BS: I am not perfect after all

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans canine attributes
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 04:50 AM

As for small kestrels. Don't get me started. ....   







I am now going to try to understand the philosophy of gay hatred.   Ok. Done it.   Oh SHIT its worse than I expected.

Right. Onto demeaning people for not sharing a particular Creed.   Nope, that's just as bad.

Right. Onto Goofus.   I give up. I don't have enough rocket fuel to orbit his planet. Mind you, compared to the other two he seems happy with his lot.



I like light hearted threads. I still get an excuse to shout a lot.   What's better, I don't have to put up with such crap in the real world. I know and meet with many many people in my world and rarely do any have the bad manners to spout the drivel we see here, especially when it is trying to accuse me of intolerance.   Reading Akenaton trying to lecture me.... Little Hawk, your comments are well put but I don't think this is two sides of the same coin.   In fact your decision to join in the shit slinging is commendable. I find it cathartic in fact.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 10:56 AM

I thought you would. ;-)

Well, I've actually had phone conversations with Gfs, know the man in real life to some extent, and he's a very bright, reasonable person...very talented musician...and I have no reason to believe he hates gays in the least. I think he feels that politicians are using gay issues to their own advantage these days for quite cynical reasons, and I think the same. We live in a gay-obsessed era. It's much ado about almost nothing, in my opinion. Gays are something I don't worry about at all, in themselves, I see them the same as I see other people (judge them strictly on their individual behaviour TO others), but I do worry some about how various gay-related issues are being used to push people's buttons, divide people against one another, and drive political agendas and snag votes at election time. Going by what Gfs has said in a few hundred posts on the subject, I think that's what concerns him too.

I doubt that being gay has much to do with genetic programming. I think it probably has more to do with subtle psychological factors based on early childhood experiences than anything else. Whether it is innate to a person's makeup or not from the beginning, though, I can't say for sure. In any case, I have no particular objection to it. Why would I? It doesn't threaten my life in any way.

Let's put it this way: if you had a society where gay relationships or bisexuality were considered "the norm", then I think you'd find that most people would freely engage in gay relationships and bisexuality without thinking to question it at all....and that would have nothing to do with genetic programming. It would have to do with culture. If people think of something as "normal", then they will mostly choose to do it without a second thought. If they think of it as "abnormal", they will flinch away from it in most cases (unless they are in a very rebellious state of mind).

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 11:42 AM

No sir you are certainly not perfect.

I have not and do not ridicule "people" for not sharing my beliefs. I have rubbed a few noses in their own ridicule and quoted famous scientists and atheists in doing so. This thread makes me wish that Ian Mather had been trained by a famous greyhound breeder "Friday's Mather" would be a good and suitable name for him but I think that "Droopy's Musket" might be better.

If Doctor Mather had been raised as racing dog, imagine how polite and demure he would be. But of course most of us would settle for him being as housebroken as his dog.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans dog track etiquette
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 12:48 PM

Little Hawk. I have not had the pleasure of Goofus on the phone so I can only weigh his opinions on the basis of his writing. Gay obsession may be widespread but in Victorian London, a night out with the wife could include paying to stare at the lunatics in Bedlam. Any obsession with lifestyle choice says more about the person with the obsession rather than the subject matter.

Sailor Jack. Either someone is posting in your name or your statement above is, to use your new found word, bollocks. You may have quoted a few "famous atheists" but then show your ignorance by making a mental leap connecting those people with anybody who does not share your delusion. I call it a delusion rather than a belief because you prove time and time again to be beyond polite debate.

I don't need to question your stance, just ask people to read your posts. That way we can skip to the name calling and laughing at you rather than with you.

Anyway, isn't it about time you started another thread lumping all rational people as militant atheists ? We haven't had one for a while. In the meantime, this is a thread about earwax as I recall. Far more interesting than the Carolina crackpot.

Oh, by the way. Ian Mather. Ian Mather. Ian Mather. Satisfied?

Seaman Stains, Seaman Stains Seaman Stains. So am I.

Zzzzzzzzzzz

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 01:51 PM

Well, when I was speaking of a gay-obsessed era, what I meant was this: That the politicians, the news media, and the entertainment media are obsessed with gay issues at the present time. It's in style to obsess about gay issues right now. In awhile it'll be something else.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans media interest
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 02:01 PM

Exactly. But who are they pandering to?

Who are they relying on to ensure they sell their stories to? Gay issues are only issues because Murdoch & co prey on people's fears and inbuilt mistrust of something different.

