What should Susan Boyle sing next?

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 May 09 - 07:03 PM

The famous "V" sign is considered obscene in the UK, Emma, if the knuckles of the fingers forming the V are facing outward. It is exactly the same significance as "giving the finger" in North America. (perhaps Brits feel that 2 fingers are better than one...)

If the knuckles of the fingers forming the V are facing inward, however, which means that the other 2 fingers and the thumb are out in front, then it is not considered obscene. Churchill's use of the "V for victory" gesture was of the latter type, not the former.

It's a bit easier and more comfortable for the hand to flash the common insulting V sign than it is to do the V for victory sign.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Lox
Date: 28 May 09 - 07:08 PM

Legend has it that this goes back to the battle of Agencourt.

If the french captured an English archer they would cut of his finger so he couldn't use his bow.

So they would stick up their middle finger at the English to taunt them before battle.

The English would stick two fingers up in defiance.








Of course this is actually just a myth and not true - but it usually gets an excited response.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Emma B
Date: 28 May 09 - 07:08 PM

he V sign is not really 'obscene' LH - it's much more a fairly common 'up yours' gesture said, according to urban myth, to have its origins in the archers who fought in the 100 Years War against France

It was a means of telling your opponent that you were still capable of drawing a bow string back, as you still had two fingers!

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Lox
Date: 28 May 09 - 07:09 PM

Ha,

Beat you to it ;-)

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Tootler
Date: 28 May 09 - 07:21 PM

When I was at school, which is a few years ago now, we understood the V sign to mean "bollocks". I didn't hear the Agincourt myth until many years later.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 May 09 - 07:45 PM

I find it really pathetic, not to mention disgusting, how the sudden success of an otherwise obscure person can bring out the worst characteristics of some people.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: robomatic
Date: 28 May 09 - 08:32 PM

I don't have a dog in this fight but I was slightly disappointed that her last choice was the big one from 'Cats'. Still, it's her choice, and if she likes it, more power to her.

I suspect that my desire to get an idea of her staying power with "Inna Gadda Da Vida" would be problematic, but it would sure make the others have to sing faster.

I'd like to hear her do some classic torch number.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Jeanie
Date: 29 May 09 - 09:19 AM

It has saddened me greatly to read about the way Susan Boyle has apparently been affected by the publicity (both positive and negative) following her winning the first round.

The public's reaction to her was such an unprecedented overnight, immediate phenomenon. I do wish she, or someone close to her (her singing teacher, perhaps) had seen the sense in engaging an agent/personal manager immediately after the first show. I hope she is getting one now. She could have been saved from so much. An agent would steer her through the minefield of publicity interviews, the reading (or not !) of press articles and so on, and would advise her on the wisdom (nor not !) of making any instant changes to her appearance and would advise her on the best choice of song and so on.

An agent would also tell her that losing the contest would definitely not make her a "loser". It was a different kind of contest and contestant, I know, but all of the main contenders in the "Maria" contest have gone on to major roles in the West End and national tours.

An agent would also prepare her for the kind of "public" she would be meeting. Not long ago, I heard two actresses speaking who had each been famous long-running characters in "Casualty" and "Brookside" respectively. They were saying how people would camp outside their doors, acost them in shops, make critical remarks about their appearance and so on. One of them had gone on to work in classical theatre with Derek Jacobi and asked him how he coped with the public's attention after "Cadfael" when out and about. He said it rarely happened: "Different sort of audience, my dear."

However the finals of "Britain's Got Talent" turn out, there is certainly a performing future for Susan Boyle and I do hope she is able to take the opportunity to pursue it, with proper professional guidance.

