BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Kim C
Date: 21 May 04 - 09:47 AM

Y'know, I never thought much about it, but the fact is, I don't know much about Canada. Or Mexico either for that matter. The only time I ever hear much about Canada in the news is when the Quebecois have a secession referendum.

As for the bull in the china shop.... that also depends on the size of the bull and the size and layout of the shop. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Big Mick
Date: 21 May 04 - 11:02 AM

I will agree that many citizens of the US know little about Canada. I spend a great deal of time in Canada, and am fascinated by its patchwork of peoples, its politics, its way of life, its history, and its music. The songwriters seem so tied to the land they inhabit, and the history, and their pride of country, that it seems they write music unlike much of what I hear out there. My comments are not intended to reflect discontent with Canada, in fact I have great admiration for that country and its denizens. They have retained much of what the US has lost. It is a unique and wonderful country, with an identity that is enviable.

As to criticism of the US, much of it is deserved, and I can't recall a time when I was more disappointed in the actions of my country. I just react when I see justifiable criticism cross over into the area of everything we do is despicable. The contributions of this noble experiment are legion. Its mistakes are out there for all to see. We are not a perfect nation, but our people, in the main, are decent and well intentioned. I agree with John McCain and others when they say that only full disclosure, prosecution, public mea culpa, and then get back on the road. While we never should have been in Iraq to begin with, we certainly have a moral obligation to help restore the infrastructure, turn the government over to leaders the Iraqui's choose in a free, fair, and internationally monitored process of some sort, and leave. Succinct and oversimplified, I agree, but that is the path we must follow. And no alibi'ing our actions in those prisons.

As to the animal that beheaded Berg, my opinion is the same. And the same standard should apply to all sides in this matter.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: DonMeixner
Date: 21 May 04 - 03:39 PM

On the NPR News at 1:00 today the reporters anoounced there were 4
Iraqis in custody and charged with Mr. Bergs death. They had been members of the Fedayeen. More news will probably follow.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Kim C
Date: 21 May 04 - 04:49 PM

Veeeeeellllly intellesteenk.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: DonMeixner
Date: 21 May 04 - 05:18 PM

And NOW the NPR news people are saying there are two Iraqis in custody. The police allowed the other to to leave. The two in custody are being questioned untill the authoritieds are positive of innocence, or I suppose guilt (chargeability).

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 May 04 - 05:22 PM

First of all, I keep returning to this thread to see the fallout and the tap dancing.

I can choose when I want to be intellectual or plain just not want to. I will usually give what I perceive to be hate mongers of Americans and Jews a does of their own crap and I don't pretend in the slightest to call this type of hate high intellectual thought, which some obviously do.

Big Mick is right when he says dianavan is the one of the most anti-american posters on this board. It's then oh so easy to try to get some sympathy when someone calls her on it and then someone else agrees.

Big Mick is also right for standing up for seeing the good in America and I'll stand up for it with him. People like dianavan rub me wrong and I know I rub some here wrong. To her and to those, fuck ya.

Sorry Kim C., tried to be sweet there for a while, but gave up. Just being honest with my feelings.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 May 04 - 06:31 PM

Here's a piece by Nick Berg's father, Michael Berg, published in today's Guardian:

"Even more than the murderers who took my son's life, I condemn those who make policies to end lives ":

"...My son's work still goes on. Where there was one peacemaker before, I now see and have heard from thousands of peacemakers. Nick was a man who acted on his beliefs. We, the people of this world, now need to act on our beliefs. We need to let the evildoers on both sides of the Atlantic know that we are fed up with war. We are fed up with the killing and bombing and maiming of innocent people. We are fed up with the lies.

Yes, we are fed up with the suicide bombers, and with the failure of the Israelis and Palestinians to find a way to stop killing each other. We are fed up with negotiations and peace conferences that are entered into on both sides with preset conditions that preclude the outcome of peace. We want world peace now.

This is an extract from his message of support for the Stop The War Coalition's demonstration, "End the Torture - Bring the Troops Home Now", which will be held at 11am tomorrow at the Embankment in London

Subject: Way off topic here...
From: robomatic
Date: 21 May 04 - 06:55 PM

Di-van:

While I have disagreed with some of your posts, I may have seen more of Canada than you, and I urge you to see more of your own beautiful country.

