BS: RosieO'Donnell&WillieNelson on 9/11

Subject: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:05 PM

From Rosie O'Donnell's blog:

at 5 30 pm
9 11 2001
wtc7 collapsed

for the third time in history
fire brought down a steel building
reducing it to rubble

hold on folks
here we go

• The fires in WTC 7 were not evenly distributed, so a perfect collapse was impossible.
• Silverstein said to the fire department commander "the smartest thing to do is pull it."
• Firefighters withdrawing from the area stated the building was going to "blow up".
• The roof of WTC 7 visibly crumbled and the building collapsed perfectly into its footprint.
• Molten steel and partially evaporated steel members were found in the debris.

[WTC 7] contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron's), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank's Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor's Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions. [Online Journal]

The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed [by the collapse of WTC 7]. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. …"Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases." [New York Lawyer]

Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center, one of the buildings that collapsed in the aftermath of the attack. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack. [TheStreet]

Inside [WTC 7 was] the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than 200 employees. …"All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran. [TechTV]

lets start here
ok…go slow
remember 2 breathe
use google

http://www.rosie.com/blog/2007/03/15/wtc-7/

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:09 PM

What makes Rosie any more credible than anyone else?

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:15 PM

What nonsense. All of that was impossible since Marvin Bush, W's younger brother, was in charge of WTC security.
Surely he would have been aware if there was an inside job.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:22 PM

Enough ferchrissakes! Rosie? Yeah, my rosie red ass cheeks and you can kiss 'em both! This is the biggest crock of shit extant and has been refuted over and over and yet asswipes like you will continue to believe it.

There are at least a dozen threads where you can post this latest wondrous news of the stupid. What a load of crap.......

and Guest......Fuck You....and anybody that looks like you.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:27 PM

Suck rocks, Spaw, Spaw. He could look like my favourite German Shepherd!

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:34 PM

No doofus like this guy could ever look as good as GSD. I figure this guy looks like a warthog with a thyroid condition and acne.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:35 PM

Yeah, lets keep looks out of it.
Just because Dan Rather thought the WTC looked like controled demolition doesn't mean it was controled.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:36 PM

And you know what? The Assistant Substitute Linebacker for the Baltimore Ravens' best friend's cousin's girlfriend's hairdresser's son-in-law says Rosie's wrong...wrong around the Rosie.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:40 PM

Donald Trump said she was fat. I think Rosie already knew that. She said Trump was an asshole. I think he knew that as well.

Me? I'm sure that neither of them have any great extra insight into 9-11.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:02 PM

Speaking of Dan Rather, here's a video clip of him and reporter Jacaqueline Adams telling you in 1993 that the FBI was responsible for the bombing of the WTC tower. Man what short memories some people have. The FBI was on top of the bombing the whole time and was supposed to replace the real explosives with dummy explosives. But then they decided not to. Here's Dan Rather TELLING you that.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...eoid=1542894908

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:10 PM

"All of that was impossible since Marvin Bush, W's younger brother, was in charge of WTC security."

Check your facts. He was not "in charge" at all.   Another urban legend.   

As for Dan Rather, what the fuck is that supposed to prove? Absolutely no connection other than something you are attempting to make believable.   You should have paid more attention in school.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:14 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:19 PM

Check out the video clip. William Kunsler waving a thousand pages of transcriptions from the taped conversations of Hamed Salem with his FBI handlers. Dan Rather's TELLING you the FBI was responsible for the bombing. This is not make believe. Earth to Olesko...the contact has been broken. You are drifting away. We will attempt to... send hel... You imbeci...

"George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family.

The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a ``completion contract" to handle some of the security at the World Trade Center ``up to the day the buildings fell down."