- jeanie

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Emma B
Date: 29 May 09 - 10:04 AM

Susan Boyle has been handled with quite insensitive and shameless marketing by the only people who are making any money out of her TV appearances to date while being constrained in everything she can do, say or perform by the compulsory draconian contract

Her 'image' and Cinderella story has been carefully manipulated and promoted by the producers for maximum emotional impact on the viewing/voting public but, I'm pleased at least that she has finally lost her temper with Piers "Rent a Gob" Morgan - described by the people who know him best as "smarmy", "arrogant" and "self-satisfied"

He has cynically given a somewhat naive Ms Boyle the impression that he is her biggest fan and, when he openly praised another contestant as being in with an excellent chance of winning (all part of whipping up viewing figures and more dosh) it is hardly any suprise that she felt betrayed and used; frankly I'm suprised she only yelled 'Fuck Off'

Jo Hemmings, a leading behavioral psychologist, has observed that although she never initially expected to win when she first entered thanks to the plethora of uncritical and almost frenzied adulation she now has an artificial selfbelief that has been put on her by other people adding -

- She's now convinced she'll win - and that's part of her problem

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: bobad
Date: 29 May 09 - 10:53 AM

"I find it really pathetic, not to mention disgusting, how the sudden success of an otherwise obscure person can bring out the worst characteristics of some people."

It is an apt illustration of the "Tall Poppy Syndrome" as also evidenced on this thread.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Emma B
Date: 29 May 09 - 11:17 AM

Bobad, my feelings are nothing to do with the 'politics of envy' or any other interpretations of 'Tall Poppy Syndrome'

As I have posted before, I have nothing to feel envious of.
True Ms Boyle has a (much) better voice than myself (but then almost everyone has) but I have been blessed with a good education and a sucessful and rewarding career and social life that she has missed out on.

I am however angry of what has been dome to this apparently trusting naive woman in the name of public 'entertainment' and padding the already overful wallets of those that have exploited what is, frankly, a good talent but not one likely to bring her the sort of career she wishes for despite the internet phenomena and cleverly manufactured publicity.

Like the psychologist I quoted above I feel that the uncritical adulation has uiltimately done her no favours either.

Nevertheless, I reiterate that I hope she comes out of this circus as unscathed as possible, wish her the best with what I fear will be a short lived 'fame' and feel sad that sometimes we do have to be very careful what we wish for.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 29 May 09 - 12:05 PM

Well, all the UK papers today are headlining on her imminent mental collapse and saying that she's on the verge of withdrawing from from the BGT finals. The Boyle Bobble appears to have well and truly burst! Poor woman's been well & truly shafted, as of course was a foregone conclusion all along - she was set up for a fall. Not a matter of told you so, just a matter of an absolutely tragedy that a human being could be treated in such a way. Still, if all she comes out of this with is a little wisdom and an appearance of the cover of The Radio Times then that's achievement enough I would say. 15 minutes of fame? It's been barely 5!

Time, as ever, will tell. I hope I'm wrong, and that she goes on to fill SRS's CD collection will many cherished volumes, but it's looking unlikely...

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 09 - 12:35 PM

I agree, bodad.

I also agree with Jeanie. No matter what happens in the finals, Susan Boyle has already won. What she needs to do now is to get herself a good agent-manager who will look out for her interests, guide her career (if, indeed, that is what she wants), and protect her from the exploiters and those who would try to drag her down.

I repeat: what happens in the finals is not all that important. Even if she did decide to withdraw (which might not be a bad idea, just to save her nerves), she has already won.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Emma B
Date: 29 May 09 - 12:53 PM

'Rarely has a television show been more badly misnamed than Britain's Got Talent.

The producers might like to pretend the programme is inspired by the quest for entertainment gold. But, in truth, the base metal of cynical exploitation lies at its heart.

It is a celebration of banality and eccentricity, not of genuine talent.
In this modern version of the Victorian freak show, too many of the contestants have neither the real star-quality nor the psychological equipment to cope with the sustained, harsh glare of the public spotlight.

Britain's Got Talent reflects some of the worst traits of so-called 'reality television'.
Like its close relation Big Brother, this show is all about manipulating the eagerness for celebrity among vulnerable, often desperate people.

The more tears, humiliation, conflict and embarrassment, the more the public loves it.

The three star judges - Piers Morgan, Amanda Holden and Simon Cowell - keep telling us that this awesome success is based on the British public's desire to be cheered up in the midst of a recession.
There may be an element of truth in this, but I fear there are darker, less uplifting forces at work; a combination of smug mockery mixed with sentimentality, vulgarity and titillation


The prime victim of this show's contempt for morality is Susan Boyle

Her simplicity and otherworldliness - qualities that were a large part of her appeal - have also left her exposed

She is said to have shouted foulmouthed abuse at a TV screen in a public lounge after Piers Morgan, upon whom she has confessed she has a crush, showered praise on her rival for the title, the 12-year-old singer Shaheen Jafargholi.