It'll be banjo players next, mark my words.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 02:22 PM

LOL!!! And rightly so! Banjo players are a scourge that MUST be driven from our midst forthwith!

"Who are they relying on to ensure they sell their stories to?"

Whoever is foolish enough to get sucked in.

"Gay issues are only issues because Murdoch & co prey on people's fears..."

Correct. The only thing is, I think the more aggressive spokesmen on both sides of the issue are playing on people's fears...but from diametrically opposite positions. That tends to happen with most volative issues in this world. The cranks, scaremongers, and demagogues get the most airtime by playing on people's fears, hurling dreadful accusations, and generally raising just as much hell about it as they possibly can. Meanwhile, the average human being is just trying to live his life in peace.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: olddude
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 03:59 PM

I can be a perfect asshole when I put my mind to it .. so i guess I am perfect

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans imperfection
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 05:03 PM

Join the club

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 12:37 AM

Musket: "Goofus thinks preference can be"cured." That is disgusting."

'Cured'??..Those were words stuffed into my posts by Don....but I WILL say, that preferences can be changed.

Musket: "Right. Onto Goofus.   I give up. I don't have enough rocket fuel to orbit his planet."

It's not the fuel, but you can't be off on a tangent, and expect to orbit.

Little Hawk: "I doubt that being gay has much to do with genetic programming. I think it probably has more to do with subtle psychological factors based on early childhood experiences than anything else."

Ditto!....At least there is scientific proof to back that up! The other notions are merely a cross between speculation and wishful thinking....and backed by agendas, politically driven and funded... and that's a fact!

Little Hawk: "Well, I've actually had phone conversations with Gfs, know the man in real life to some extent, and he's a very bright, reasonable person...very talented musician...and I have no reason to believe he hates gays in the least. I think he feels that politicians are using gay issues to their own advantage these days for quite cynical reasons, and I think the same. We live in a gay-obsessed era. It's much ado about almost nothing, in my opinion. Gays are something I don't worry about at all, in themselves, I see them the same as I see other people (judge them strictly on their individual behaviour TO others), but I do worry some about how various gay-related issues are being used to push people's buttons, divide people against one another, and drive political agendas and snag votes at election time. Going by what GfS has said in a few hundred posts on the subject, I think that's what concerns him too."

'Cynical reasons'...let me put a couple forth for you....if a religion, any of them, disapprove of homosexuality, for reasons that have NOTHING to do with hatred or bigotry, that said religion, will have open season, on people accusing them of being hateful bigots, therefore belittling that said religion...who by their nature, are 'in competition' with a global government, whose ambition is to reign supreme.
This too, will pass...............................but not after a lot more needless bloodshed, chaos and persecution, that we thought we had evolved past!
........and the sad thing about it is, the very people promoting their 'equality' also deny them medical/psychological help. Now that ain't TOO equal is it?...after all, you can't treat something that the politicians have unilaterally decided ain't there, now can you?..but what the hell, the IRS is going to administer our 'healthcare', too...Great job, boys and girls!!!
The 'so-called liberal' stooges seem to be walking backwards toward the goal they THINK they are against!.. But then, the government always knows best, don't they?

Hey Little Hawk, Thanks for the flowers....
I think I'm going to grab a bite..I'm hungry...where in the hell did I put my GMO food??.....Shit, can't find it..box was empty..I think I'll eat the box..it's got more nourishment!.


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 03:02 AM

Oh shit, there goes the neighbourhood.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans physics
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 03:59 AM

Goofus. A tangent can lead to a parabolic trajectory which in turn can give an elliptical orbit. That way I don't have to spend quite so long near your planet.

Which is a good thing, given your take on things.

Isn't it boy?

Woof!

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 05:53 AM

There is a much more important issue behind the "Gay Marriage" debate an issue which i have yet to see properly discussed here.

"Equality".....this is the word used by many to further the political agenda that Little Hawk has mentioned.....Homosexuality, despite the dangers, promiscuity and risks which are documented by the health agencies, is of little or no importance in the great scheme of things, as it only affects a tiny proportion of the population.
However, the use of the word "equality" to validate any type of behaviour which is popular in the media (Murdoch's papers are virulently pro "Gay Marriage") is hypocritical when the whole of Corporate Capitalist society is based on extreme inequality.