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:27 PM

Hmm. It does appear the video's been taken down. It was there yesterday. MySpace, YouTube and the others spend lots of time nowadays taking down 9/11 truth videos. But the clips go up again constantly. Just go to YouTube or MySpace or GoogleVideo and type in "Dan Rather 1993 WTC". Some combination like that. Whatever's posted at the moment will turn up. The confession piece was reported by Jacqueline Adams. These online video clip sites are censoring heavily. To be expected in a police state.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:31 PM

Hmmm....It does appear you're full of shit.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F1Y6cGRXEs

A YouTube posting. 2 minutes 10 seconds, if y'all have the attention span.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:45 PM

If you are addressing Spaw, then the use of y'all is not correct. Y'all is reserved for many people--more than one, anyway. FYI and no offense meant.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: balladeer
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:49 PM

Rosie certainly seems to stir stuff up.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:52 PM

Thanks for proving our point Froth. NO WHERE does that video say the FBI "facilitated" or that the FBI was RESPONSIBLE for the bombing. You are the imbecile, and obviously you don't mind showing it in public! You twist the truth, you don't dig for the truth. Froth is a perfect name because you are obviously scum that is stirring up nonsense.

What you pointed out, and do not even realize it, is that the FBI in incompetent and could have prevented disasters like this if they did their job. That is far different from accusing them of doing the deed.

And your link about George's brother is incorrect. Keep searching and you will find out what his real connection was. Do you own homework and don't rely on the first crap that someone flings in your face.   Moron.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:56 PM

Y'all meant to address the several naysayers who barked immediately.

So anyway, there's Rather telling America the FBI did the bombing, and now, 14 years later, we have people defending the govt after it finally brought down the towers. Amazing. And O'Donnell's important only because she has visibility. One of her blog statements has the power of a million of mine, so more power to her.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Amergin
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 11:00 PM

Gee, isn't revisionist history fun? Now that we've pretended that flight 11 and 175 did not crash into the towers, but that it was a mass hallucination...and a magical editing job on live tv...let's now pretend the holocaust never happened....or I know....that AIDS is a government conspiracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 11:05 PM

You do NOT have Rather there saying that the FBI did the bombing. Dan Rather is saying, very carefully, that it appears that the FBI knew about the placing of the bomb material and might have, he said, been able to stop the event. Ron Olesko is right in saying that the only thing that has been demonstrated for sure is that the FBI was incompetent.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Dickey
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 11:06 PM

Rosie rocks! Rosie for Prez and Richard Simmons for Veep!

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 11:08 PM

Jacqueline Adams says of the FBI, "They discussed secretly substituting harmless powders for the explosives, but they didn't, according to the FBI's own informant, Ehmad Salem." And this is borne out in the 903 pages of transcriptions William Kuntsler is waving in the video. Salem knew the FBI couldn't be trusted, so he recorded his telephone calls and meetings with them. These transcripts turned up during the trials of the bombers, and the govt was so worried that they put out this piece trying to limit their liability. The FBI wasn't incompetent. It got the bomb into the basement, didn't it?

The govt must have you by the balls, Olesko, for you to be such a staunch supporter. Marvin Bush was involved with security for the WTC complex, Dulles Intl airport and United Airilnes until Sept 10, 2001. Prep work was kind of done by then, don't you imagine?

So what's the govt holding over your head to make you do this? You're not very good at it, so maybe you should just stop. If you become a LIABILITY to the Ministry of Propaganda, well, you might find yourself on the wet end of that waterboard you're defending.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 11:23 PM

The biggest problem with determining what happend on that day is separating government agency cover-ups from the truth. I doubt there would presently be any questions about the plane crashes had Bush's administration simply come clean by saying they fucked up. Fcat is that now between 26 and 36% of the American people think there was a conspiracy (I read two different 'studies'). Someone wasn't telling the whole truth back then. They still aren't today. Possibly the Bush bastards just capitalized on the 9-11 events to get a green light for the invasion of Iraq. But there was fucked up handling of pre 9-11 intelligence, and folks here should be giving taht a serious look instead of jumping on Froth. He may or may not be out to lunch, but then y'all ain't thinkin' clear about this, either, what with your headlong rush to defend one of the more corrupt governments on the planet.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 11:23 PM

Oh, and Dickey has his head where it usually is.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Dickey
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 12:12 AM

The WTC was bombed, two embassys were bombed and a Navy ship was attacked by al Qaeda before Bush came into office. Who came clean and admitted they fucked up for them?