All this serves only to boost the profile of Britain's Got Talent. As with Big Brother, the greater the controversy, the higher the ratings.

The producers of Britain's Got Talent are no doubt revelling in all this hysteria and the rivalry between Susan and the other leading contestants'

By David Wilson, former psychologist on Big Brother
29th May 2009

and Piers Morgan's part in boosting the rivalry that appears to have caused Susan Boyle's anguish after he had 'flirted with her and asked her out on a 'date'?

What he told one newspaper about Stavos Flatley -

"always had a soft spot for the father and son dance duo.
"They are my funniest and favourite act ever," enthuses Piers

on the TV about Shaheen Jafargholi

his had been "the best singing performance we have heard in the semi-finals so far".

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Emma B
Date: 29 May 09 - 02:14 PM

'What she needs to do now is to get herself a good agent-manager who will look out for her interests, guide her career (if, indeed, that is what she wants), and protect her from the exploiters and those who would try to drag her down.'

Nice ambition Don but it ain't going to happen

Why?

Whoever actually wins the real winners of both The X Factor and Britain's Got Talent are Simon Cowell, his record company Syco, and ITV, which screens both programmes.
While they rake in millions from the stars of these shows and phone
votes from the public, most of the performers themselves will be lucky to see more than a tiny fraction of the money made off their backs.

While much is made of the prize money for the winner there is some old-fashioned sleight of hand going on.
That figure refers to the amount of money Simon Cowell's record company, Syco, and parent company Sony BMG will payfor writers, producers, stylists and marketing, with the artist receiving an advance of only £150,000 - which sounds a lot of money until you realise they must live off this for the unspecified duration of their contract
Even then the vast majority of any profit made from the CD will go to Simon Cowell

However, for most of the runners-up and finalists on the two shows, the experience is likely to leave them with little apart from a book of newspaper cuttings and a sense of failure.

The roll-call of these 'failures' is already long. Who now remembers
previous X Factor and Britain's Got Talent winners and runners-up such as Shayne Ward, Leon Jackson, Steve Brookstein or Andrew Muir?

Contestants think it is the beginning of their career, but there is
nothing to back it up.

Even after the show a runner up can't sign with anyone for three months.

On tour, the X Factor and Britain's Got Talent acts have to pay for
phone calls or other expenses and even for their breakfast if it's not included in the price of the room.

Impossible that Ms Boyle would be able to afford the type of agent/manager you refer to even in the extremely unlikely event she was allowed to

'Because Sony and Syco have got you, it makes it a bit frustrating if
other work comes up,' says Damon Scott, the 30-year-old singer and
puppeteer who was runner-up to opera singer Paul Potts in the first
series of Britain's Got Talent. 'You essentially have to go to them
for permission.'

Contracts make it clear that Sony BMG has the 'final say' over album
tracks, producers and single releases.

Even more ridiculous than the fact it stipulates that contestants must not say anything 'unduly' derogatory about Cowell, it also says the contract is enforceable anywhere 'in the world or solar system'.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 09 - 03:02 PM

Emma, do the contestants have to sign a contract with Syco to appear on the show? And if Susan Boyle did turn out to be a runner-up in the finals, could she then sign with someone else after three months?

Really good agent-managers don't charge the client. They get their money from a percentage (usually 10%, sometimes 15% with a really good one, e.g., the late Sol Hurok, for example) of the client's earnings.

I worked with an agent for several years, and other than 10% of what I got for a singing engagement, I didn't have to pay him anything. It was in his interest that I was doing well. If not, he didn't get paid. And he kept me working pretty steady without my having to go out and beat the bushes. I was not his only client, of course.

I don't know how things work in the British Isles. Maybe the system is different there. But considering the splash that Susan Boyle has already made and the fact that, even though she may not be Maria Callas or Natalie Dessay, the lady is a pretty darn good singer. I would imagine that there would be agents jostling each other to get at her.

The trick is for her to get one who realizes that her interests and well-being are in his interests as well.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 May 09 - 05:02 PM

The story on PRI's The World today says she is under such pressure that she has moved to an "undisclosed safe house" until she can return home.