Though I have been in support of the war in Iraq, I don't hold it against Canada that with the information in front of them, they have taken a different course.

I have driven the Trans-Canada, the Alaska Highway (which is mostly in Canada), and I have some strong beliefs:

1)That we in the U.S. have been luckier than we deserve to have the northerly neighbor we do.

2)I agree that most of U.S. has almost no knowledge of Canadian history and the part we played in it.

3)Stan Rogers was a genius.

4)Where has all the ginger beer gone?

5)I really wish the Canadian identity could hold out a bit better than it has, but I guess the McDonaldization of the entire world is bringing us closer together.

6)I don't forget things like having some of our Iranian hostages safeguarded in the Canadian Embassy and returned to us. I guarantee you that whatever bitchin we Yanks do, you will find that a lot of us remember.

7)I really hope you can keep your country together. Another reason you should spend some time travelling it. If Quebec goes independent, I think it's a matter of time before most of Canada would formally become American. It wouldn't be a disaster, but it would be a shame.

8)One of the great stories of incredible rivalry and friendship is the story of Halifax and Boston. Both fielded privateers against the other in the periods around the first two American English wars. Fortunes were built in Halifax on plundering the American trade. FAST-forward to the burning French munitions ship which exploded in Halifax harbor during WWI and a huge amount of aide was rendered from the city of Boston.


Now if only you guys would learn to spell...

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 04 - 02:03 PM

I come from Irish/English/Scottish ancestors, and I have more in common with Yanks than I do with people from Britain or Ireland. I don't trust the American government, but I do trust the American people. (Parenthetically, I don't trust the Canadian government, either!)

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: DonMeixner
Date: 22 May 04 - 03:56 PM

Bruce,

You are a man of rare good wisdom. Trust the people you watch TV with, not the people you watch on TV.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 May 04 - 04:14 PM

I have more in common with Yanks than I do with people from Britain or Ireland. You leave out the Scots there, brucie, I see...

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 May 04 - 04:37 PM

Pushed the button, and then noticed you'd said British there, not English (though you didn't in respect of your ancestors).

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From:
Date: 22 May 04 - 10:51 PM

Just a few comments on the war. I am in special operations and just returned from Iraq. What is the United States citizens thinking when they say they don't support the war. In reality they just have to support the men and women. 90% of the armed forces joined not thinking about going to war but to make a better life for themselves and to get a better education. Most are 18-22 year old kids scared for their lives over there. If you remember they flew planes into the TWIN TOWERS, we didn't. Before I joined I somewhat felt the same way but after seeing how the women and children have to live that was it. Every Iraqi terrorist we encountered had a 12-13 year old wife when he himself is in his 30's. You could see the childhood that was taken from them in their eyes. I read an article earlier and some American was apologizing for the United States actions of this war. What about the news reporters, Iraqi's are beheading, raping, shooting, burning, hanging, beating, and draging Americans as we speak. For someone to say they were wrong for being there, or the news to say we are wrong for the recent things that we have did to them is a punishible crime in itself. During the vietnam war special forces did so well because of psycological warfare. The SEALS found out that Vietnamese thought their souls would not rest if all of the body parts weren't intact. The SEALS would take bits out of their livers and other body parts and that is how they became to be known as the most terrified force and named The Green Faced Devil's. Now because of the news and bleeding heart Americans we can't deprive them of any of their senses I.E hoods, blind folds or tape, food deprevation or sleep. If americans would support us and let us convert to psychological warfare again then all of the terrorist acts would cease, less American lives lost and the war would be over. The Iraqi terrorists favorite words were I know my rights! If that is so then why are we being killed when they are getting food 3 times a day and a living quarters better than some of military personnel live in. Did you know the Army troops at one point had to survive on one MRE a day and give 2 of theirs away so the Iraqi detainees could have 3? We take some pictures and they behead a person. Does that sound right? Do we go and grab an Iraqi in the States and cut off his head for their actions? They are doing all of this because they know if they get caught they will live better than they do know. If we could go over there and do the same things as they do the war would be over. Americans think the military is killing our troops but in reality it is American citizens and their bleeding hearts. War isn't pretty and everyone that is not or has not served in the armed forces should feel really lucky. If we didn't have people willing to go do this they there would be a draft and you don't get to choose if you want to go or not. It is hard to see the other side of things if you have never served but talk to people that have and have been over there to learn. No matter how you think you are getting screwed by our government or how much it sucks, believe me it could be alot worse. We are the land of the free. Iraqi people hate us because of our freedom. They want a communist country where the men control it. To the men that think we are wrong I hope you can feel the pain of the little girl who has had here hopes, virginity, dreams and life taken away from her which could be your daughter. To the women, picture a life where you were forced to marry an uncle or brother at 13, your virginity taken away. I know there isn't a women in the world that doesn't like to snuggle with their husbands at night. Imagine sleeping in a room with 10 women and 20 children while your husband sleeps in the other end of the house with 10 men. Imagine your daughter being taken away at 12 or 13 for marriage. This is alittle sample of reality that goes on there. Finally to the NEWS REPORTERS and the PEOPLE that never support us and pray for forgivness to Iraqi terrorists for us going over there freeing them, for pay back for 9\11, and every other terrorist attack they have performed on any country. May God give the United States the brains and balls to take away your citizenships and send you over to the Middle East for a taste of reality. If there is anyone interested in more information you can contact me at [e-mail]. I don't want to change your view but hope to open your eyes alittle. Also don't talk about things you don't know about. If this country is so wrong what are you doing living here? Get out and make the world a better place.

