BS: The Royal family and the S.S.

Subject: BS: The Royal family and the S S.
From: GUEST,East 17
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 08:55 PM

The Windsors' links with Nazi Germany remains an embarrassment.
Princess Michael of Kent's father, Baron Gunther von Reibnitz, was a Nazi party member and SS officer. Prince Philip's sister, Sophie, was married to Christopher of Hesse-Cassel, an SS colonel who named his eldest son Karl Adolf in Hitler's honour.

Indeed, all four of Philip's sisters married high-ranking Germans.

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 08:59 PM

None of us is responsible for others.

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: GUEST,son of my father
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 09:55 PM

who in UK these days fucking cares..


royals are an anachronistic embarassment at the very least..


they gotta go..

full stop !!

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Charley Noble
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 10:13 PM

Guest East 17 cares!

Isn't that sufficient for100 or so posts?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 05:31 AM

This is at least the third random thread, started close together by guests, seemingly designed to stir up arguements. Lets ignore it.

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 05:34 AM

Why ? Is this your site Bunnahabhain.

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: gnu
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 06:22 AM

guest 5:34... B is just stating an opinion which many Catters share.

While there may be some us who actually give a rats ass about who the Royals were fucking 60 or 70 tears ago...

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 06:42 AM

Christ! for a minute I thought they getting social security as well as the civil list.

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 06:49 AM

*LOL*

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 06:49 AM

So Guest, what do you suggest we do about it? But before you make any suggestions check to see what your family were up to.

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 07:22 AM

I want them to be my Secret Santa might get a new set of crown jewels!
G.

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 07:24 AM

Giok, if the ones you were originally issued with are worn out, thats NO business of OURS, thankyou....

*G*

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 12:05 PM

Yet another "new" guest starting an anti British thread.
2 on the same day this time.
In WW2 thee Royal Family refused to evacuate to Canada and stayed right through the blitz.

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 12:16 PM

My mistake. Only 1 thread started.

Prince Philip was on active service on a destroyer in WW2.

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 02:03 PM

Here is a pic of the then Princess Elizabeth.

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Stu
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 02:06 PM

What were their relatives up to in the First World war?

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 02:18 PM

Queen Victoria's vast family married into most of the royal families in Europe, and in the first world war we may have been fighting her 1st cousin's mob!
G.

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Les from Hull
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 02:26 PM

Fighting on both sides, Stig. To do otherwise would have been treason in the days of mass conscription!

This thread shows a deep misunderstanding of the relationships between the various European Royal Families. Because of intermarriages (and mainly beacuse of the large familily and Victoria and Albert and the desire of many other countries to have marriage connections with what was then the most powerful country in the world) you'll find relationships like this wherever you go. It means nothing in terms of the present UK Royal Family at all.

So if GUEST,East 17 has any thieves, murderers, paedophiles in his/her family...

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 02:29 PM

Well, though not a direct answer to your question, Stigweard, THIS is interesting.

The relevant extract says:

From the strictly formal point of view, writes AJP Taylor in his Oxford History of England 1914-45, Britain's entry into the first world war was declared "as though King George V still possessed undiminished the prerogatives of Henry VIII".
A characteristically arresting thought. But this is just the start. "At 10.30pm on August 4 1914," Taylor continues, "the king held a privy council at Buckingham Palace which was attended only by one minister and two court officials ... The cabinet played no part once it had resolved to defend the neutrality of Belgium ... Nor did the cabinet authorise the declaration of war. The parliament of the United Kingdom, though informed of events, did not give formal approval to the government's acts until it voted a credit of £100 million, without a division, on August 6."

-Wrong in itself, but there certainly doesnt seem to be any hesitarion on the part of King George V.

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 02:30 PM

Ayup Leslie...

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 07:08 PM

Queen Victoria's vast family married into most of the royal families in Europe, and in the first world war we may have been fighting her 1st cousin's mob!


Queen Victoria was held, on her deathbed by her grandson, son of her daughter Vicky. He was Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces during WWI, and his son was a field commander. He is better known as Kaiser Wilhelm II. His abdication in 1918 lead to the rise of Chancellor Herr Hitler.