She's Got Presssure (3'30")

All of that pressure, no payment, no turning back. If someone is looking out for her, maybe one day she'll simply get to do what she wants to do--sing. In a studio, or in settings that are appropriate. I like that Derek Jacobi quote. That is probably the answer in a nutshell. Perhaps she can become the Glen Gould of the music world, and stick to studio singing only.

SRS

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Emma B
Date: 29 May 09 - 06:03 PM

to further quote the psychologist David Wilson

"It's a duty of care, it's about a moral responsibility.

The harrowing week that Piers was describing hasn't been created by the press.
The harrowing week has been created by the programme."

"If Britain's Got Talent was an experiment in any university we would have to draw a line on that experiment because ethically we would be putting the person at the heart of that experiment through emotional turmoil."

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 May 09 - 06:29 PM

I want to offer just one comment here, one incisive bit of analysis that no one else has offered yet on this fascinating subject.

Ahem!

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYAAAAAGUGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you all for listening.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 09 - 06:59 PM

Good commentary on PRI, Maggie.

Random thoughts.

In the glitter and fanfare of all that fame and glamour, starring in live musical theater can be beastly work, as can singing regularly night after night in a club (like a nightclub act) can become. Somehow the glamour can wear off really quick, and it can become just another kind of daily (or nightly) grind. Some folk "yust go nuts" for that kind of life, but a fair number of people who aspire to be stars discover when they get there that it's not all beer and skittles. Out in front of the audience can be a real high, but it can also be damned hard work. In fact, most of what goes on behind the scenes is just damned hard work.

Unless Susan Boyle is really into something like that, and knows what it entails, I would suggest that she seriously consider a recording career. Stilly mentioned Glenn Gould. Good example. He concert toured for about fifteen years and decided it was hell-on-wheels and that he hated it. So he quit and turned his talents to studio recording. He turned out what are arguably the "definitive" recordings (if there can ever be such a thing) of J. S. Bach's keyboard works. And he did it his way and pretty much in his own time.

And it's honorable work. I've seen film clips (Classic Arts Showcase channel) of singers like Bryn Terfel and Kiri Te Kanawa (with Leonard Bernstein conducting. She begins singing at about 1:45 into the clip) in a studio, with full orchestra, wearing earphones and standing before high-quality condenser mics—and dressed in their grubbies—singing their little hearts out. If somebody goofs, okay! Either do another take or tidy it up with software. Once it's in the can, you can then move on to the next thing you want to do.

And someone can listen to your performance as often as they like.

Or "ghost voices." Marnie Nixon dubbed in the voices of Natalie Wood in "West Side Story" and Audrey Hepburn in "My Fair Lady," along with dozens of others (she actually appeared on screen as one of the nuns in an early scene in "The Sound of Music" (in "What Do You Do with a Problem like Maria?" MN had the solo line, "She makes me laugh!"). This gave her a solid career as a singer (she also did concerts and recitals) without the hassle of "being famous," a hassle that Susan Boyle is all too swiftly and painfully learning about.

And don't forget royalties. A radio announcer friend of mine taped a batch of commercials some years ago that the company is still using. He said he spent an hour and a half in the studio recording the spots, they paid him a wad at the time, and still, every three months he gets a royalty check in the mail. For stuff he did once. A few years ago!

Kinda makes a person smile. . . .

Don Firth

P. S. Speaking of Kiri Te Kanawa, she, of course is one of world's foremost sopranos and I like her singing very much. Compare THIS with THIS. Frankly, for sheer verve and intensity, and as much as I like the singing of Dame Kiri, I can't help but prefer the second performance.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Jeanie
Date: 29 May 09 - 08:02 PM

Yes, Don, the agent system is exactly the same over here - so after 3 months (if that is what her contract with the TV company states) she (or any other runner-up contestant) would be totally free to sign up with any agent. She would not have to make any payment. In fact, in the UK there is a law against agents charging an up-front fee to take someone onto their books - they can only deduct percentages of earnings on work they have found for their clients.

Judging from what I have read here about the hold that the TV production company will have on the eventual winner, it seems to me it would actually be better to be a runner-up and be able to make one's own decisions with the career advice of a good, independent agent, rather than being the apparent "winner", whose hands will be very much tied.