Male to male sex is patently not "equal" to male to female sex for obvious reasons and the "Gay Marriage" campaign is in fact a bid for conformity and normalisation of behaviour that the vast proportion of human beings regard as repugnant.

"Equality" should never be used as a smokescreen to the very real crimes and impediments to happiness and fulfillment which are endemic to this money orientated system.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 07:34 AM

Congratulations, Ake, through some unsupportable assertions and twisted reasoning you've managed to wed your hatred of homosexuals to your hatred of capitalism. Must be very convenient for you.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 09:13 AM

Sorry Big Gamie.......I do hate Capitalism, but not homosexuals, so your kind wishes are completely undeserved. :0(

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 09:24 AM

Ake, my last post was a bit harsh. I stand by it but I mean you no ill will.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans Karl Marx
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 09:44 AM

I do though.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans equality
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 10:01 AM

Male to male sex is not equal to male to female sex for obvious reasons eh?

And what obvious reasons are those then?

Oh. There aren't any. So to say it and then claim you don't hate gay people?

Perhaps you just have a hang up about sex. Speak to Goofus. He always has psycho mumbo jumbo to hand when anyone professes personal inadequacies.

Gillymore. Your post was not harsh. This one is the real McCoy.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 10:08 AM

Yeah, it was harsh because I kind of like the poor, misguided crackpot. Once again, no offense, Ake.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 10:18 AM

Well, the mere mention of the subject has driven you chaps to the ramparts of accusative hyperbole once again, I see. Works every time. And this is what the system which rules over you (or should I say "us"?) anticipates and relishes. Divide and conquer is the time-honored strategy of Empire.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 10:18 AM

Musket: "A tangent can lead to a parabolic trajectory which in turn can give an elliptical orbit."

It can....but you need to turn out of the tangent..otherwise you end up 'lost in space'...which pretty much describes your position, and location...What's even worse, is when you don't know your 'right' from your 'left'...they can be confusing, especially when you are in a spin.
True story.
Hope you get your bearings...... but then, maybe you're just on a trip! ...(enjoy!)

gillymor: "Congratulations, Ake, through some unsupportable assertions and twisted reasoning you've managed to wed your hatred of homosexuals to your hatred of capitalism."

Shit why not?...Don't you believe that homosexuals and capitalism have the right to marry?....you must be a capithomophobe!...hey, if you pronounce the 'th' together, you even get a lisp!..or you can pronounce them separately...equal rights, right?

This was not a 'paid political message'...........

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 10:29 AM

Ah yes, the tinfoil brigade forms ranks. If you guys could quit gazing at your navels through your assholes long enough you'd be able to experience the joy of witnessing a large section of the American populace moving slowly from villification and criminalization toward social and legal equality. I feel sorry for you tiny little folk.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 10:34 AM

Hey, Little Hawk and posted Exactly at the same time...we must be harmonious with.....

String Theory

The starting point for string theory is the idea that the point-like particles of elementary particle physics can also be modeled as one-dimensional objects called strings. According to string theory, strings can oscillate in many ways. On distance scales larger than the string radius, each oscillation mode gives rise to a different species of particle, with its mass, charge, and other properties determined by the string's dynamics. Splitting and recombination of strings correspond to particle emission and absorption, giving rise to the interactions between particles. An analogy for strings' modes of vibration is a guitar string's production of multiple distinct musical notes. In this analogy, different notes correspond to different particles.

In string theory, one of the modes of oscillation of the string corresponds to a massless, spin-2 particle. Such a particle is called a graviton since it mediates a force which has the properties of gravity. Since string theory is believed to be a mathematically consistent quantum mechanical theory, the existence of this graviton state implies that string theory is a theory of quantum gravity.

String theory includes both open strings, which have two distinct endpoints, and closed strings, which form a complete loop. The two types of string behave in slightly different ways, yielding different particle types. For example, all string theories have closed string graviton modes, but only open strings can correspond to the particles known as photons. Because the two ends of an open string can always meet and connect, forming a closed string, all string theories contain closed strings.

The earliest string model, the bosonic string, incorporated only the class of particles known as bosons. This model describes, at low enough energies, a quantum gravity theory, which also includes (if open strings are incorporated as well) gauge bosons such as the photon. However, this model has problems. What is most significant is that the theory has a fundamental instability, believed to result in the decay (at least partially) of spacetime itself. In addition, as the name implies, the spectrum of particles contains only bosons, particles which, like the photon, obey particular rules of behavior. Roughly speaking, bosons are the constituents of radiation, but not of matter, which is made of fermions. Investigating how a string theory may include fermions led to the invention of supersymmetry, a mathematical relation between bosons and fermions. String theories that include fermionic vibrations are now known as superstring theories; several kinds have been described, but all are now thought to be different limits of a theory called M-theory.