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: jeffp
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 06:05 AM

Y'all is singular.

All y'all is plural.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Teribus
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 07:08 AM

Thanks for that clarification jeffp - gave me the best laugh of the day. Up until your post the winner was Bobert picking up someone for a spelling error or a typo.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 08:04 AM

Ever since she started blogging, people sometimes email me the weird stuff she says or post in forums. I am always left wondering why she has no one to tell her that obsessive blogging about topics likely to piss people off is a bad idea. Even more of a mystery is why the folks who send me that stuff think that i would care! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 08:33 AM

The importance of govt involvement in the 1993 WTC bombing, by the way, is that if it was involved in '93, then why wouldn't it be involved in 2001? And you have Dan Rather and Jacqueline Adams telling you that an FBI employee who was working INSIDE the terrorist cell said the Bureau intentionally failed to substitute harmless powder for the explosives. Again, if the govt would do that in '93, they would again take part (either actively or passively) in 2001.

And why doesn't the media talk about O'Donnell and her 9/11 statement? They were all over the meaningless catfight between O'Donnell and Donald Trump, but now that she says something substantive, why is there utter silence from the media? Because the media is controlled by the govt.

Govts kill for advantage.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 09:13 AM

ah, 'froth'...I don't suppose you'd care to work your way thru THIS page

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 12:27 PM

I went to the site, clicked on the 'Stand down' button and immediately spotted a lie. I can post the June 1, 2001 order yet again showing that NORAD command was transferred to the Executive Branch. I can post video of Norman Mineta's testimony regarding Dick Cheney and the stand down order. So you govt shills have constructed mis-information sites? So what? 84% of Americans think the govt is covering up something about 9/11, and 1/3 think the govt did the job.

And as for Dan Rather, you have to consider the source on all his stories. He's a govt coverup guy from way back (this is a fascinating article. A grapefruit bag is a bag of film, by the way. They were hustled to the lab for development quick back in those days, and they had pickup points when big events were being filmed):

http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/05th_Issue/rather.html

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 12:38 PM

GUEST,froth (as in "frothing at the mouth," I presume),

Haven't you been here several times before? I thought I recognized you because of the pencils up your nostrils, the knickers on your head, and the tendency to mumble something about "wibble wibble."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 02:53 PM

Geeziz Froth, you really ARE a screamin' jackass aren't you? You ain't got the sense to chase a chicken down the stairs with a broom. Go look in the mirror, point at the reflection, and scream, "Holy Shit! What an ASSHOLE!" Do that for an hour or so huh?

Can we all just stop responding to this fanook?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 08:08 PM

What works for you probably wouldn't work for me, Spew.

Rosie O'Donnell may be my least favorite "celebrity," but it is so cool that she's stepped forward on this issue. Another grain of sand on the wavering scales of justice. The govt's sooooo busted on 9/11. More and more people will continue to come forward and state the obvious facts in the case, and slowly America will start to come out of the mytholigizing mist that's been imposed on the country since 9/11. Like it or not Rosie O'Donnell is more recognized in America than Patrick Henry; she's a cornerstone of our society, and that cornerstone is shifting. Sooo cool.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 08:22 PM

"Rosie O'Donnell is . . . a cornerstone of our society [Gee! Somehow I had never thought of her (whenever I thought of her at all) in quite those terms], and that cornerstone is shifting."

What the hell does that mean? Is Rosie O'Donnell shifting? And in what manner is she shifting? Or is the society shifting because Rosie O'Donnell is such a force? When did she gain all this power? I don't watch much daytime television, so I guess I missed it.

