posting here.

Seems like the footballers have found a way of tax avoidance as well.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/premier-league-stars-using-loophole-to-save-millions-in-tax-2118289.h

Go and sort those Grimsby Town football players out Tim.

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Stu
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 04:09 AM

Herga Kitty - great link to the Rowson cartoon. I skimmed through the comments below it and picked up on the bit's I'd missed - the belt on the Clegg-lathe is Lib-Dem gone native Danny Alexander. Brilliant!

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: theleveller
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 08:11 AM

He'll be telling us next that we've never had it so good.

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 08:19 AM

He wont be able to do pompous until he is 60.

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: theleveller
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 08:53 AM

He'll certainly have had plenty of practice by then.

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 02:04 PM

SJ - I originally spotted the cartoon in the £1 paper format, but it was only when I read your post that I became aware of the Danny Alexander belt! Thanks!

Kitty

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 06:32 PM

People who have been to University usually refer to it as "Uni"

Not in my presence.

"Uni" has various meanings - such a Japanese sea-urchin or an Etruscan goddess. That's quite enough.

I believe the corrupt form for university may have been spread by that unfortunate Australian soap, Neighbours...

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: theleveller
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 07:08 AM

"People who have been to University usually refer to it as "Uni""

It has been for as long as I can remember - and it certainly is today. The exception is probably amongst those who went to Oxford or Cambridge who usually use their college as the abbreviation. None of which I would expect Bozo to be aware of.

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 07:30 AM

Of course so many youngsters go to university now that a degree lost much of it's worth many years ago.

Leveller, I had the distinction of failing all 3 A levels at Queen Elizabeth's Boys' Grammar School Barnet - a feat which today would be impossible!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Lox
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 07:47 AM

"Of course so many youngsters go to university now that a degree lost much of it's worth many years ago."

1. Not that you'd have any idea about whether that was true or not.

2. We still have a very low number of kids going to uni compared to places like Germany, Denmark etc

3. Degrees from Germany Denmark etc are of at least the same value as British Degrees.


Once again Bonzo talks utter fiction about things he has no clue about.

The habit of a lifetime ...

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 08:14 AM

Yes but I have a lot of fun doing so - and if it gets up the noses of lefties I enjoy it all the more.

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Lox
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 01:56 PM

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       But it doesn't - it just makes you look thick.

       And when just about everything you write makes you look thick ... well ... people will form their own conclusions eventually.


       In the meantime, I will enjoy pointing and laughing at the thickest bits.



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Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 02:32 PM

This thread has went so far off track. Please allow Bonzo his viewpoint and leave out the personal insults. Exchange views and opinions, but leave the sh 1 t out of it.

It would appear that Mr.Osborne hasn't done anything wrong and will not be facing any charges.

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 03:56 PM

You don't get up my nose lox, I find your personal insults little more than something to ignore as minor irritations as I do those of leveller, bridge and other habitual insulters.

I'm sure everyone can see that they are just not very happy - something in their upbringing or schooling perhaps, who knows??

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Acorn4
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 04:52 PM

I notice the spelling in the thread title is "Osbourne" not "Osborne" - Ozzie spells it the first way, I think, and George the second.

Would it perhaps be better to leave Ozzie in charge of the economy and let George front Black Sabbath?

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Lox
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 05:03 PM

"Please allow Bonzo his viewpoint and leave out the personal insults."


1. He hasn't expressed a point of view

I pointed out that he writes utter fiction.

He agreed that this is true and he does it deliberately to annoy people.


2. He hasn't been insulted.

I clarified for him that deliberately writing unsupported nonsense doesn't have the effect of getting up anyones nose, it just makes him look thick.

Thats his choice ... or is it ...

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Gervase
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 05:41 PM

Leave Bonzo alone!
With his red nose and clown trousers he's becoming a Mudcat institution.

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 06:32 PM

Oh yes, there's another one - all fucking queers the lot of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Mr Osbournes Taxes ?
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 06:51 PM

A pastime many happily married Ladies partake of quite unknowingly I am sure.
This below the salt place is certainly overpowering in its erudition.