So yes.... the Royal Family of Britain (formerly known as Saxe-Coburg, before George changed it to Windsor) was closely connected to various departments of the German government.... so what? Scratch any family hard enough and you're going to find a connection to someone you'd rather not be associated with - unless your family lived in one village for over 200 years and didn't do much but farm, fish and thatch.

Scratch the present Pope hard enough and you find the head of what was formerly known as the Inquisition - choose your baddie.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 07:59 PM

There was another thread, Chamberlain and Hitler, active before this one was sgtarted. That thread covered a lot of this subject. I wonder why there was a need to split this off and start a new discussion.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 08:09 PM

Well, I been active in both threads, Mister Joe, & for what it worth, I dont mind them being combined, if thats what you would like to do?

We certainly dont seem to need both, I agree

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 08:26 PM

I can't see combining them, at this juncture. Still, I wonder why we so often have five threads on more-or-less the same subject. It seems to water them all down.

East 17 posted more-or-less the same thing in the Hitler/Chamberlain thread, and an interesting discussion followed. I don't understand why the new thread.

Can't say I know what the answer is, but I wish there were an answer.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 08:33 PM

Yeah... & the 1st half of this thread 'neither nowt nor summat' neither...

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: number 6
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 08:33 PM

How about a thread ... The Royal family of the U.S. and the Nazi connection (the patriarch Prescott Bush).

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Barry Finn
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 09:15 PM

#6 don't open that can of worms. Well be crossing the SS, the Bin Laid-ins & the Royal Saudis, the former South African government & the Blairs with the Texas teetoatalers, the Oilers, the Great Deppresion, the Christ-ones & who know what else. Keep the headlights on the Brits, they don't have squat on us, we could certinaly show them how to play the bed jumping game in the 21st century. Of course we MAY learn a small bit from some of the elder players, but not much I'd wager.More so that we could show them a trick or 2 that they have put to test yet.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 09:16 PM

eh....wot?

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Barry Finn
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 09:35 PM

I know Paul. Sometimes it's just as hard for us Americans to wade through the Brit language divide.

That last line should've read "More so that we could show them a trick or 2 that they 'haven't' put to 'the' test yet.

sorry
Barry

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: LadyJean
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 12:18 AM

My sister was involved with a former member of the Chicago Latin Queens, the ladies auxilliary of the Chicago Latin Kings. I kept my own counsel even when said former queen was arrested for riding a stolen motorcycle. I kept silent when she slashed my sister's tires. Because NOBODY has ever been able to tell my sister anything.
But I did not belong to, nor am I in sympathy with, any street gang. They just aren't my kind of people. And I am a FLAMING heterosexual.
One might consider two other notable Britons. Unity Mitford was deeply attached to Hitler, calling him "Hittles". Her sister Jessica was a communist. Families are odd things.

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 03:10 AM

From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 12:05 PM

Yet another "new" guest starting an anti British thread.

How is this anti British ? So is embarrassing truth now considered anti British ? Grow up fool.

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 03:43 AM

Like the embarrssing truth of "The Brits Who Fought For Hitler"?
Answer, not one!
Like the embarrassing truth of the evil England football fans?
Answer, They were among the best behaved of all.
Ageism, racism etc etc

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 05:09 AM

East 17 dear Joe has his own agenda, and it is unlikely that he read any other posts. He is a troll pure and simple and is trying to sow discord in this paragon of harmony that we call The Mudcat Cafe
Giok ☺

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Stu
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 06:21 AM

Interesting article Paul, and I had never realised the Monarch was able to make decisions like this as late as the early part of the last century. Frightening stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 10:34 AM

Surprised me too Stigweard

Maybe he COULDNT, technically, but once the decision was made, there was too much 'deference' to the Monarch to do anything about it? Plus, that was hardly a situation that could be reversed....

Subject: RE: BS: The Royal family and the S.S.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 12:50 PM

"The Windsors' links with Nazi Germany remains an embarrassment."


Does it? (yawn.....)

So what? If Hitler had won the war, then upper class British family links with Churchill and Mountbatten would be an embarrassment, wouldn't they?

And who really gives a damn? I know I don't.