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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 22 Apr 10 - 03:42 PM Ichmael: I believe you really could do with some professional assistance to find your center and restore your own heart to whole condition. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Alice Date: 22 Apr 10 - 04:11 PM from findlaw.com U.S. Citizenship by Birth or Through Parents click here |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 22 Apr 10 - 07:26 PM Gee. A lot of hysterical interest in this. A sore spot. I'll do what I can to address this point by point. First, I looked back to make sure, and I initially asked about Soetoro/Obama's name. That thread was shut down and my question was moved to this "Crazy Birther" thread. But I didn't ask about his birthplace or birth certificate, I asked about his legal name. So, the moderator showed bias and disdain in shutting the thread and moving the post. Then I started a thread about Arizona possibly demanding proof of eligibility for a presidential candidate to be on that state's presidential ballot. That thread was shut down and some of the responses were moved to this "Crazy Birther" thread. Let me go through the stuff directed at me...abuse, abuse, then someone said, "All the proof needed has already been provided by the state of Hawaii, but those who are crazy will continue to be crazy." Wishful thinking on Hawaii providing proof. They provided a story, not proof. Then TIA gives a link to a Certificate of Live Birth and says to shut the fuck up, not knowing that a COLB has as much weight in court as a roll of toilet paper. Less, in fact...more paper in the roll. Then Alice quotes from a story that says, "Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate." That's fine. So it was verified by the folks in Hawaii. Then he won that state legally. But proof of citizenship was not provided to the rest of the nation. And in light of the COLB that was foisted on the American public when this crisis erupted, one would have to question whether an "original" is really in "a vault" somewhere. And then we come to Joe Offer's post. Plays a religion card. Some story about Obama = Muslim, and then he sources from the bogus Snopes site. Joe says, "I'm really tired of the lies and the hatred. The opposition has valid points; but they prefer to oppose Obama with lies and innuendo and thinly-veiled bigotry instead of rational discussion. The "birther" thing it the most outrageous example of the thinly-veiled bigotry that has become a trademark of conservatives in the U.S." Pretty pathetic. Gotta try to turn the thing into a racial issue. Obama can't be defended on his outrageously anti-American actions, so his would-be defenders have to go on the offense. So lame, so lame. But then, Joe says, "I think I'll take the 'crazy" out of the thread title. I moved one or two of IchMael's birther threads to here since there already was an ongoing discussion of the subject. But in fairness to IchMael, maybe it would be better to have the thread title not quite so opinionated." Bravo for Joe. He whined about bigotry and then apparently a neuron sent a signal to his conscience and he realized that calling people "crazy" smacks of bigotry. Witness this in awe--an honest act of conscience displayed by a moderator. Let's see...denial, abuse, denial. Then MMario has an interesting point. "I haven't heard anyone suggesting Obama is not his mother's son. As she was a citizen of the US; I do believe, that legally he is a NBC, regardless of where he was born unless he has officially REVOKED his claim to citizenship at some point." That's why the name thing is so important. Soetoro/Obama may in fact be an Indonesian citizen. Maybe that's why he's spent a couple million bucks in the past couple of years hiding his records. Who knows? But remember his talk about transparency? Where's the transparency regarding his records? frogprince: "ichMael: If Obama had been a white conservative, raised overseas as was Obama, would it have occured to you to question his citizenship if he so much as stated that he was born in the United States? Yes or no. If you did feel compelled to raise the question, would you still question his citizenship after he produced a birth certificate issued by his state, after several leading authorities from his state attested to examining the original certificate in the state records, and after announcements of his birth were found in the archives of two local newspapers? Yes or no." White conservative... Yes, I would question it. I did question it. I can think of only a handful of national politicians more foul than Obama, and John McCain is one of them. I've questioned his citizenship for years. Even on election day, I gave the people at my precinct hell for fouling my ballot with the name of Panama Songbird McCain. Would I still question his citizenship after Hawaiian "officials" examined what they claimed was his birth certificate? Of course I'd question it. Obama's spent two million to hide evidence. At this point the matter needs serious, open, public investigation. Grand jury, no sealed testimony. Wind up with goofiness from Amos, then a link from Alice to a law site. Thanks for the link. Anyway, no one's given any evidence that he ever changed his name back to Barack Obama, and no one's given any evidence that he was born where he claims he was. I don't know why you folks don't pursue this. The man got into the white house without displaying proper I.D. You have to show I.D. to cash a check. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 22 Apr 10 - 07:40 PM ichMael said, in part: "Soetoro/Obama may in fact be an Indonesian citizen. Maybe that's why he's spent a couple million bucks in the past couple of years hiding his records. Who knows?" Though that's phrased as mild speculation, more or less written off with a shrug, it includes a straight-out assumption of fact within it: "he's spent a couple million bucks in the past couple of years hiding his records."
And later, he repeats: "Obama's spent two million to hide evidence." On what is that claim of fact based? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Alice Date: 22 Apr 10 - 07:57 PM ichmael, the only "hysterical interest" in this is coming from you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 22 Apr 10 - 09:57 PM So, what, you don't find the II suspicious on his COLB?? You think he managed surreptitiously to be born in Hawaii so he wouldn't have to hand out his birth certificate? I think you are bouncing off walls, Ich, and you have not provided one fact to disabuse me of that notion. What you have supplied are a bunch of innuendo, unsupported allegations without concrete referent to support them, and a lot of mouthy pretense. I suggest you take a couple years off from Mudcat and grow up a bit. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 22 Apr 10 - 10:08 PM Yeah, I do find the II on his COLB curious. Custom would dictate he be named Jr., if he's given the same name as his father. The enumeration is reserved for the following generations, beginning with III, right? Schoolmates of his say he used to talk about his daddy being a prince, so maybe there is something to your aristocracy theory. Good find. And it's incumbent on you, Amos, to provide proof of Obama's name. I've already demonstrated that there's good reason to believe he may still be named Barry Soetoro--can't find any evidence to the contrary. Pleas prove otherwise. And if you want, settle the birth issue, too. The nation would be grateful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 22 Apr 10 - 10:47 PM Michael: Your web pages make it vividly clear to me you are a paranoid loser with so little grasp on real life that you have to run around being brilliantly inarticulate about wild theories of conspiracy and evil-doing where there is none. I suggest you take the example of your fellow pseudo-Texan and retire from public life. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: GUEST,TIA Date: 23 Apr 10 - 01:43 AM Okay, so this time I will spell it out. Shut the fuck up. There is no "evidence" that you will accept is there really? Be honest douchebag. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 25 Apr 10 - 08:08 PM Okay, so this time I will spell it out. Shut the fuck up. There is no "evidence" that you will accept is there really? Be honest douchebag. Ah, yes. The famous Mudcat cordiality. Are you asking me to shut the fuck up about THIS? The evidence I will accept is a birth certificate. Not an internet scan of a falsified COLB, followed by a story of someone who saw the real thing locked away in a vault. YOU try that one the next time they ask you for I.D. Your web pages make it vividly clear to me you are a paranoid loser with so little grasp on real life that you have to run around being brilliantly inarticulate about wild theories of conspiracy and evil-doing where there is none. I suggest you take the example of your fellow pseudo-Texan and retire from public life. Well, thanks for the concern, Amos, but it's been my experience that you're not a loser unless you quit. So when I come across a forum where people have quit debating and rely on name-calling to try and drive off unpopular ideas, what am I to think of those folks? I think a stronger case could be made that YOU are the loser, but I'd never try to make that case. I don't think you've quit fighting, I just think you're fighting the wrong opponents. Bush and Obama serve the same masters. I know it's hard to admit that you've invested a lifetime in backing a fallacy, but I guess that's life's big test, isn't it--how you face up to something like that? Sorry you don't like the way I explain the different little facets of the big deception, but if you think the stuff I put together for this place is rough, you should see what I do to the neo-cons. Democrats aren't destroying the Republican party, it's being done by people like me. We're not at all happy with how the neo-cons have hijacked the "conservative" movement. Burn the party to the ground and start over. And you Democrats need to do the same because the same people own both parties. Obama's working for Goldman Sachs, same as Bush did. And let's see...oh, my apologies, Uncle DaveO, I missed your post. I say Obama spent "a couple of million dollars" to hide his documents because of various reports I've read. Here's one from the Canada Free Press, dated yesterday. Excellent article. Obama's been busted on the citizenship thing on SO many fronts now. The only thing keeping him in federal office is the corrupt federal court system: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22221 |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 25 Apr 10 - 09:30 PM The Canada Free Press is one of the scummier rags of the wing-nut conspiracy-theory axis. Hardly a reliable source of information, which puts in right up icky Michael's alley. Not quite up to the standards of The National Enquirer. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 25 Apr 10 - 09:43 PM ichMael said, in part: I say Obama spent "a couple of million dollars" to hide his documents because of various reports I've read. Here's one from the Canada Free Press, dated yesterday. (The date of the linked article was April 24, but ichMael's assertion that the "couple million dollars" was "because of various reports I've read" was posted at least a week or so ago. So his assertion can't be based on his linked article, and all it means is that "I've read it somewhere".) The article's assertions on a number of subjects, including this, seem to be essentially "lots of people know", "Congress is aware", etc. That's not even hearsay; it's a vague claim that somebody knows something, based on nothing concrete. "Congress" includes about six hundred individuals, I believe, some of whom are knowledgeable, some of whom are ignorant, some of whom are brilliant, some of whom are foolish. IchMael doesn't identify EVEN ONE of those Senators or Representatives as "knowing" or "being aware" of the alleged couple million dollars, much less the credibility of such an individual's "knowledge". Then there is a purported indirect quote in the article (that's at least closer to factual background) from ONE, count-em-one, Supreme Court Justice, of a claim that it takes TWO US Citizen parents to confer natural born citizenship to their child. But the Supreme Court speaks through its rulings, not through the beliefs (if that attribution is accurate) of one of its members, or even all of its members not speaking in an official ruling in an actual case in controversy. You may choose to accept a belief on this sort of vague rumor-mongering, ichMael, but that article, at least, does not rise to the dignity of evidence. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 25 Apr 10 - 09:46 PM Proof that the COLB (which IS a birth certificate for God's sake) is phony? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 25 Apr 10 - 09:54 PM Your fingers don't seem to be broken, Dave, so why don't you do some searching if this is such a consuming concern? The last figure I read on Obama's outlays was $1.8 million, most of it to the Perkins, Coie Law firm. Court costs arising from the lawyers blocking public access to Obama's birth and school records. Then, as of yesterday, it reached "a couple of million." It was inevitable. And now I can say "he's spent more than two million dollars." As far as both of Soetoro/Obama's parents being U.S. citizens, his dad was a British citizen. At the time of Soetoro/Obama's birth, Kenya was still British real estate. So only ONE of Obama's parents was an American. Do you want me to do the legwork on that for you, too? You know the guy's a phony. The federal courts keep shooting down the lawsuits against him because, well...he's a federal employee. At least the S.O.B. can't go to Arizona now. They require proof of citizenship. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Ebbie Date: 25 Apr 10 - 10:02 PM By golly, ichMichael is right! I never saw the birth certificates of George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, Dwight Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Harry Truman, OR Franklin Roosevelt. Something is seriously not kosher. I am just about positive that it says in the US Constitution or the Bill of Rights and maybe even in the Declaration of Independence that we, the people, have not only the right but the responsibility to see any President's birth certificate. What is wrong with us? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 25 Apr 10 - 10:24 PM It appears that Hawaii was chosen as Obama's point of entry into the U.S. because of its remote location and slipshod record keeping. This paid off when Howard Dean of the Democratic National Committee (the man responsible for vetting Obama), was able to declare that Obama was legally qualified to run for president...in Hawaii. lol Dean's going down too, when they prosecute. Read the article. Look at how dodgy the wording of the certifications sent out to the 50 states is. Hawaii's is worded differently. I wouldn't want to be Howard Dean right now for all the crack cocaine in the white house wine cellar. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 25 Apr 10 - 10:25 PM I ask again: proof that the birth cert isn't valid? You know better than the Hawaiian state officials? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 25 Apr 10 - 10:43 PM Again I point out that the Canada Free Press is nothing but a conspiracy-theory rag. It's not unlike icky Michael using his own web sites to back up what he says. I don't think that Aristotle, the first philosopher to codify and formalize logic, would find that quite acceptable. Dump it back in the septic tank where it belongs, ickyMickey. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 25 Apr 10 - 10:51 PM Oh, you want me to PROVE, it. Didn't understand the "proof" request. Let's see...googled hawaiian+colb and looked at the pieces there. Obama's half sister was born in Indonesia and has a Hawaiian Certificate Of Live Birth. Gee, how's that possible? The COLB is supposed to PROVE that Soetoro/Obama was born in Hawaii. Googled colb not birth certificateand found more evidence the thing is faked. Googled Is a colb a birth certificateand got a bunch of stuff, including the article below: "My name is Chanise Foxx. I work at a office supply store in Kenwood, IL. After nearly 3 years of silence and death threats to me and my family to stay quiet, I am compelled to come forward and tell the world my secret. "I helped Obama campaign staffer Divorah Adler create a fake birth certificate for use in the famous Fact Check story to prove the world of Obama's birth in the 2008 election. Divorah approached me in early 2007 and held onto the birth certificate until she released it in August 2008. "As I've been making fake IDs part-time for local college students for about eight years now, faking a birth certificate was actually quite easy. Our first step was to get our hands on someone else's birth certificate from Hawaii. We then created the stationary to match.... http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/obama-campaign-employee-admits-making-fake-birth-certificate-colb-should-fbi-interview-and Hadn't seen that one before. lol. I hope she got paid more for Obama's certificate than she did for a fake I.D. The whole WORLD knows he was born in Kenya. His family SAW him pop out of the womb in a delivery room in Mombasa. It slays me how some people think it's "racist" to hold this guy accountable. He's a huckster. He's a criminal. He violated the constitution. Screw him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 25 Apr 10 - 10:59 PM Clearly the whole WORLD doesn't know. Your sites prove nothing except the existence of whackjobs. Anybody can say "I faked the birth certificate." That doesn't even come close to proof. Your "COLB is not a birth certificate" all partisan sites. Consider the two noun phrases: Birth Certificate Certificate of Birth Explain how they're not the same thing. Explain how adding "Live" to the second means they're not the same. Absolutely nothing would convince you he's a natural citizen. Your mind is closed. We have the smoking birth certificate but that's not enough for birthers. Because it's not really the issue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 25 Apr 10 - 11:02 PM Well, maybe you're smoking something in the certificates, but that's not the point. Tell me, how did Obama's half-sister, who was born in Indonesia, obtain a Certificate Of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii? I'll sign off now so I don't have to watch the neural meltdown. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 25 Apr 10 - 11:45 PM Hardly a meltodown. Your proof that she was born in Indonesia is probably about as convincing as your proof that he was born in Africa. The problem is that all of the "proof" is really after the fact. Some people decided that Obama wasn't a real American, and then other people stepped up to "prove" it. When disproof was provided, the goalposts were shifted. From "he won't show us his birth certificate" it became "that's not a real birth certificate." At this point they won't accept ANYTHING as a real certificate; the game is really over. There is absolutely no evidence that will convince a birther that Obama is a natural citizen. It's not a matter of proof and facts any more; it's unshakeable faith. There is an odd phenomenon where people who believe very strongly in something, when it is disproven, rather than ceasing to believe it, redefine what it was they believe. The classic case is the Jehovah's Witnesses and their various dates for Christ returning. Finally, well he didn't return to earth but something happened in heaven and that's what the prophecy was [i]really[/i] referring to. There are myriad others. I think it was Lord Acton who said, "A man who has bought a theory will fight a vigorous rearguard action against the facts." You can throw facts at a birther all day. They just bounce off. I notice, by the way, that you didn't answer my question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Ebbie Date: 26 Apr 10 - 01:32 AM "...all the crack cocaine in the white house wine cellar..." You really are a nasty piece of work, aren't you. the only thing in your favor is your age. There is a chance that you will grow up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 26 Apr 10 - 03:32 PM The fact that Obama's--and his sister's--mother was an American citizen (born in Kansas), makes both of them American citizens. No matter where in the world they were born. Or is icky Mickey trying to claim that their mother was born on Mars? A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 26 Apr 10 - 04:36 PM I suspect in this case it is better off being easted than being accepted as operational somewhere. There's a village in Texas begging for i6ts idiot back. Dang new fangled internet, anyway, goes and changes EV'YTHANG! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Greg F. Date: 26 Apr 10 - 05:33 PM A mind is a terrible thing to waste Always assuming Itchy has one in the first instance, wch, in light of his posting history, is open to debate.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Richard Bridge Date: 26 Apr 10 - 06:40 PM I am fascinated by the probably barking little Foxx (why is it that only nutters start by waying "my name is...? - it's as much of a giveaway as green ink and a broad-nbbed fountain pen) allegedly creating "stationary". It gives a whole new slant to Newtonian mechanics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 26 Apr 10 - 07:04 PM I think too many of us (myself included) have been been wasting our indignation and disdain on ichy. I've personally come to the conclusion that ichy doesn't even believe the sensational stuff he posts. He's industriously, consciously, and willfully engaged in spreading false rumors, on the throw-the-mud-on-the wall-and-some-of-it-will-stick principle. (The word "mud" there being a euphemism, of course.) If that is the fact (and I think it is), we're not only wasting our breath but we're playing his game by trying to apply reason to his utterances. I'm done doing that. Others may disagree. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 26 Apr 10 - 07:53 PM Michael: It's not that we are trying to fend off unpopular ideas. Just unsubstantiated, illogical, hysterical or paranoid ideas with a minimal probability of having much substance behind them. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Greg F. Date: 26 Apr 10 - 08:17 PM t's not that we are trying to fend off unpopular ideas. Just unsubstantiated, illogical, hysterical or paranoid ideas with a minimal probability of having much substance behind them. DougR take note. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 26 Apr 10 - 08:25 PM Okay, go down the list since last time... Mousethief shoots himself in all three feet yet again. Maya Soetoro. Look it up on wikipedia. Born in Indonesia. Then: The problem is that all of the "proof" is really after the fact. Well, duh. We're not talking about pre-crime here. The proof against Nixon came after the fact. Meltdown, as predicted. Still saying I haven't answered his questions, and I couldn't tell anyone what the question is if my life depended on it. Let me unstick my feet from this puddle and move on. Ebbie: "...all the crack cocaine in the white house wine cellar..." You really are a nasty piece of work, aren't you. the only thing in your favor is your age. There is a chance that you will grow up. Hey, I didn't make Barry Soetoro/Obama have crack-fueled homosex in a limo with Larry Sinclair. Read all about it on the internet. But in fairness, G.W. Bush had his own proclivities in that direction. Victor Ashe. I think they went through the sex-in-the-coffin initiation at Yale, and they've been kind of joined at the hip, so to speak, ever since. Then a bunch of generalized farking. A mudcat specialty. Bark + fart. Can't tell which end the noise is coming from. I don't really care where Obama was born. A moderator moved my question about Obama's name to this thread. I just don't want to have to undo illegally signed legislation in the future. If the guy's name is Soetoro, then that's how he needs to sign bills. This other stuff--about the birth certificate--has never really interested me before now, but I must say that the farkers at mudcat have made me a convert. The telling thing about the situation is Obama's spending so much money to hide his records. He's a lawyer, he knows about the "appearance of impropriety." That's a big part of determining guilt--how did the accused behave? And he's failed that test. I was more of a "namer," but now I guess I'm a bona fide "birther." Nothing short of public display of his actual birth certificate will answer the questions now. Oh, and the lady at Kinko's or wherever that was--take a lesson from her. She named names to the best of her ability and might have saved her life in the process. Clinton, the Bushes...you all know the stories about the deaths of those around them. The smartest thing a person with dangerous knowledge about such people can do is go public. No need to kill the whistleblower once they've blown the whistle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 26 Apr 10 - 10:28 PM Well, if he's frothing at the mouth here on Mudcat, at least it keeps him off the streets. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 26 Apr 10 - 10:28 PM This IS a fascinating topic. Working on an anti-neocon page tonight, but you folks got me sidetracked. Looks like the birth certificate thing is heating up. Ex-governor of Illinois Rod Blagojevich is on trial. He wouldn't let Obama name his own successor to the U.S. Senate seat he was vacating as he moved to the white house, so he was forced out of the governorship on "ethics" charges. Now he's on trial, and he's asked that Obama be called as a witness. There's a good chance the judge will allow it, because Obama's testimony is crucial. Once on the stand, Obama would have to answer questions to establish his identity--name, place of birth, and so on. Oh, boy. This could be good. Lots of pages you can google up on this. And then there's Rev. James David Manning. His site says this: "Hon. James David Manning says Barack Hussein "The Long Legged Mack Daddy" Obama was a C.I.A operative who used Columbia University as a cover to go to Pakistan in 1981 when the CIA and the Mujahideen worked together against the Soviet Invasion. Obama supplied arms, logistics, and money using his Muslim background." Manning is saying that Obama spent his Columbia years hustling arms, working for the CIA. Says he's going to hold an internet trial in May, present proof. Love it. This would explain why Obama applied for a scholarship as a foreign student--part of his CIA cover. If what Manning says is true, then I'd have to give Obama more credit than I have been for intelligence. Spy work would require some smarts. It would also explain why world leaders sneer at him--they know that he's just another CIA soldier. Look at the clip at the link below for details: http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=6142 And then there's the upcoming march on Washington. Could be a million people surrounding the white house, holding up their birth certificates: MARCH ON WASHINGTON At the Ellipse – President's Park South 17th St & Constitution Ave, NW DATE: SATURDAY, MAY 29, 2010 TIME: 12:00 NOON – 4:00 P.M. BARACK OBAMA IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DUE TO THE FOLLOWING: http://obamacrimes.com/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 26 Apr 10 - 10:37 PM I have one birth certificate that has my footprints on it. And another one I got at the time I was adopted. What about y'all? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 26 Apr 10 - 10:42 PM Michael, go find a safe, quiet place and enjoy the scenery in peace and safety for a few weeks. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 26 Apr 10 - 11:37 PM Found a site with a written transcription of the Manning video: http://www.theodoresworld.net/archives/2010/03/obama_and_columbia_university.html Some excerpts: Obama was recruited in 1980 by the CIA while a student at Occidental College in Los Angeles, California. The CIA needed Muslims who were fluent in Farsi and other Islamic customs and understandings.... He excelled at Harvard, became the Editor of the Law Review. Where upon his graduation he could have become a Supreme Court clerk or a multi-million dollar salary would have been offered to him at America's best law firms, except for one thing...he did not have a legitimate background as a US Citizen or as a student from Occidental or Columbia. A diligent investigation by a personnel agency of a major law firm would have revealed he was not a US citizen. And how could a "C" student go from Occidental College to America's fifth most difficult school to enter, into Columbia University, and then from there three years later enter into the world's most difficult lawschool, Harvard?... So what does a former CIA operative do when they cannot pass a personnel test? Obama becomes a "Community Organizer" on the South side of Chicago, where no background check is needed. His marriage to Michelle Robinson, a lawyer and connected Chicago politician, although a convenient marriage, now gives him citizenship and the beginning of a solid background. He takes a job at the same law firm where Michelle becomes his trainer and supervisor, a law firm that is heavily influenced by small time criminal, Tony Rezko. Michelle Robinson controls the personnel records, and his hiring takes place without a hitch.... And so on. There's another video on the page too, about witnesses Manning plans to call. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: frogprince Date: 26 Apr 10 - 11:46 PM Those two alleged daughters they have in tow are really dwarf operatives. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 26 Apr 10 - 11:49 PM It must be true. I found it on the Internet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 27 Apr 10 - 01:17 AM I think this will make everything clear: "Wibble wibble." Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 30 Apr 10 - 12:39 AM A brand new, in-depth investigation into the background of Barack Obama may spell big trouble ahead regarding the issue of Presidential eligibility. The investigation was conducted by Northeast Intelligence Network--a team of experienced, professional private investigators whose services have been utilized by Fortune-500 companies. The director, Douglas J. Hagmann, is a 23-year veteran in high-level investigations and is a member of the International Counter-Terrorism Officers Association. Hagmann's investigation into the background and Constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama to serve as President of the United States is extensive and thorough. His conclusions are stunning. http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d28-New-investigation-into-Obama-background-spells-trouble-ahead Dozens of court cases concerning Obama's eligibility have been denied by the federal courts, so from May 14 to May 19, 2010, Rev. James David Manning, of Harlem, will conduct a Sedition and Treason Trial of Barack ( T-minus fifteen days. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 30 Apr 10 - 01:06 AM I believe you believe this shit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 30 Apr 10 - 01:36 AM All hard-charging conspiracy theorists are pathological. It starts with low self-esteem, then, when they embracing some off-the-wall idea, they can feel superior to everyone else because "they know what's really going on," but nobody else does. "All those stupid people out there! They don't believe me. But I know!" They build up an elaborate framework of disconnected bits out of which they draw significances that aren't really there to support their idea. And despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, they hang onto their Rube Goldberg belief like grim death. Their ego depends on it. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 30 Apr 10 - 01:50 AM P.S. a sitting president cannot be tried in court, only in Congress, after a successful impeachment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 30 Apr 10 - 11:07 PM T-Minus 14 days and counting. Rev. Manning will address the following in the trial for Treason and Sedition of Barry Soetoro, AKA Barack Obama (May 14-19): * Obama was recruited in 1980 by the CIA while a student at Occidental College in Los Angeles, California. * The CIA then later enlisted Columbia University to extend its foreign student program to Barack Hussein Obama that he might enroll in the universities around Karachi and in Pakistan, and also the Patrice Lamumba school in Moscow. * Obama became the lead agent in the arms and money supply to the struggling Taliban army against the Soviet war machine. (That's nice. He was a gunrunner for Osama bin Laden) * How could a "C" student go from Occidental College to America's fifth most difficult school to enter, into Columbia University, and then from there three years later enter into the world's most difficult lawschool, Harvard? * So what does a former CIA operative do when they cannot pass a personnel background check? Obama becomes a "Community Organizer" on the South side of Chicago, where no background check is needed. * When 400 people who were on the Columbia campus during the Obama years of 1980 to 1984--students, nurses, librarians, custodians, shopkeepers, people in the environment, in their investigation--not one of the 400 could remember the personable and outgoing Obama. Action will most likely be needed to divert attention from the trial, so expect your orders to attack the Tea Party soon, comrades. Perhaps as early as tomorrow, May Day, international day of the proletariat. CIA commissar Obama will issue your orders as soon as he receives them from the People's Bank of Goldman Sachs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: LadyJean Date: 01 May 10 - 12:30 AM Where in the hell did Obama learn Farsi? Farsi is spoken in Iran and Afghanistan. It is NOT spoken in most Muslim countries, certainly not Kenya or Indonesia. I probably speak more Farsi than president Obama. I know two words. One of them is pronounce ann, and it is an excellent word to describe birthers' opinions, a load of bull ann! What did Barack Obama use to identify himself when he applied for his first driver's license? His first passport? Don't tell me Howard Dean, who would have been practicing medicine in Vermont then, provided him with a fake, or that somebody at Kinkos made him a phony certificate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 01 May 10 - 12:32 AM A birther in the court A birther in the court Hine-hone the fruitcake zone A birther in the court. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 01 May 10 - 12:36 AM Michael: Either due to extreme youth or brain damage or bad genes, you have not yet developed the ability to tell the difference between data, opinion, and rampant bullshit. Knock off this stupid histrionic bullshit. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 01 May 10 - 02:02 AM Too many Robert Ludlum novels. They're fiction, Michael. Fiction. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 01 May 10 - 06:08 PM It's a fairly slow day here at the Skunk Works, so just for the helluvit, I did a little google-surfing. The truth is out there, but there is also more bullshit to be found than can possibly be produced by all the combined feed-lots on the inner planets of a dozen solar systems. Among other things, one must consider the veracity of the sources and examine the motivations behind the purveyors of all these web sites. The name on my birth certificate reads "Donald Richard Firth." When I was a wee sprat, my parents, sisters, and playmates usually called me "Donnie." At about the age of twelve or thirteen, I insisted that the "Donnie" diminutive be dropped and that I be called "Don." In one of my geometry classes at Roosevelt High School, I had a weak-eyed teacher who was slightly dyslexic, and after