- jeanie

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 09 - 10:12 PM

Thanks for the infro, Jeanie. I just hope Susan Boyle is aware of that and has thought the whole matter through. I think if I were her and having to put up with what she seems to be enduring, I'd just bag the finals and go my own way--seeking the advice of those I can trust to have my interests at heart.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 May 09 - 11:28 PM

Nice break for that friend of yours who did the commercials, Don! It definitely pays to be in the right spot at the right time.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 30 May 09 - 04:58 PM

The best act won! Bloody hell those kids are amazing!

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: breezy
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:16 PM

Stavros Flatley was robbed

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Lox
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:23 PM

I Thought Susan Boyle sang well.

I thought the best act definitely won.

And I thought that while the final two acts were waiting for the final result, she seemed to be really unhappy and was shaking and finding it hard to keep it together, and it seemed that she didn't want to be there, until the result was announced, at which point she seemed to relax and looked genuinely happy and relieved that it wasn't going to be her in the spotlight any more.

The others were all much of a muchness.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:27 PM

I'm glad Susan didn't win, for her own sake.

And go Essex!

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Lox
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:27 PM

As far as I'm aware, it doesn't matter whether you win or not. If you take part, you agree to give a cut of your any profits you might make, as a result of the publicity they give you, to the program makers as part of the contract.

So if you come 200th and then go on to sell a million records, you still give Simon Cowell his pound of flesh.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Emma B
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:30 PM

I'm just glad it's all over

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: greg stephens
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:43 PM

Totsal fix.Flawless were the best! Still, at least the winsome blubber din't win, we must be thankful for small mercies..

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:49 PM

People magazine article.

Good thing it's over. Now Susan can get on with the work she needs to do. Sing.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:50 PM

Has there been some sort of talent show on? Or something?

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Alan Day
Date: 30 May 09 - 06:15 PM

I was a bit disappointed in Susan repeating her "I dreamed a dream" She sang it well, but if only she had done something different. I have just been reading some of the songs suggested by Mudcatter's and what a shame she did not really belt one of those out. As it was Flawless were outstanding,they pulled out the stops and delivered.
They are now advertising for next years show,I hope the Lemonade Lady enters ( as she said she would).Now here is your chance Lox if you enter you can REALLY find out what goes on.
Do you want your coat back now?
Al

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 May 09 - 06:22 PM

Too bad that Chongo doesn't live in the UK...

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Lox
Date: 30 May 09 - 06:22 PM

I'll do a duet with you Alan ...

... But you'd best clear your diary for the next 15 years cos it'll take that long for the Al & Lox mania to die down ...

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 May 09 - 02:10 AM

The headlines I'm seeing out there are written by editors who apparently see only in black and white.

Anyone who thinks Susan "lost" in this competition by coming in second is nuts. She has come out of this with so much momentum she can no doubt do what she wants, and pick and choose from offers. That doesn't look like losing to me. But the pressure of that competition is removed, and hopefully an agent and a few personal assistants will help her navigate the next stage.

SRS

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 May 09 - 02:32 AM

I couldn't find the video earlier, even though there was news covereage of her performance. I didn't see a YouTube linke above, although there may be one. Click here for a video of Susan's performance of "I Dreamed a Dream," which won here second place in "Britain's Got Talent" this evening.
I would have preferred a new song instead of one I've seen already, but she did this perfectly.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Alan Day
Date: 31 May 09 - 02:52 AM

I will start practising Lox
Al

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: evansakes
Date: 31 May 09 - 03:55 AM

"What should Susan Boyle sing next?"

'Show me the way to go home'?

Seriously though I think she'll do well. She's the highest placed singer and this is where Syco (ie Simon Cowell) will make a real killing. A dance group can't sell CDs and downloads so will be less marketable in the short term.

It takes a lot to impress me with these dance acts but the invention and vitality exhibited by 'Diversity' made them worthy winners for me. The main talent in their ranks is of course the choreographer and whatever happens to all his mates he surely has a great career in front of him (maybe Michael Jackson will sign him up?)

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 May 09 - 11:50 AM

I saw two dance acts when people posted links--Diversity and Flawless. Did Flawless proceed through to the finals also, or were they knocked out before that?

