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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Amos Date: 15 Oct 08 - 04:30 PM Palin protest at state Capitol 200 attend Juneau rally day after legislative abuse of power report By Alan Suderman | JUNEAU EMPIRE Juneau residents staged a protest in front of the state Capitol on Saturday, urging the rest of the country to say "thanks but no thanks" to Gov. Sarah Palin's campaign to be vice president. "We are the constituents who know what her actions have been, what her behavior has been ... and we cannot tolerate that for the vice president of the United States," said the event's organizer Jeannette Lacey. About 200 people attended the hour-long event that featured a number of speakers who denounced Palin's record on abortion, Alaska Native issues, gay rights, the environment and other issues. "She's kinda cute, but she's no friend of wildlife," said former Board of Game member Joel Bennett. Near the end of the protest, the crowd sang a song called "Oh Lord won't you make me the vice president," model on Janis Joplin's "Mercedes Benz" tune. "Forgive me my blind ambition and lies that I've tossed, I must get to DC no matter the cost," the crowd sang. The protest came a day after a legislative investigation found Palin and her husband had abused her office's power by trying to get her former brother-in-law, a state trooper, fired. The investigation cleared Palin of illegally firing her former public safety commissioner, which Palin's spokesman said vindicated the governor. On Saturday, some protesters held signs calling for Palin's impeachment. "I think Alaskans and myself are most outraged with her stonewalling of the investigation, the sheer hypocrisy she's showing," said protester Bill Glude, while holding a sign that said: "The politics of Bush, the ethics of Nixon." Several people in the crowd also brought homemade signs mocking Palin, including ones that read: "Liar liar lips on fire," "Free Levi," "Troopergate abuse = bad dog Palin" and "Sarah, Dick Cheney in drag - only worse, you betcha." While national pundits have said Palin's pick as VP has fired up the right-wing base of the Republican Party, at home Palin's ascent to the national stage has mobilized an increasingly vocal anti-Palin crowd. Nevertheless, she has a contingent of vocal supporters among Juneau Republicans, many of whom got together to cheer on her performance at the vice presidential debate. One state pollster has found that her approval rating in Alaska, though still high, dropped significantly after she was picked to be McCain's running mate. "They've been ... touting her as the most popular governor," said University of Alaska Southeast professor Britteny Cioni, who had a sign that said "beware the trickster." "Well, maybe, but not with everyone, and there are people in Alaska that oppose her and oppose her policies," she said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: beardedbruce Date: 15 Oct 08 - 05:17 PM Love her or hate her, Palin has done for media ratings what she did for the Republican base. Her debate with Joe Biden was the most-watched cable TV show for viewers ages 18 to 34, according to Jonathan Klein, president of CNN/U.S. Obama has had a similar effect. Jim VandeHei, executive editor of Politico, reported that traffic on politico.com is "exponentially higher" for Palin- and Obama-related stories. Whereas the mainstream media are widely viewed as being pro-Obama, the same media are viewed as being hostile toward Palin. It is possible to be critical of Palin's lack of qualifications and experience without conveying contempt, but that hasn't always been the case. Early attacks on Palin's personal life and family values were perceived as unfair by those who already viewed the media skeptically. To those folks, it is laughable when the media ask themselves, "Are we too elitist?" The answer seems to be implicit in the question. As a self-described spy for Bubba who moves between home in the rural South and inside the Washington Beltway, I get more than an off-the-bus glimpse of the Palin phenomenon. Inside the Beltway, I've often felt like Jane Goodall, summoned from the hinterlands to explain the behaviors of the indigenous peoples. We're not talking disconnect, but worlds apart. Back home at my local grocery checkout counter, most of the other folks in line don't know or care how Tina Fey totally owns Sarah Palin. They only know that their food costs too much and gas prices are making the trip to work prohibitive. So how do the media win back the trust and respect of this segment of the population? Klein said media folk need to get out of their bubble and find out what people think. Indeed. After George Bush won re-election in 2004, few were more baffled than the media. In the South and flyover country, almost no one was surprised. How does that work? To remedy the gap between the two Americans, pundits came up with some novel ideas. One Los Angeles Times writer suggested an exchange program through which families in red and blue America could swap children for a while. The gap has only grown wider in the years since as an ever-expanding new media permits people to ratify their own worldview without straying far afield or tapping into a well of shared information. The result is greater partisan division, greater allegiance to bullet-point thinking, less mutual