checking the class roster and mis-reading my last name (Firth, a Scottish place name inherited from my great-grandfather who came to the Pacific Northwest in 1851 with the Hudson's Bay Company), he would address me as "Mr. Faith." Never did get it right. I often sign my name "Donald R. Firth," not spelling out my middle name. On one occasion, however, I was working full-time as an annoucer at one radio station, where I used the name "Don Firth." For two weeks, if filled in for an annoucer friend of mine who worked at another station while he took a vacation. It would not go down well at my full-time job for me to be working at another station as well, so—my father's name was Robert, so with that, and my middle name, I adopted the pseudonym "Dick Robertson" when I filled in for my friend. So—at different times during my life, I've gone variously by Donnie Don Donald R. Dick Richard Robertson Faith Firth. WHO AM I REALLY!?? I am not particularly undone by the idea that Barack Obama might have prefered being called "Barry" (as short for "Barack") or taking his new stepfather's name(s) when his mother remarried and later decided to resume using the name he had been given originally. Theodore Roosevelt was often called "Teddy" (he even had a stuffed animal named after him) and Ronald Reagan was often called "Ronnie." William Jefferson Clinton? "Bill." George W. Bush was frequently called— Well, maybe we'd better not go there! I do not really believe that "ichMael" is the name that appears on the OPer's birth certificate. More than likely, his given name is "Michael," since he's using what is obviously an anagram of "Michael." I believe he might be trying to allude to Ishmael, son of Abraham and Sarah's handmaiden, Hagar. Ishmael became an outcast when Sarah bore Isaac, whose descendants became the Israelites. Ishmael is said to have wandered off to become a prophet on his own hook, some say founding the precursors of Islam, and later on, went on to tell of his ill-fated whaling venture with Captain Ahab. I think ichMael probably enjoys thinking of himself as a prophetic outcast. It fits the psychological profile of all conspiracy theory buffs. Anyway, I don't really give a rat's ass what Barry Barack Soetoro Dunham Hussein Obama Bill Brewer Jan Stewer Peter Gurney Peter Davey Dan'l Whiddon Harry Hawk old Uncle Tom Cobleigh and all chooses to call himself. #### So—just who is this James David Manning? The "Reverend" James David Manning first came to public attention in the 2008 presidential election after ATLAH (an organization cobble together by Manning for the purpose of running all whites out of Harlem and returning it God's chosen people, blacks. (Sound a litle racist, perhaps?) He posted several "sermons" on YouTube, harshly critical of Democratic candidate Barack Obama. Among other accusations, he calls Obama a "good House Negro," and in another, he refers to him as "trash" because of his mixed race (!). He accuses Obama of "pimping white women," and calls him an "emissary of the devil." He claims that Obama "has the cadence of an Islamic person", and called Obama's mother "trash" for becoming pregnant by a black man "out of wedlock." By the way, the "Reverend" James David Manning is himself African-American. According to Manning, "It is common knowledge that African men, coming from the continent of Africa—especially for the first time—do diligently seek out white women to have sexual intercourse with. Generally the most noble of white society choose not to intercourse sexually with these men. So it's usually the trashier ones who make their determinations that they're going to have sex." Manning defended his "sermons" in an interview on Fox News, saying that "we also have to talk about his character." He compared Oprah Winfrey, who supported Obama's campaign, with "The Whore of Babylon," and the Antichrist. The sermons drew the attention of the Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which filed a complaint with the Internal Revenue Service objecting to alleged violations of laws granting tax-free status to churches on condition that they refrain from certain forms of political activity. Manning continued his criticisms of Obama after the election, producing a video in summer 2009 that predicts that there will be a white backlash against Obama, complete with riots. He also attended many of the first "birther" events. In an interview with an Israeli radio station, Manning asserted that Obama had chosen to befriend Muslims instead of Jews. On May 14–19, 2010 he plans to hold treason trials regarding Obama, claiming to prove that he was a CIA agent during the early 1980s when he was a student at Columbia University, and that his Muslim and Marxist views combined with his classified CIA knowledge are allowing him to hold the United States hostage while he works to undermine it out of hatred for it. Jus' curious: Just where is he planning to hold these treason trials anyway? Manning? I think what we have here is a Chihuahua yapping at a lion. (aka) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Alice Date: 01 May 10 - 06:14 PM Yes, and who really was this guy who called himself Mark Twain? I mean, really? |