Since string theory incorporates all of the fundamental interactions, including gravity, many physicists hope that it fully describes our universe, making it a theory of everything. One of the goals of current research in string theory is to find a solution of the theory that is quantitatively identical with the standard model, with a small cosmological constant, containing dark matter and a plausible mechanism for cosmic inflation. It is not yet known whether string theory has such a solution, nor is it known how much freedom the theory allows to choose the details.

One of the challenges of string theory is that the full theory does not yet have a satisfactory definition in all circumstances. The scattering of strings is most straightforwardly defined using the techniques of perturbation theory, but it is not known in general how to define string theory nonperturbatively. It is also not clear as to whether there is any principle by which string theory selects its vacuum state, the spacetime configuration that determines the properties of our universe (see string theory landscape)."


Or was it merely co-incidence????

Yo-ho!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans Newton
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 10:40 AM

(I don't believe I am having this conversation.)

You only need to turn out of the tangent if the reference (your weird planet) remains stationary which it can't.   Hence what appears straight is at least logarithmic which of course describes a parabolic trajectory.

(Shit. I'm slipping, need to check I have a name badge or I'll not be allowed out. .. (

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 10:41 AM

gillymor: "If you guys could quit gazing at your navels through your assholes long enough you'd be able to experience the joy of witnessing a large section of the American populace moving slowly from villification and criminalization toward social and legal equality."

Yeah, now we can hate Jews, Christians and Islam, and disregard and vilify science, too!!..Whippeee! We're arriving somewhere near your location, somewhere between 'utopia' and your upper colon!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 10:49 AM

Musket sans Newton: "(I don't believe I am having this conversation.)"

You only need to turn out of the tangent if the reference (your weird planet) remains stationary which it can't....."

As per aforementioned, is that turn to the right or left....otherwise Newton's theory might be a smashing experience....or GFS's theory says.."Snap now, and avoid the rush!"

"(I don't believe I am having this conversation.)"

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans Newton
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 10:57 AM

No. You don't understand you are having this conversation. Not the same thing my old teapot.

I'll let the good professor explain.

Ready boy?

Woof!

Off you go. Don't forget Newton' s bucket.

Woof! Woof! Grrrrrr. Woof!

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 11:28 AM

gillymor - You are leaping to the usual false conclusion that people you think you disagree with about something MUST believe in every kind of horrible and hateful and extremely weird thing that inhabits your anxiety closet! ;-D Not so. If you got to know the people you are stereotyping in this hyperbolic fashion, you would find out that just like you they believe in: science, freedom, equality, justice, fairness, virtue, kindness, reason, logic, and every other kind of good thing which you believe in....which virtually ALL of us believe in.

Trust me. It is so. Your eagerness to grossly stereotype others in a way that allows you to make facile quips about things like "tinfoil hats" (what a dreadful cliche'!) is leading you far astray my good fellow. It sounds rather like Goebbels talking about the "eternal Jew" when you do that.

Try to see others as complete human beings quite similar to yourself when you talk to them. It helps.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans imperfection
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 11:46 AM

By logical deduction, Little Hawk has given up on the likes of me then.

I tried seeing Akenaton as fellow human but you know what? Fuck him. His only virtue is consistency and perhaps lack of shame. I am sure many share such views but have the decency to keep it "up there."

Trying to understand the other fellow and reason with him has been tried before I guess. Lord Halifax had a go if my history books are correct.

Little Hawk. You are asking people not to stereotype when they are pointing out stereotyping as an issue. Just think on will you? I know you try to be the real you on these threads and I am far more outspoken than normal but believe me, I don't tolerate intolerance in any sphere and the weasel behind Akenaton is not a nice person. He is quick to point out my name whilst keeping his hidden.

There again, I suppose I have nothing to be ashamed of. I don't expect people to agree with me but neither do I accept bigotry as a view. It is no more and no less than personality disorder.

He once asked me how I slept at night. No shame see? Yep. Classic personality disorder.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 12:09 PM

No, I haven't given up on the likes of you, Musket. ;-) Hardly. There is none of us here that approves of bigotry. But who among us here is willing to examine himself for traces of it instead of just hunting traces of it out in others?