Please elucidate. Inquiring minds want to know.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 08:34 PM

Only a complete mook would call another person a fanook.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 08:44 PM

Anyone see Loose Change II?

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 09:05 PM

Spaw, you must always bear in mind the possibility that there are newcomers and relative newcomers to this forum who are completely unaware of your...ummm...shall we say illustrious past here, and who are misled by your oafish, buffoonish, vulgarian posts into thinking that you are nothing short of a complete moribund ass, not to be taken seriously or even responded to.

A broke-dick mamalucca of the worst sort, in other words. (grin)

Look, man, you cannot coast forever on the fading glories of the past. Like Shatner, you have to come up with something new now and then. He's got that lawyer role now. "Denny Crane". What've you got? Fer God's sake, man, get a grip on yourself!

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 09:30 PM

Anyone got some loose change?

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 09:47 PM

I hand out copies of Loose Change 2 every day. DVDs and CD-roms burned with hours and hours of 9/11 videos. The old guard media controllers have underestimated the internet and video. We can now SHOW each other the truth rather than try to describe it. The criminals in power have had their gooses cooked and they don't even know yet that they've been plucked. Terrorism will no longer work as a political tool in the U.S. Unfortunately the old guard doesn't know this, but after the next terrorist attack, Washington will be the first suspect.

As for Rosie O'Donnell being a cornerstone, she is. Sad to say. Look at her Donald Trump rasslin' match. Totally mindless tripe fed to television viewers, but they ate it up. Lots of water cooler chatter about "Rosie" after that one. And thankfully that recent ridiculousness has boosted O'Donnell into the public eye in a big way. So now, when she says 9/11 is fishy, tens of millions of braindead TV viewers are going to say "huh?" Maybe only 5% of them will look into what she's talking about, but that's still a big number.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 09:50 PM

"Fer God's sake, man, get a grip on yourself! "

NO COMMENT!

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 09:53 PM

Send a free copy to Spaw.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 09:56 PM

Look Hawk, I AM a moribund ass and everytime I get a good grip on it, I go off........All the same, this Frothy mess of barely congealed shit and spit is the living proof that Henry the Dancing Bear butt-fucked caribou.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 09:58 PM

As long as my German Shepherd isn't involved, it's OK by me.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 10:04 PM

LOL! Look, man, you are going to be sorry someday. Number one, I KNOW people who know where you live, capiche? First thing is, we are going to send some of Chongo's buddies to kidnap you, tie your sorry ass in a large, comfy armchair in an otherwise empty room except for a large video screen, and force you to watch a free copy of "Loose Change 2" several times till you come to your senses and realize that your whole life up to now has been merely a rehearsal.

Number two, we are going to have you indicted before a grand jury for being a moribund ass, and have all your sillier posts put on public record to prove it.

After that...well...let's just say that it'll be a real wake-up call...

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 11:30 PM

Make it for 5 AM.....That's what time I start everyday with the kids. If you want kids, have them like normal folks...when you're young! Then again ...... When I was young, I was having way too much fun to have kids.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 06:29 AM

The Ratio show


Rosie ODonnel is to Donald Trump
as
John Stewart is to Tucker Carlson
as
Michael Moore is to Rush Limbaugh
as
George Carlin is to Enron's Skilling
as
Senator Leahy is to Dick Cheney

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: balladeer
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 02:01 PM

Rosie isn't exactly in the same league as John Stewart, and personally I'd like to see a Democratic ticket headed by Stewart and his adorable comrade-at-arms, Stephen Colbert, in any order - but I digress. Rosie O'Donnell is someone I wrote off a long time ago as a shallow celebrity groupie, but seeing her on The View has opened my eyes. She's intelligent, well-read, politically astute, socially awake, and very, very tenacious. She speaks for the underdog time after time and holds the line against demeaning gossip. Someone had to take on the insufferable Trump. I don't know much about blogging, but it's clearly an effective way to get your message out there - however wacko.