Thank You for you time.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: dianavan
Date: 23 May 04 - 01:42 AM

jwt - "Iraqi people hate us because of our freedom. They want a communist country where the men control it."

Who told you this?

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: GUEST
Date: 23 May 04 - 01:44 AM

Could it possibly be that they hate you because you represent an occupying military power that has been shown to use torture and to have killed those it was claiming to be protecting/freeing.

And however you feel about it, it is their culture not yours, seeking to change it by waving a gun in their face is even less likely to endear yourselves to the Iraqi people, they are a devout (whether you like it or not) people with a long history of which they are proud. Claiming to know better while driving around Baghdad in your tanks will not win hearts and minds.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: GUEST
Date: 23 May 04 - 01:44 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 23 May 04 - 02:54 AM

Dianavan - GUEST jwp's post is an eloquent expression of a different viewpoint, which he/she seems (assuming he/she is telling the truth about recent service in Iraq) to have gained from the experience of being there. Just because it differs wildly from your view of things, and it's literary style is perhaps less sophisticated that that of many others on this thread, doesn't mean it's any less valid, and your comment of "Who told you that" is a low shot at someone who's apparently witnessed the dungheap of the Iraq situation at first-hand (something which, thankfully, you and I are never likely to have to do).

I don't agree with him/her either but, please, at least have the grace to accept that this person has formed their opinion not on the biased propaganda fed us by the media and the politicians, but on personal experience and observation, in a situation not of their own making and where they have suffered danger and deprivations of which the likes of us have little or no experience. I personally know people who have served in the current Iraq action and, trust me, they are changed forever. The psychological scars, and the physical ones too, are borne by all sides. In war everyone suffers, and I think GUEST jwp's post, warts and all, is proof positive of that.

The plight of the people of the Middle East (not just Iraq) is appalling and an affront to civilised society, I know we agree on that, but it's not the servicemen and women of the United States and other countries who should be suffering the fall-out from your Rage Against America - they went because they had no other realistic option (unless you count Court-Martial as an option, and I guess that's not acceptable to your average soldier) - it's the liars, self-servers and sycophants in The White House, on Capitol Hill, in Westminster and in the world's media that you need to turn your venom against. IMHO.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 May 04 - 06:46 AM

I suspect that rant by jwp is probably "black propaganda" by someone who wants to put the USA in the worst possible light. Not really much need for that these days, maybe.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: dianavan
Date: 23 May 04 - 10:21 AM

Strollin Johnny - I asked a simple question.

You have certainly read alot into what I said and you certainly do not know what my feelings are regarding the poster. If you believe what you wrote, those are your ideas, not mine.