It is my contention that virtually all human beings have some traces of bigotry lurking in their thinking...but they are normally completely unaware of it...because they are so busy searching it out in others. It makes them FEEL good to find it in others! (because they then feel morally and mentally superior)

To put it another way: we're all unreasonably prejudiced toward someone, and not necessarily for any good reason, but usually simply out of our own ignorance.

You can't improve other people by constantly carping and criticizing them. You can improve yourself by lessening your own negativity toward other people...and improving yourself is your one real job in this life, in my opinion. I apply this advice to me as well as to you or anyone else, and in the same measure....and I work at it.

There are passages in the Bible...and in many other great religious and philosophical texts from many different cultures...which address this very problem, because it's an absolutely vital one in human development. The one from the Bible says in effect, "instead of going on and on about the bit of dust you noticed in the other guy's eye, have a look at the plank that is stuck in your own eye".

Good advice. Whether or not you are religious. I repeat, you can't improve or change other people by telling them how "bad" they are...you can only irritate them, depress them, anger them, possibly make them really hate you after awhile...but you can improve yourself by better understanding your own negativity and thereby changing yourself, and that's your one real job in this life.

This escapes most people. They spend their whole lives trying to improve everyone else instead...and collecting "enemies" to fight with. This enables them to be "right" all the time, and never engage in any self-criticism...and they like that. It's the path of least love, least awareness...and least resistance.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 12:32 PM

Hmmm. I'm going to re-phrase that last sentence.

It's the path of least love, least awareness...and MOST resistance. Because, like any form of resistance, it produces friction, heat, conflict, and warfare of various sorts.

We have things that unite us and things that divide us. We have things in common and things that are not in common. The former outnumber the latter by a wide margin...yet most people look not to what unites them with others, but to what is different in others, and they fight about it. That's the path of war, and it misses the point of life entirely, because what we have in common vastly outweighs the things that divide us.

If Sunnis and Shiites could see this, for instance, their religious quarrel would be ended. If Catholics and Protestants could have seen it, they could have saved themselves hundreds of years of bloody warfare. If Americans and Russians could have seen it, they could have saved themselves trillions of dollars of unnecessary confrontation. If people on this forum could see it, they be a lot kinder to each other.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 12:52 PM

Tonight I'm going to a party hosted by a couple of gay friends of ours. We will celebrate the recent Supreme Court decisions on DOMA and Prop 8 with food, drink, song, tune playing and general merriment. I'm sure no one there will feel like a dupe of American Imperialism or in need of federally funded psychological repair.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 12:55 PM

"By logical deduction, Little Hawk has given up on the likes of me then. "

Given up on? You change your name so that your posts here won't be associated with you in the real world, constantly mock people and go for the cheap and unfunny jokes in what you call "polite conversation" and demand to be taken seriously.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Ian Mather is mentally ill. But Droopy Musket certainly is.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 12:59 PM

Well then, have a lovely evening, gillymor. ;-) Most of the gay friends I have are musicians, but I hardly even noticed they were gay, because it's not an issue.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 01:03 PM

This is a big issue for us and cause for celebration.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 01:17 PM

Yeah, I understand that, and it's fine with me.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 01:44 PM

No offence taken ghilli mhor....I enjoy debate, you simply misunderstand my stance on this.

As i said earlier its about a much wider issue than homosexuality, but the "gay marriage" controversy is an excellent example of how government by media works and how freedom of speech can be attacked in an Orwellian fashion.


It has become a crime to call a spade a spade, we see it in the child grooming cases in England and the cyber spying by our governments, which has recently been expose by Mr Snowden.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans Ian
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 01:58 PM

What has child grooming got to do with gay marriage?

Only asking.

Sailor Jerk.

1. I never ask to be taken seriously and if I took you seriously I wouldn't insult you, I would ignore you. As it is, I enjoy seeing you try to keep your cool for a while but after a time, you rise to the bait with your "reasonable" stereotyping.

2. I have less problems than you in being associated with my posts. I was pm'd with your name the other week but I respect your wish not to be associated with your posts. After all, they are a bit embarrassing to say the least. ...

3. Polite conversation. Mmm. No. Got me there. Must be some American phenomenon.If it nmeans questioning and ridiculing people for not sharing your spiritual hobby and looking for skeletons in people's closets for not having group delusion, then my response is quite polite really. You insult the majority of people in theWWestern world and expect earnest debate? Im doing you a bloody favour.