understanding. As media summit panelist Peggy Noonan commented, "You lose something in the nation when you're cut into as many small pieces as America is. There's no boring old central reality that we can all argue over." That is surely true. But there is a boring old central reality that characterizes the lives of the many Americans who are not perpetually plugged in. Their narrative may lack a dramatic arc, but their story is familiar and deserves respect. It's called paying the bills, getting the kids schooled and fed, and trying to keep a rapacious culture at bay. These are the folks who have found light in Sarah Palin and who have been a major part of the Palin frenzy. They will vote the McCain ticket regardless of whether Palin can rattle off Supreme Court cases with which she disagrees. They recognize themselves in her. To them, her lack of polish and knowledge feels like an absence of slickness and glibness. McCain's hunch that Palin would catapult him into the White House ultimately may prove wrong, but the Palin phenomenon and the mainstream media problem are of a piece. Therein lies the answer to the media's self-inquiry. Contempt for one's audience is not a sure way to its heart. Palin's people feel that contempt and they have identified its source as the enemy. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/14/AR2008101402068_2.html?hpid=opinionsbox1&sid=ST2008101500110&s_p |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Amos Date: 15 Oct 08 - 05:28 PM PBS has an online poll posted asking if Sarah Palin is qualified. Apparently the right wing knew about this in advance and are flooding the voting with YES votes. The poll will be reported on PBS and picked up bymainstream media. It can influence undecided voters in swing states. Click on link and vote yourself. Here's the link: http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Ron Davies Date: 15 Oct 08 - 08:36 PM BB- I thought I recognized the name Kathleen Parker--author of your Post column. Sure enough, she's the one who criticized Palin in the National Review, and for her work was flayed alive by their readers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have I missed a bit of news? From: Richard Bridge Date: 16 Oct 08 - 03:46 AM I am being told of a televised event in which McCain snatched the microphone from Palin thinking she was about to utter some gaffe. What have I missed and what are the facts of it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Ron Davies Date: 16 Oct 08 - 07:59 AM Very interesting, Richard. Shows how rumor has taken over this political season. Sounds like a a garbled version of the well-known incident when McCain took the microphone from a woman who had just labelled Obama an Arab. He said something along the lines of: "No ma'am, no. He is a good family man. We just disagree strongly about many policies". At any rate, if, as likely, it's that incident. Palin was nowhere in sight--though she has encouraged McCain supporters to believe that--and much worse--about Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Ron Davies Date: 16 Oct 08 - 08:05 AM What happened in the incident I mentioned is that McCain stood shaking his head while the woman levelled her absurd accusation. Then he took the microphone from her and said: "No, ma'am. He's a decent family man, a citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with." If anybody has information confirming Richard's rumor, I'm sure we'd all like to hear it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Ron Davies Date: 16 Oct 08 - 08:27 AM Yes, obviously he could have also assured everybody there is nothing wrong with being an Arab. He didn't. But what he did is a step in the right direction. Now, if he can only muzzle his slobbering pit bull (Palin) on a permanent basis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Ron Davies Date: 16 Oct 08 - 08:30 AM "it's that incident, Palin...." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Alice Date: 16 Oct 08 - 10:14 AM The woman who called Obama an Arab was interviewed after the town hall meeting. She still believes Obama is an Arab and thinks McCain was just afraid to deny that. She said she got the information from the local Republican party and copied a letter about it at Kinko's.... made 400 copies and mailed them to random addresses in the phone book. Interview of her here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-uptake/mccain-responds-to-arab-a_b_133820.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Donuel Date: 16 Oct 08 - 11:35 AM Palin will be the first candidate to not appear on Meet the Press since Dan Quayle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: dick greenhaus Date: 16 Oct 08 - 08:06 PM Is it true that McCain is going to replace her on the ticket with Joe the Plumber? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Amos Date: 18 Oct 08 - 10:46 PM John Cleese on Palin and Parrotry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Amos Date: 18 Oct 08 - 11:05 PM The Palin Plunge: Voters Sour On McCain VP Pick"...The more voters learn about Sarah Palin, the more wary they become. Once the focus of post-convention Republican euphoria, the Alaska Governor is now viewed as a serious liability to the McCain campaign. As it stands, Palin's polling numbers are daunting: with the unfolding economic crisis, her favorable to unfavorable ratings have switched from a positive 40-30, according to a September 12-16 New York Times survey, to a negative 32-41 in an October 10-13 survey. Palin is, additionally, costing McCain newspaper endorsements. Editor and Publisher calculated that as of Oct 18, Barack Obama led McCain 58-16 in the competition for the backing of newspapers. Many of the endorsements cited Palin as a factor in their rejection of McCain. The Salt Lake Tribune, which supported George W. Bush in 2004, commented that "out of nowhere, and without proper vetting, the impetuous McCain picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. She quickly proved grievously under-equipped to step into the presidency should McCain, at 72 and with a history of health problems, die in office. More than any single factor, McCain's bad judgment in choosing the inarticulate, insular and ethically challenged Palin disqualifies him for the presidency." The Kansas City Star, in turn, described Palin as "unqualified."..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Cluin Date: 20 Oct 08 - 07:43 PM Sarah Palin's appearance on Saturday Night Live... Just like the John McCain deke out & return re: Late Night w/ David Letterman: Ploy... PLOY... PA-LOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! Palin contacted SNL and requested to be on the show. It was no surprise. Everyone knew she would be. Consequently, the ratings that night jumped through the roof (as with Letterman). "Ooooooh! What's she gonna say and do to Tina Fey? Can't miss that!" Along with McCain's hyped flowers&candy Ike-loves-Tina routine on The Late Show, the voting public gets to see the running mates joke around with comedians a few weeks before the election. "Well, that was almost human. Look, they know how to laugh at themselves. Think I'll vote for them after all." The boring old Democrats could learn a thing or two from the media savvy Republicans... for all the right wing's ad nauseum complaints about the "Liberal controlled media". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Donuel Date: 20 Oct 08 - 09:52 PM I just saw her interview where she makes the charge that the Obama campaign MOCKS GOD. This might "energize the basest base doncha think? God will not be mocked and we have the torture policy to enforce the anti god mockery act. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Amos Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:29 PM Did she have any comment on how God feels about through-their-teeth liars, bearers of false witness, coveters, manipulators, and hussies who pose as something they are not? How about people who lust after Mammon? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: curmudgeon Date: 21 Oct 08 - 06:30 PM Palin's children travel at taxpayers' expense? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Alice Date: 21 Oct 08 - 06:38 PM Palin today talked about how the Vice President is the one in charge of the Senate and can "get in there" and create policy. hmmmmm Wrong once again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Amos Date: 21 Oct 08 - 07:38 PM How does God feel about fearmongers? Palin told folks today Obama would cause an international crisis. These guys just can't stop projecting the sins of the Bush administration, can they? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: GUEST,Justin U Date: 21 Oct 08 - 07:46 PM Amos, she will become the most powerful sexual woman on the planet. I honestly think she is a godess. Let justice be done. Let us see her in high office. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Amos Date: 21 Oct 08 - 07:51 PM Ah--a Totem of All Wankers, Justin? Fortunately, Justice has slightly higher sights than "facilitating Onanism" to aim for. But hey--enjoy yourself. It's probably as close to genuine female compassion as you are going to get. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin soends up big :-D From: freda underhill Date: 22 Oct 08 - 03:45 AM The goddess knows how to dress. Look, she's spent MORE THAN $150,000 of republican money on CLOTHES and MAKEUP!!! Obviously she understand very much those ordinary Americans currently struggling to survive the meltdown of the American economy. Perhaps this is her VP management technique - when things get tough, go SHOPPING!!!!!!!!!!! a good strategy, for those who have the money (and really, a very moral, ethical and religious sort of thing to do, isn't it?) freda |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: CarolC Date: 22 Oct 08 - 04:05 AM Every dollar spent on |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Amos Date: 22 Oct 08 - 08:53 AM Excerpt:WASHINGTON - Lipstick isn't the only difference between America's top hockey mom and a pit bull. Sarah Palin also has a spectacular new wardrobe, and Republican campaign donors picked up the breathtaking tab. The Republican National Committee spent $150,000 on clothing and accessories for the vice presidential candidate and her family since early September, according to a report by the Politico Web site. At Saks Fifth Avenue stores in Manhattan and St. Louis, the RNC paid for $49,425.74 in Palin apparel, the report said, citing financial disclosure records. There also was a $75,062.63 shopping spree at Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, where the Palins stayed during the Republican National Convention last month; $9.447.71 at Macy's in Minneapolis; and $5,102.71 at Bloomingdale's in New York. That much cash can buy a closet full of the pumps, hot red leather jackets and form-fitting business suits for the Alaska governor to wear on the stump Another $4,716.49 on hair and makeup came from the GOP while wooing "Joe Six-Pack" to vote for John McCain, the records showed. And more than $5,000 went to a men's store and a baby clothing store." Whoof!! I wonder what Lincoln spent, for example, gussying up for voters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Ron Davies Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:30 AM WSJ: 22 Oct 2008: WSJ/NBC poll: "The one candidate whose popularity has fallen is Gov. Palin. 