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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 22 Sep 09 - 04:34 PM Why the assumption that he is hiding anything? The more likely reality is that he is too smart and too busy to get drawn into ridiculous scraps of hot-aired, mindless rhetorical exchanges with no value or product to them. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Sep 09 - 08:38 AM "he could, possibly, be hiding that he is actually a prince of Krypton" I guess we'll just have to wonder, and the birthers will continue to raise a disturbance until the truth comes out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Alice Date: 23 Sep 09 - 09:44 AM "until the truth comes out" The TRUTH IS out. get a grip on reality |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: kendall Date: 24 Sep 09 - 07:34 AM No amount of belief can create a fact. We can take some comfort in the fact that these whackos are few in number. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Riginslinger Date: 24 Sep 09 - 10:26 AM "The TRUTH IS out." Okay, but all of the information is not out! |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Greg F. Date: 24 Sep 09 - 01:13 PM We can take some comfort in the fact that these whackos are few in number. Comfort? The wacko right wing isn't restricted to Birthers and their numbers in toto seem to be growing rather than shrinking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Alice Date: 24 Sep 09 - 04:03 PM All of the information is out. You are beating a dead horse to keep complaining about a non-issue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Riginslinger Date: 24 Sep 09 - 04:11 PM Alice - I'm not complaining. I'm just trying to explain why the issue is still alive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: GUEST,TIA Date: 24 Sep 09 - 05:10 PM It is still alive because FAUX News keeps talking about it. As long as people are questioning, the weak minded will believe there is doubt. If they were to talk endlessly about how the world might be flat, FOXbots would start believing that it is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Riginslinger Date: 24 Sep 09 - 09:23 PM There is doubt about what? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Rapparee Date: 24 Sep 09 - 10:24 PM My birth. Some say I was spawned and not born. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Gurney Date: 25 Sep 09 - 02:05 AM Just another red herring for the loonies, but why don't they claim the DATE of the certificate is false? 3 years earlier and he wouldn't have been a NBC, would he? >:-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Riginslinger Date: 25 Sep 09 - 07:31 AM An NBC? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Stringsinger Date: 25 Sep 09 - 02:09 PM The issue of Obama's birth is a public relations stunt by the likes of Frank Luntz and the G.O.P. noise machine. It's another way to try to trash Obama for political advantage. Fortunately, the Court sees this and refuses to hear crazy appeals. |
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Subject: BS: What is Obama's Name (still Soetero?) From: ichMael Date: 15 Apr 10 - 07:21 PM His name was Barry Soetero when he went to school in Indonesia, wasn't it? Aren't there school records out there showing that? So, when did he become Barack Hussein Obama? Found quite a few articles asking about this on the internet. One says: Barack Hussein Obama has multiple aliases: Barry Soetoro, Barry Dunham, Barry Obama, Barack Soetoro, Barack Dunham. When he registered with the American Bar Association, he listed none of these as is required by law. Unless he had his name legally changed to Barack Hussein Obama after his adoption, of which there has been no proof presented, Barry Soetoro is his real name and Barack Hussein Obama is an alias. So, what's his real name? Transferred to a previous thread on the subject. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: kendall Date: 16 Apr 10 - 07:50 AM And your reliable source is? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: kendall Date: 16 Apr 10 - 07:51 AM The republican Governor of Hawaii said he saw Obama's birth certificate with his own eyes. That's good enough for me. Birthers, crawl back under your slimy rocks! |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Richard Bridge Date: 16 Apr 10 - 08:25 AM Gosh, the first cuckoo of spring. On the 15th April. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Apr 10 - 08:45 PM I do think Barack was wise to drop the "Barry" and use his formal name. No offense to the late, great, Barry Finn. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 16 Apr 10 - 09:52 PM Hmm. I started a thread, it was closed, and now the post is here. And people are trashing, as usual. Since discussion of this was shut down so unceremoniously, I started putting together a webpage on the topic: What is Barack Barry Obama Soetoro's Legal Name? Under construction, but there are some references there. The final page will only have a half dozen or so facts. Get in, make your point, get out. And you don't just "drop" your legal name. It takes legal action to change it. If he didn't legally change his name back to Obama after his adoption by Soetoro, then all the legislation he's signing as Barack Obama is invalid. Someone could save me a few hours work by providing a clicky to Obama's legal name change document. Thanks in advance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Riginslinger Date: 16 Apr 10 - 10:16 PM I saw that too, Richard. It is interesting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: GUEST,LadyJean Date: 17 Apr 10 - 12:38 AM Do you know all the things you need a birth certificate for? To get a driver's license, they want to be sure you're who you say you are, so they want a birth certificate. They like them for college applications too, and when you get a passport, they want a birth certificate. I don't know from personal experience, but I'd bet they want one for the bar exam, and for when someone decides to run for public office. I heard Taiz speak on some talk show. She seemed to think once she got Obama out of the White House, there would be another election and Hilary Clinton would be president. Which means she doesn't know how the government works, and she is a world class dumb bunny. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 17 Apr 10 - 01:12 AM ichMael: Since discussion of this was shut down so unceremoniously, I started putting together a webpage on the topic: What is Barack Barry Obama Soetoro's Legal Name? And after that it will be something else, then something else, then something else. The content doesn't matter at all. It's just the need to have the noise in the air knocking Obama. It's inane. That link to "why the birthers will never go away" is priceless btw. also btw, NBC = Natural Born Citizen |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 17 Apr 10 - 06:24 PM Yes, LadyJean, I think you're correct on the one-term thing. By 2012 several states will have laws requiring the presentation of proof of citizenship to be placed on the state's ballot for U.S. President. Obama will most likely bow out, or his handlers will kill him in order to create sympathy for his Democratic replacement. Whatever happens, he sure won't be able to run again. Obama's been fast-tracked for high office all of his adult life (just like G.W. Bush and Al Gore, Jr.) The normal rules don't apply to them. I seriously doubt that Obama had to go through normal channels (present I.D.) to become a lawyer. And he received a diplomatic passport when he was elected at the state level, in Illinois. Once you have that, you can present it in lieu of all other forms of I.D. But the birth certificate thing will work itself out, in my opinion. I'm more concerned with the legislation he may be signing illegally with the name "Barack Obama." I'll do some more research on it next week and finish my webpage on the issue, but I doubt that anyone's seen proof of him changing his name from Barry Soetoro back to Barack Obama. And then he seems to have lied on his BAR application about previous names. The name issue is probably as big, and maybe easier to resolve, than the birth certificate issue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 17 Apr 10 - 07:55 PM Remember that UFO that went down in New Mexico some decades back? The bodies that were recovered? And how the Air Force tried so desperately to cover up the whole incident, claiming it was nothing but a weather balloon that had blown off course? I have it on good authoriy that Barack Obama (by whatever name) was cloned from alien tissue and grew up in Hangar 51 where his positronic brain was programmed by subspace transmissions from Phltzlfroomp, the fourth planet of Wolf 359. And what is his mission, you may ask? Rather than national and international implications, his real mission is of interplanetary importance. It has to do with the life-threatening shortage on the home planet of the Phltzlfroompians of orange Jell-O embedded with miniature marshmallows. Without this, all civilization would collapse in the same way that our economy, and then our civilzation, would collapse if we suddenly ran out of oil, gas, beer, and Big Macs simultaneously. Once the plans have reached fruition (so to speak) and Obama (by whatever name) has laid the groundwork, little green men will land, storm all gatherings of church luncheons put on by the the Lutheran Ladies' Guilds, and make off with all the Jell-O salads. If you think that's horrifying, the aliens are planning to assault the Southern Baptist Leadership Conference by replacing all the water in their baptismal fonts with Wild Turkey studded with real, live wild turkeys! And they think that's funny!! Oh, the horror of it all!! It is good that you tremble for the future of our planet! Don Firth P. S. And how do I know all this? Ever since my last trip to the dentist, whenever I heat up a cup of cold coffee in the microwave oven, I receive the latest bulletins on my new filling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: MARINER Date: 17 Apr 10 - 08:52 PM God's sake will some of you people catch on to yourselves?. Barack Obama is President of the United States and no matter what spurious reasons you bring up he will remain so until he is democratically voted out. I know it pisses many of you people off but try to get used to it. He is Black ,born in Hawaii and is president of the United States.I think some of you spend way too much time watching the despicable Fox "News" |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 17 Apr 10 - 09:17 PM Mariner referred to the despicable Fox "News" A leetle mistakie there. That's either "Faux News" or "Fox Noise". Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Alice Date: 17 Apr 10 - 10:39 PM TOP SECRET Obama name evidence |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 18 Apr 10 - 10:46 PM All right. Once again, I thank all of you for the abuse. Without it, I might forget that pages like the one below are needed to inform the general public. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona 'birther' bill = bad for Obama From: Rapparee Date: 20 Apr 10 - 11:17 PM Oh, bullshit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona 'birther' bill = bad for Obama From: ichMael Date: 20 Apr 10 - 11:20 PM Some say 10, some say 12 states will have this in place before 2012. Obama was "vetted" by Howard Dean. Can you believe that? Howard Dean and a couple of others on the Democratic National Committee said Obama was qualified to run. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona 'birther' bill = bad for Obama From: artbrooks Date: 20 Apr 10 - 11:23 PM Of course, President Obama has produced his birth certificate, and the so-called "long-form" certificate the birthers are looking for no longer exists in Hawaii. In states that do have a "long-form" certificate, it is issued by the hospital and isn't an official document. Hawaii's Secretary of State says that the one Mr. Obama has released is correct and valid. But none of that seems to make any difference to the idiot fringe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona 'birther' bill = bad for Obama From: mousethief Date: 20 Apr 10 - 11:25 PM The outpatients are out in force tonight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Arizona 'birther' bill = bad for Obama From: Amos Date: 20 Apr 10 - 11:29 PM IChmael: Your bilious-tinted glasses are warped. You should have the lenses corrected. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 21 Apr 10 - 08:37 PM Great. Another thread shut down and moved here. My initial post was something like: The so-called "birther bill" won initial approval from the House of Representatives on Monday, advancing legislation that would require presidential candidates to produce a birth certificate before they can make the ballot in Arizona. The legislation originated from a fringe group that believes President Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and therefore ineligible to be president. Rep. Judy Burges amended Senate Bill 1024 to include a requirement that Arizona's Secretary of State inspect a presidential candidate's birth certificate before that candidate could qualify for the ballot. Similar laws have been proposed in Oklahoma, Florida and Missouri. None have been signed into law. Democrats criticized Burges' amendment, saying presidential candidates already had to prove their citizenship before they can run for the office. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/04/19/20100419birther-bill-arizona-approved-by-house.html Obama's going to be a one-termer. By the time of the 2012 election, there will be 10-12 states with this in place. He'll bow out of the race. And it's great that this is being kicked off in Arizona, John McCain's home state. In the last election there was some question about McCain's cititzenship, since he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. So on this one, people won't be able to scream "racism." I need to contact my state reps and get my state moving on this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Apr 10 - 09:16 PM This thread should be re-titled coo coo's playground. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Alice Date: 21 Apr 10 - 09:39 PM Arizona - Social Impact Graph |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 21 Apr 10 - 10:31 PM I'll keep quiet on this if someone can prove to me that Obama's name is legally Barack Obama. And while you're at it, show me the proof that he was born where he claims. No circumstantial or hearsay stuff--proof. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Bobert Date: 21 Apr 10 - 10:51 PM Ahhhhh, who cares??? If the story line is "Is Barack actually Barack and was he really born on Mars?", hey, ya'll birthers just knock yerselves out... I mean, what's the difference??? Ya'll been paying attention the last 30 years??? I mean it's been one bozo after another and then along comes ____________, you know, the guy from Mars, and he is able to, ahhhhhhh, friggin' ***think*** and ya'll concerned about the constitutionality of havin' the ***thinkin' guy*** as the guy calling the shots??? Ya'll needs to get on some reality meds... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 21 Apr 10 - 11:02 PM If you can throw out that part of the constitution then you can throw out the part about freedom of speech. The citizenship qualification has to be adhered to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Alice Date: 21 Apr 10 - 11:35 PM The title of this thread sums it up. All the proof needed has already been provided by the state of Hawaii, but those who are crazy will continue to be crazy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: GUEST,TIA Date: 21 Apr 10 - 11:40 PM "I'll keep quiet on this if someone can prove to me that Obama's name is legally Barack Obama." Okay, shut the F&%$k up! |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Alice Date: 21 Apr 10 - 11:48 PM Hawaiian news, November, 2008 Obama's Birth Certificate Verified By State (click) HONOLULU - "There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said. Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate. "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said. Fukino said that no state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently from any other. Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the United States. Multiple lawsuits were filed to try and force Obama to provide proof of citizenship. Earlier Friday, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's U.S. citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: Joe Offer Date: 22 Apr 10 - 12:54 AM Of course, another tack this group has taken is to continue to insist that President Obama is a Muslim. A church acquaintance sent me the e-mail described in this Snopes article. The photograph shows Obama carrying a book titled The Post American World, by Fareed Zakaria, an Indian-born political journalist who has written regularly for Newsweek. The caption caption on the photograph:
Hussein Obama with a book in his hands. He's reading "The Post-American World" — it's a Muslim's view of a defeated America! The e-mail emphasizes that Zakaria is foreign-born (and says nothing of his American citizenship and his extensive and distinguished U.S. employment history), and refers to Zakaria and "Hussein Obama" as "fellow Muslims." By using the name "Hussein" and indirectly calling Obama a Muslim, the e-mail insidiously serves to support the hatred people have for the President. As I usually do when people send me deceptive e-mail forwards, I replied to all recipients, providing a link to the Snopes explanation. I told my acquaintance there was plenty of valid information on both sides of most arguments, so there was no need to send such trash. I got an indignant response from the sender and some recipients, saying that Snopes had a liberal bias, and that the sender was a man of good character, and how dare I send my rebuttal to all recipients. I'm really tired of the lies and the hatred. The opposition has valid points; but they prefer to oppose Obama with lies and innuendo and thinly-veiled bigotry instead of rational discussion. The "birther" thing it the most outrageous example of the thinly-veiled bigotry that has become a trademark of conservatives in the U.S. -Joe-
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Subject: RE: BS: A crazy birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 22 Apr 10 - 01:04 AM It's amazing the rationalizations that hatred will wrap itself in. Today one of my Facebook friends joined some Facebook group that says "Lord this year you took my favourite actor, my favourite sports star [etc] -- I just want to tell you that Obama is my favourite president." This from a church-going Christian woman. It's sickening. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Richard Bridge Date: 22 Apr 10 - 06:20 AM Well, it's a tautology. All "birthers" are crazy, and ichMael repeatedly shows that he is from another planet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 22 Apr 10 - 09:55 AM ichie says (for the four hundred and forty-ninth time, and no-one disagrees with him: The citizenship qualification has to be adhered to. (21 Apr 10 - 11:02 PM) Of course. And it has been. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: MMario Date: 22 Apr 10 - 10:26 AM I haven't heard anyone suggesting Obama is not his mother's son. As she was a citizen of the US; I do believe, that legally he is a NBC, regardless of where he was born unless he has officially REVOKED his claim to citizenshop at some point. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: frogprince Date: 22 Apr 10 - 01:46 PM ichMael: If Obama had been a white conservative, raised overseas as was Obama, would it have occured to you to question his citizenship if he so much as stated that he was born in the United States? Yes or no. If you did feel compelled to raise the question, would you still question his citizenship after he produced a birth certificate issued by his state, after several leading authorities from his state attested to examining the original certificate in the state records, and after announcements of his birth were found in the archives of two local newspapers? Yes or no. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 22 Apr 10 - 02:50 PM I am really surprised that none of the Loony Party have taken him to task for being named BHO II. I mean isn't that, like, an aristocrat thing to name people "The Second"? And isn't aristocratic practice anti-American? What was the Revolution about if not to free us from such overbearing condescension???? Yet here is one of them having snuck into the White House!! It's even on his BIRTH CERTIFICATE!! Wake Up, Merka!! A |