Anyway, atheism is now a religion. The Right Rev. Shaw and I have just started it, as you know.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 02:03 PM

You know this is VERY worrying. I'm almost getting to like Mither's posts.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans blood of the Messiah
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 02:13 PM

You must apply to join our religion then Richard. May I call you Richard? You see, I get to smile more these days. Goes with the job of being a co (not deputy) Messiah.

We need a legal eagle to advise us when we discriminate against women and gay people. Akenaton has agreed to write the terms of reference and Sailor Jerk does the cut and paste citations.

I did note your "almost" but we can help you there with indoctrination classes.

Can't do much about your radical conscience though. .. pity but there you go.




Full details on the atheist thread.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 02:25 PM

I used to tell gnu that I didn't believe in trolls....well it seems that in Ian we have come pretty close to the popular definition of one.... a wind-up merchant we call them up in Scotia...sad folks who get their jollies from trying to make others angry.
Ian doesn't seem to care about very much, other than sneering and cracking unfunny jokes.
One can be an atheist without disrespecting those who do believe, personally I rather admire those who are able to see something other than the eternal cycle...most of them are good people with the best of motives and the spirit they feel will touch us all no matter how dubious we are.

There is little hatred on this forum, but in Ian and a couple of others there is something festering and all are "liberals"...isn't that strange?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans Ian
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 04:00 PM

Or in English, got you weighed up.

There are one or two people on this forum who do respect people's faith. One is called Musket and the other apparently is called Ian. Lots of examples of this for those capable of reading what they actually read.   What's more, he / I / we respect lifestyle choice . Not that we have to respect it of course. As equal stakeholders in society nobody needs nor requires my respect.

What's up Akenaton? Worried that others are showing contempt for your antiquated hatred? Start showing the respect you claim I don't show and you never know, the world might not be so bad after all.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 05:18 PM

"Lifestyle choice"....can mean absolutely anything that you want it to mean.....like most of your buzz words.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 05:33 PM

I think it's time for Chongo to weigh in with some calm, dispassionate comments that will smooth things over... ;-)

Chongo?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans Ian
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 05:49 PM

Equality.

Nothing more.

Nothing less.

Nothing to do with those unaffected.

A right not a privilege.








So fuck off, there's a good chap.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 06:05 PM

Musket sans sanity not perfect??????? Har! Har! Ook! Ook! Oh, man, I'm killin' myself laffin' here, damn near fell outta my chair. For Musket to say he ain't perfect is like Al Capone sayin' he ain't kind-hearted! It's like Pol Pot sayin' "I am no humanitarian." It's like Richard Nixon sayin', "I'm just a teeny bit paranoid now and then, but hardly so you would notice."

I'll tell ya who is perfect. I am. Anyone who knows me can see it in an instant. I am the perfect example of an ape who knows exactly where he's goin' and why. Now, you take a checkered character like Musket, scratch his thin veneer of social respectability down to the layer of an onion skin, and whaddya find? A rank specist! A guy who thinks he's smarter than the average ape, acts like he's more credible than yer average zoo monkey, but he can't even peel a banana and do it the right way! If he was an ape, he'd be an embarrassment to the entire genus, and we'd hafta "cull" him out for the good of our race.

This bozo Musket sans whatever-the-heck is SO far from perfect that if infinity could be measured, his tragic lack of perfection would measure out at just one inch short of that on the scale.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 06:20 PM

"Equality.

Nothing more.

Nothing less.

Nothing to do with those unaffected.

A right not a privilege."

That should be written on a sandwich board and tied round your neck!
Once again you remind me of a religious fundamentalist, with his jargon, which he is incapable of digesting.....you try to insult Sanity by likening him to a dog......while parroting your meaningless nonesense.

You understand nothing about "equality"

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 06:55 PM

Nonesense? Hmm. Must mean "More nonsensical than ordinary garden variety nonsense. Absolutely no sense at all! You'd hear wiser commentary from a caged bird." I like it.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 07:04 PM

And then there's nunsense...that is the kinda good advice ya get from a helpful nun...like Sister Mary Angela, a real good friend of mine over at Guardian Angels. Yessir, them nuns can be real solid types ya can rely on, providin' you avoid the nasty old ruler-swingin' types that got a chip on their shoulder...and some of 'em are like that. But not Sister Mary Angela. The pity is, you can't date 'em, not even the nice ones.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: artbrooks
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 07:34 PM

I am. 100