38% see her positively, down from 44% two weeks ago; 47% see her negatively, up 10 points from the last poll. That's the highest negative rating of the four candidates. 55% of voters say Gov Palin is not qualified to be president if the need arises, up from 50% two weeks ago." And on AOL: Palin charged the state of Alaska for attendance of her children at functions to which they were not invited. Then she changed the expense accounts she submitted to reflect this charge. This will not exactly help her "reformer image", to put it mildly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Donuel Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:42 AM ET TU aMOS picking on this poor humble lady just because the GOP gave her some clothes to wear. The clothes are suppose to go to charity when the campaign is over someday in the fullness of time at the moment of eventuality |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Ron Davies Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:43 AM Source for the Palin expense account story: AP 22 Oct 2008 "Gov. Sarah Palin charged the state for her children to travel with her. including to events where they were not invited, and later amended expense accounts to specify that they were on official business". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Ron Davies Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:44 AM "with her, including..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Donuel Date: 22 Oct 08 - 05:06 PM look at these pricey clothes |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Riginslinger Date: 22 Oct 08 - 05:17 PM If McCain loses the election, at least she'll have something to wear for moose hunting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Donuel Date: 22 Oct 08 - 05:18 PM They will go up on Ebay |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Donuel Date: 22 Oct 08 - 05:18 PM She also said she will be in charge of the Senate and policy making as Vice President. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Riginslinger Date: 22 Oct 08 - 05:25 PM It's comforting to know somebody will be in charge of the Senate for a change! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: katlaughing Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:18 PM What she claims the VP can do is against the Constitution. If she'd ever read it, she would know that and so would you. Good op/ed piece on her sinking numbers and, a REALLY good one about all those "un-Americans" who come from BIG cities: HERE. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Riginslinger Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:24 PM This from Wikipedia: As designated by the Constitution of the United States, the vice president also serves as the President of the Senate, and may break tie votes in that chamber.[2] He or she may be assigned additional duties by the president... So the writer of that column has some homework to do... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Charley Noble Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:29 PM $50,000 really isn't a whole lot for clothing a Vice Presidential consort from Alaska. It really requires an entirely new wardrobe (polar bear or moose skin doesn't cut it), and several sets in a full spectrum of colors from puke green to fuchsia. I'm only surprised she didn't spend more! Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Ebbie Date: 22 Oct 08 - 10:29 PM The reported figure, Charley, is One Hundred Fifty Thousand. I must say that I had noticed her clothes. I had been surprised that an Alaskan was into such fancy duds. Hadn't occurred to me that she'd been taken shopping. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Ron Davies Date: 22 Oct 08 - 11:40 PM Sarah's model is Cheney. Not a reasonable model. Usually only when the president himself is capable of virtually nothing--even a coherent sentence. Shows that Sarah--like her defenders-- has very little knowledge of US history. Or probably much else. Except smearing. No wonder Mr. Hypocrite, AKA the CEO of Smears R Us, likes her. If the president has anything to recommend him, the VP is usually frustrated beyond belief--hence the "bucket of warm spit" (maybe worse). Only recent exception--when the president himself was more than an amiable barfly, as is the current occupant of the Oval Office --is Clinton--he let Gore handle some areas. McCain is miles above GWB in intellectual ability--and interest. GWB has neither. And only the absurd notion of half the electorate that they just wanted a drinking buddy got him in in 2000. And the spectacularly successful propaganda campaign of 2004 did the job that year. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Charley Noble Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:05 AM Ebbie- What I saw as a report provided more of a breakdown between clothing, accessories, make-up and other beauty processing; that's where my $50,000 figure came from. The total expense was reported in the neighborhood of $150,000, which is a damn sight more than the whole town of Wassila most likely spends on clothing and accessories on an annual basis. But it's important that Palin at least look wicked sharp, as we say in Maine. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:43 AM "Popular Views on Palin" Brilliant, absolutely brilliant! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Amos Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:04 AM Rig: ?????? A. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: katlaughing Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:18 PM "They're in charge of the United States Senate, so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes," she (Palin) said. The comment directly contradicted the separation-of-powers principle enshrined in the US constitution, under which the vice-president as president of the Senate has a casting vote in the event of a tie, but takes no other role. Ken Adelman, a Republican hawk who served in top diplomatic and defense posts for presidents Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, told the New Yorker magazine that Palin's choice for vice president made him switch sides and he is now supporting Obama for president. Former secretary of state Colin Powell, a Republican and military general who has also served as chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, on Sunday endorsed Obama and said of Palin: "I don't believe she is ready to be president of the United States, which is the job of the vice president." And one of former president George H.W. Bush's speechwriters, Christopher Buckley, a prominent conservative, announced this month he was abandoning support for McCain for many reasons, including "the Palin nomination. What on earth can he have been thinking?" From this place The breakdown on the clothing bill: $75,062 spent at Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis $41,850 spent in St Louis $4,100 on make-up and hair consulting $4,902 at Atelier, a men's clothing shop in New York $92 on a romper suit and hat with ears (for the youngest of her children) from BBC News But, her $150,000 seems like a drop in the bucket to McCain's wife's outfit at the RNC - $300,000 due in large part to a pair of diamond earrings. Of course, she probably paid for them herself. Nothin' elite about them, now is there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: CarolC Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:22 PM It was widespread voter disenfranchisement that got Bush elected in 2000 and 2004. And it could get McCain elected in 2008. I hope it doesn't, but it's a real possibility. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: CarolC Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:27 PM I find myself thinking that the reason the Republicans need have expensive clothes on the campaign trail is in order to impress all of the financial elites whose votes (and donations) they depend on, and whose elbows they rub daily. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:28 PM '"Former secretary of state Colin Powell... on Sunday endorsed Obama and said of Palin: "I don't believe she is ready to be president of the United States, which is the job of the vice president."' At the time he made that statement, the viewing public was unaware that he was in the process of carrying out a political agenda of his own. Since that motivation has been uncovered, his comments have much less veracity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Amos Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:38 PM Rig: WHat on earth are you referring to? Don't you ever get tired of making unfounded, unreferenced statements? DO you really expect others to accept your armwaving as facts? Do you have any factual basis for your statement about POwell's having some other political agenda (other than the obvious one of throwing his support behind Obama)? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: CarolC Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:44 PM I think the fact that he may be advising an Obama presidency gives his words more veracity rather than less. I have no doubt that Powell could have had an advisory position in a McCain administration, if he had wanted one. The fact that he would prefer to advise Obama than McCain, I think speaks volumes about McCain and his abilities. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Oct 08 - 01:11 PM "Do you have any factual basis for your statement about POwell's having some other political agenda..." Yes! After the announcement was made, Obama went public with the statement that Powell would be playing some role in an Obama Administration. The public was unaware that these arrangements had been made prior to the Press the Meat program. Now the public knows why he said what he did. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin From: PoppaGator Date: 23 Oct 08 - 01:18 PM We have a different thread in which to direct stupid and unfounded accusations at Colin Powell. This thread is about Caribou Barbie, like it or not. (And, like her or not). |