I've heard about different parts of the program, Susan's performance, and remarks about Diversity at the end. Are there two separate videos for these?

I listened to a clip of Susan's final program performance, this is also what Paul Potts did, reprise the first song for the last program. The final one may have been flawless, but the first one had a lot more passion. Too bad Susan can't get a few cents per view for that one and retire on her royalties. :)

SRS

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 31 May 09 - 12:03 PM

Diveristy - The Winners, performing in the Final


Susan's 'Final' performance


Well, Susan knocked spots off those dancers. They're a dime a dozen I'm afraid, although I recognise the hard work they put in, but this lady has a voice that's something special.

It was good to see her singing that song again, not only is it a very beautiful song, but she felt at home singing it, and after all the terrible pressure she's been under, I should imagine that gave her comfort.

I also thought she looked very pretty and very elegant. :0)

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 31 May 09 - 12:06 PM

Joe, just to let you know. I re-did the link to Susan's performance, as your one isn't working any longer, says 'video removed'....I expect this one may well disappear too...anyway, that's why I did it. :0)

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 31 May 09 - 01:49 PM

If those dancers are a dime a dozen you'll have no difficulty providing links to dozens of other groups of a similar quality.

Al - so you do the singing and I get the cash yes? you be boyle and I'll be cowell ...

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 31 May 09 - 01:52 PM

BTW - I thought the girl who sang with her grandad had a much more expressive, dynamic and lively voice than susan boyle. It also had that silvery quality to it.

If grandad hadn't forgotten what was going on for a second and nearly missed his cue they could easilly have been up there.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 31 May 09 - 01:57 PM

Here you go, Lox


Put all those lads together, add a few lassies and a great choreographer and....POW!   There are thousands of kids out there who do 'extraordinary dancing' these days..youtube's full of them.

Don't get me wrong, they *were* pretty good, just, for me, not the ones who should have won it. Just a personal view, that's all.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 May 09 - 02:41 PM

That's pretty amazing!

But the problem with it is that it's in pretty much the same category as the person who can cup his hand in his armpit, and by moving his arm up and down, play Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture.

An interesting and jaw-dropping novelty. But where do you go from there?

Don Firth

P. S. No, no matter how you slice it, or who won the BGT finals, the real winner to emerge after all this fuss and feathers is Susan Boyle. She's a singer.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 31 May 09 - 04:34 PM

Oh well then thats easy.

Just find a great choreographer and you'll have another group that good

... just haven't found one yet ...

keep looking till you have eh ...

Your post is irrelevant as it contains no humour, no relevant observations and no acting - just world champion competitors ...

The lass who sang with her grandad was a singer too with more flexibility and promise than Boyle, and to my ears with a more pleasing voice - which I might add is still ripe to be developed unlike susans which is stuck in its groove by now.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 31 May 09 - 04:43 PM

BTW - I shall not bother linking to world champion singing competitors - and we know that such competitons exist - as we would find that Boyle would be totally outclassed.

But the point isn't to bring her down with derisive falsehoods, just to express our point of view.

You think Boyle should have won? fine.

I don't think she was the best singer.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 May 09 - 05:35 PM

Lox, I could easily compile a list of twenty female--or male--singers whom most knowledgeble people would agree are extremely good. But there would undooubtedly be general disagreement as to which one of them is "the best." One does not have to be "the best" to have won in the sense that I mean.

Out of a dozen excellent singers, each with his or her own special talents and characteristics, how do you pick "the best?"

Don Firth

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Alan Day
Date: 31 May 09 - 05:49 PM

I cannot understand why you keep repeating yourself Lox. You do not like Susan Boyle's voice, OK. It is a matter of taste, there are a number of singers that I do not like, that people do like.A number of us do like Susan's voice and from the moment I heard it wrote about her on this site.I have never heard such rubbish written about a singer before,non of it based on fact. If she has a large contract before her to do some recordings and make money then good luck to her. I hope she can cope with all the pressure, but losing probably eased her concerns.
I look forward to future recordings of hers and I shall enjoy listening to them and you Lox can just reach for the knob and turn it off.As I am about to do with you.
Remember the subject was "What shall Susan Boyle Sing next" a number of the lovely suggestion earlier in this discussion,I hope.
Al