My thoughts regarding the poster are more akin to deep, heartful sympathy. Don't presume to second guess me, read between the lines or put words in my mouth.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 May 04 - 11:49 AM

I think "Who told you that?" was a valid question. That 'Iraq hates us because they hate freedom' is a frequently postulated idea of the current White House gang.

It does not seem likely that an Iraqi, asked why s/he hates the USA, answered, Because I hate freedom.

Nah.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 May 04 - 12:24 PM

Then there's the fact that the jwp rant is utter crap.....

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 May 04 - 12:57 PM

Utter crap?

It was heartfelt and closer to the truth then you can say Greg F.

And of course you also, dianavan.

Both of your challanges to Guest, jwp were some of the lamest comebacks I have ever read.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: GUEST
Date: 23 May 04 - 01:27 PM

Heartfelt crap then.

Martin, you agree with this jerk as you are full of hate, intolerance and bigotry as he is.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Apache
Date: 23 May 04 - 01:32 PM

Are we sure that the video is real, did anyone check the Created On: date.

Is this just another random snuff film from the internet?

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 May 04 - 02:02 PM

Heartfelt? You really think that the rant was genuine? Well, I suppose anything is possible. But it read like "a Modest Proposal" to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 23 May 04 - 02:22 PM

I am willing to accept that GUEST,jwp's posting is honest, and heartfelt. But in this case, it worries the hell out of me that he thinks Iraqis flew planes into the Twin Towers. If he bases his feelings on "facts" like this, he needs to re-examine some of them. It is factual inaccuracies like this that will lead others either to doubt the sencerity of the message or dismiss it as a whole. Surely Martin, you don't agree with this statement (about Iraqis flying the planes, I mean)?

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 23 May 04 - 02:38 PM

McGrath, Dianavan, Ebbie - as I said, I disagree strongly with a great deal of jwp's post, but I have sufficient humanity, and personal experience of the effect of war on the people who find themselves actually involved in the violence, to realise that this person's post, if genuine (and I have no way of proving or disproving that, nor for that matter have you), has a real basis in actual experience, and the views expressed in it are as valid as anyone else's.

Dianavan - your question "Who told you that?" - I'll explain. I didn't, and I don't need to, put words in your mouth, isn't it obvious from the question that you believe jwp's views as expressed in the posting are a regurgitation of some political dogma that's been fed to him/her, and not genuinely-held personal views? If you didn't think that, why ask the question? And you've made no secret of your scorn for, and distrust of, the US Administration and those you perceive as their lackeys, (something on which we do in fact agree) so why wouldn't anyone assume that your post (which consisted simply of that terse question and in which, unlike me, you made no attempt whatsoever to display the 'deep heartful sympathy' that you're now claiming to feel for this unfortunate person) was merely an attempt to either denigrate jwp because of their service in the occupying forces in Iraq, or to goad him/her into making another posting in the same vein as their first so that you could attack him/her further. If your response to jwp's post had been along the lines of "You have my sympathy for having been involved in this unjust war, and for the damage it's done to you, but I'd appreciate it if you would explain why you believe........etc. etc.", I would have had no reason to respond as I did, but an unqualified "Who told you that" reads as being loaded with anger and aggression against the questionee. If I misjudged you then I'm happy to put my hand up and apologise, but you've nailed your colours firmly to the mast in this and other threads, and in that respect perhaps you're reaping what you've sown?

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 May 04 - 04:04 PM

As I said, that post could be genuine. Of course, to be effective as black propaganda, it would need to persuade people that it was genuine. I thought it was a bit over the top for that.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: dianavan
Date: 23 May 04 - 06:18 PM

Strollin Johnny - Why don't you let jwp answer for himself/herself? I guess you missed the posts where I mentioned a brother and husband who served in Vietnam. I can easily imagine my brother writing such a letter when he returned. I have no reason to believe jwp's post is insincere.

If jwp believes the iraqis flew planes into the twin towers or that they hate us because of our freedom then he needs to get his mind set straight. I wasn't sure if this was something he learned from the Iraqis or from govt. propaganda being shoved down his/her throat. Perhaps this is just another cultural belief - military culture, that is. Which just goes to prove my point (in another post) about the educational and economic level of the people who have been sucked into fighting this war.

Strollin Johnny - I assume that if he's/she's old enough to serve in the military he's/she's old enough to speak for himself. Please don't patronize and do not tell me how I should or shouldn't express myself. It was a straight question.

And by the way, do you really think a person who served in Iraq needs to be protected from me? If I had no respect or sympathy for jwp, my words would have been very harsh indeed. How dare you insinuate the tone of the question? You've never heard my voice and you do not know my feelings.

I witheld my feelings and will choose to do so if I wish. You are not in charge of my feelings or my words so go tell the same thing to Martin and see how far you get.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Kim C
Date: 23 May 04 - 09:09 PM

I don't know if jwp's post is for real or not, but I think it's fair to say that anyone who has actually been to the war zone is going to have a very different viewpoint than someone who hasn't.

I also think it's fair to say that some of the Muslim extremists dislike America because of the freedoms we offer our citizens, especially women. We let women go to school, have jobs, drive cars, and walk around with their heads (and lots of other body parts) uncovered. Those ideas are incompatible with some of the extremely religious views some Muslims hold.

I was going to say something else but I got distracted & lost my train of thought...

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: GUEST
Date: 23 May 04 - 09:23 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 May 04 - 07:02 AM

You're full of anger Dianavan - it's dangerous to your health, seek help.
Best wishes,
John :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 May 04 - 09:21 AM

Sorry there, Johnny Martin & Co, but you're operating under the fallacy that all opinions are equally valid, and the further fallacy that simply because someone has "been there" they are necessarily in possession ot "The Truth". Nonsense.

Some opinions can be supported by evidence & objective fact, others not.

The statement in question- whether "genuine" or planted disinformation- is still utter crap.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Kim C
Date: 24 May 04 - 10:18 AM

I wouldn't say someone who's been there necessarily has The Truth - just that they may have a different perspective on things.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 May 04 - 11:08 AM

Precisely Kim. I thought that's what I'd said (but in a lot more words)?
Greg, I didn't say jwp's in possession of the truth (indeed are any of us?), and I was at pains to say that I disagree strongly with a great deal of what was said in his/her post. I simply feel that, having actually been there (if the statement's genuine, and we have no proof either way so I think we should assume it is), jwp's views may well be heavily influenced by what he/she's actually gone through, unlike us teachers/accountants/lawyers/truck-drivers/part-time moose-hunters/unemployed musicians/failed stand-up comedians etc., who just sat on our fat arses at home, drinking beer, spouting off and making up rules as we go along about what should and shouldn't be. From that angle at least, the guy surely deserves a hearing? And a pile of sympathy.
J :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 May 04 - 11:13 AM

And now, as I seem to be the only one with an ounce of sympathy for that poor sod, I'm gonna get on with something that matters. Like painting my fence.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: dianavan
Date: 24 May 04 - 01:28 PM

Strollin johnny - I am no angry about jwp's post. If anything, I think its pathetic.

I am angry about alot of things going on in the world today. Its either that or depression. There is nothing wrong with feeling angry, its a real emotion. Depends on how you express it that matters.

I get real angry with men who try to silence women by denying their emotions. Especially when they attribute negative emotion to an innocent question. I'd say you have the problem, Johnny, speak for yourself instead of trying to protect an ignorant poster. Like I said before, it the poster really believes what he/she wrote, somebody has to set their mind right. I certainly would not want to see that kind of misinformation repeated.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Metchosin
Date: 24 May 04 - 01:37 PM

dianavan, perhaps jwt read the book The Arab Mind which is used as a US military primer. Some of his viewpoints certainly have a similar stench and the book has been deemed an easy read. It is of no surprise that US military "intelligence" has veered so far off the mark at times, when they have based their understanding of their "enemy" upon such drivel.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: dianavan
Date: 24 May 04 - 02:28 PM

Metchosin - Thanks for that link. It explains alot about the mindset of the U.S. military. It also explains why the U.S. soldiers refer to Arabs as "sand niggers". I am thoroughly disgusted.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Kim C
Date: 24 May 04 - 03:30 PM

Didn't they have a book like that about the Japanese during the 2nd World War?

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Big Mick
Date: 24 May 04 - 03:48 PM

People's biases certainly show through in this thread, and that is natural.

First off, let me assure you that this guy is not Special Forces. It takes a certain level of knowledge, and no Special Forces Operator would postulate that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. My guess is that this person perceives himself as patriotic, and does not see the sin in passing misinformation in pursuit of his political views. Either that or completely incapable of understanding that he is in the thrall of the propaganda masters of the administration.

Iraqui's don't hate us because they hate freedom. They hate us because we are acting like only we have the ability to give them the gift of freedom. They hate us because we don't see that they are not us. They hate us because, despite professing the belief in democracy, we are not willing to let them choose the leadership and style of representation that suits them. In short they hate us for being paternalistic and self serving.

Having said that, it is imperative that we make sure, in the implementation of free elections, that we make absolutely sure that the elections are fair. Further, given that we have destroyed any infrastructure that existed, we must provide the security needed to insure that the myriad factions there don't run wild. That is the difficult one. Doing that without becoming the oppressor will be very difficult. It did not have to be this way. But Gung Ho Dubya, in his very best John Wayne imitation, went running in there without a plan or the troops to implement order. He was so sure that folks would just love to be like us, he missed the critical detail. And that was that there are many vested interests and diverse views of what Allah wants.

Simply put, we did not have to do this. We have muffed it from the start, and now find ourselves in a very tough position. I am mightily saddened for the deaths, and for the psychological trauma that the returning vet's will face when we leave. Reminds me of another time...........

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 24 May 04 - 08:00 PM

Dianavan...as quoted to Strollin Johnny.

"I witheld my feelings and will choose to do so if I wish. You are not in charge of my feelings or my words".

How does one withold feelings...what you feel at any one time is what you feel. You may withold expression of your feelings....which seems to be anger at the time as I see it. Also who is in charge of your feelings??? as you put it.
Should you be spending so much time on Mudcat? I suspect you will give yourself an ulcer if not careful. Please be careful with your health...no point in ruining it on here.
Be Blessed.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 May 04 - 08:01 PM

El Grecko

No, I do not believe Iraqui's flew planes into the twin towers. That's obvious.

I do believe though that Arab Muslim fanatics flew the planes into the twin towers. I also believe Arab Muslim fanatics are a major problem in Iraq.


dianavan

Your instructions to Strollin' Johnny to tell the same thing to me is another version of your tapdancing bullshit. If you are going to dish it out, take it like a man. Please seek counseling for your self admitted anger and depression.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 May 04 - 10:39 PM

Martin Gibson,

The issue isn't that they are Arab Muslim Fanatics It's that they are Fanatics. For example you are a Guitar Liking Bigot. The issue is that you are a bigot, not that you like guitars.

I believe that ignorant bigotry like yours, is what allows George and the Chickenhawks to present Iraq as a solution to the problem presented by Al Qaeda.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 25 May 04 - 09:00 AM

Dianavan, you're still talking drivel, and from now on you're talking to the hand.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 May 04 - 09:17 AM

Fanatics come in all religious shapes and sizes. Timothy McVeigh was a Christian, and so were a lot of other people who have been responsible for atrocities. In the same way, there have been Jewish fanatics, Mormons, Sikh and Atheist fanatics. Even Buddhist fanatics, though perhaps not quite so many. Sometimes the motivation has been from their understanding of their religion, sometimes for other reasons.

.........................

"...it is imperative that we make sure, in the implementation of free elections, that we make absolutely sure that the elections are fair." A good start for that might be to make absolutely sure not to allow anyone associated with George Bush near them.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: dianavan
Date: 25 May 04 - 11:10 AM

Strollin Johnny - What does that mean? Talkin to the hand?

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: GUEST
Date: 25 May 04 - 11:39 AM

Oooh, good trap. If he responds, you're clearly NOT talking to the hand. I shall wait eagerly.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 25 May 04 - 11:51 AM

dianavan - you're clever so go figure. The hand's up now, for good. Rage on, I can't hear you.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: GUEST
Date: 25 May 04 - 11:53 AM

Dianavan - he heard you!