HI Max: What about Shambles requests?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 02:25 PM

Maybe, Shambles, it's because Janie has the nous to see that the alteration enhanced the title. There do not have to be hidden and convoluted reasons for reasonable people to behave that way. In my opinion you have to believe there are because now people are coming out and saying they don't agree with your stand, in spite of having had the same treatment.

Grow up mate.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 02:50 PM

What dregs? Because threads get edited for clarity and offensive stuff, insults and the like, are deleted?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 03:23 PM

"It is sad that others who have experienced the vintage wine are only prepared to serve you the dregs.

It is also sad that these individuals feel that they are now in a position to deny you the vintage wine and can choose to serve you only the dregs.

Sad also that the expectations of so many posters have been lowered to the point where they are prepared to think themselves grateful to be served only the dregs or rather to have the dregs imposed upon them.

To turn your own, and apparently your only weapon against you Roger, I quote your own words. Talk about boring and repetitive, that load of old dregs is vintage Shambles. Apart from which it is insulting to your so called "fellow posters", volunteers or otherwise. So it would seem invidious to criticise other peoples rudeness and then indulge in it yourself, sort of shooting yourself in the foot as they say.


Giok

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 05:02 PM

But Shambles, we've always done it this way!

~S~

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 10:47 PM

Shatner is more fun.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 11:38 PM

That's a sad statement, but it's true. Yes, Shatner is more fun. Not as much fun as turds, but certainly more fun than So-and-So's "Requests."
-Joe Offer, derided and maligned-

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 11:41 PM

Better rethink the Getaway, Joe. You'd get "unmaligned" right quick.

Janie

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:10 AM

I haven't heard lately- Joe, you are coming to the Getaway, aren't you?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 05:04 AM

Susan - a relative newcomer to our forum who has also been denied the vintage wine - says.

But Shambles, we've always done it this way!

Our forum has most certainly not always done it this way. For if our forum ever had done it this way - many posters would not have posted in the first place or continued to post for so long.....

You may have missed this - as it was inserted by fellow poster Joe Offer as an editing comment and did not refresh the thread. A privilge that is not open to us ordinary posters. And (as evidenced in other examples - if not to be fair - in this one) a privilige much abused by some of our anonymous volunteer fellow posters - who this privilige is open to - who still insist on placing their personal judgements of fellow posters in them - whilst using the word 'we'.

The main danger of inserting this particular informative editing comment into an existing post in this way - is that as it did not refresh this thread - our readers (whose considerations are now said by our anonymous volunteer posters to be most important) may not see it.

The "Origins" tag is added to threads that give the most complete information about a song, including origins information and documented sources. Ordinarily, the tag is added AFTER a thread has developed, depending on the quality of information in the thread. An "origins" thread is roughly equivalent to a DTStudy, except that Origins threads are not edited. If the "origins" thread is used for other purposes, it is changed.

The "Folklore" tag is intended for non-music information (history, linguistics, folklore, culture, etc.) that has a direct relation to music and songs. If the Folklore tag is used for music information, it is changed.
-Joe Offer-

Again there is nothing wrong with making any change to a thread's title or later adding any prefix - but as our forum's current thread creation screen clearly states that the use of any prefix is optional - perhaps it would be better to first obtain the originator's permission before any change or prefix - is imposed by our anonymous volunteer fellow posters?

---

There's really no need to repeat my brown comments, Roger - I put them in brown so people will see them, and I put them in the message they apply to so people can understand what allegation I'm answering without having to read through a dozen of your posts (or, worse yet, without my having to copy-paste your allegations).
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 05:04 AM

It is sad that others who have experienced the vintage wine are only prepared to serve you the dregs.

I never sampled the vintage wine as in early days of Mudcat (mid/late '99 here) but I see the dregs rather differntly to you. My reading of music threads here has dropped to under 6%. This is in part as I as a person get bored more quickly with a lot of things, part I've seen much before, etc. but also as I think there a proportionally far fewer quality threads around. It realy boils down to a changing me and a changing Internet, although it is fair to say my reading habits at Mudcat have changed far more than anywhere else I visit.

For me this actually makes the indexing more important as good threads to me become more and more obscured by the not so good.

One thing is for sure. We can't even roll the clocks back to when I first started, let alone to when Mudcat first started. Mudcat has changed for many of us but the changes you moan about are to some extent changes brought about by adaption in the face of greater changes.

That said I think even if you had an old Mudcat, as the volume of informative musical threads increased, indexing methods would have been introduced to help those who come to the site looking for information.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 06:16 AM

My post was made in reference to your attitude, Roger: one with which I am all too familiar in church life, where people cannot accept that anything has changed, nor needs to. Proving again you cannot comnprehend most U.S. humor.

And I arrived in 2000, thank you very much.

And if newcomers can't have a say in how things are done, GO TO HELL. You have said you yourself don't wish to have a say, but as you've made clear--that's worth about as much as anything else you've said.

~S~

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 06:53 AM

That said I think even if you had an old Mudcat, as the volume of informative musical threads increased, indexing methods would have been introduced to help those who come to the site looking for information.

Perhaps so but would you agree there is a differnce between introduction and imposition? And accept that there are different requirements for the music related threads and the non-music related ones?

Where 'indexing' may indeed be a useful tool for the music-related threads - it is less useful for the non-music related ones. The assumption seems to be currently made that methods that may work for one should be applied to the other.

There does not seem to be enough real recognition that the two are now separated - BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT. Where it may be thought useful that music-related threads are clearly titled - there is less of a need for the non-music related threads to be so. In fact some of the most creative contributions to our forum are now made in the titles that our posters come-up with on the non-music section.

Is there really any need to 'index' - 'combine' - 'consolidate' etc any of these non-music related threads? They may be judged by some to be irritating or many other things - but all that needs to be done in such cases - is to ignore them until they fall off the bottom.

Encouraging all the current passing of judgement upon fellow poster's contributions - is not helpful - for unless there are any serious reasons to impose censorship - the contribution has as much right to remain as posted - as any other contribution. And it will remain on our forum - whatever persoanl judgement may be placed upon it. The object of our forum is discussion. The only choices that any poster needs to make is whether to respond to what is being said or to ignore it...........

But whatever 'indexing' may be thought to be required - and for whatever reason (other than what may be judged to be harmful seriously offensive postings etc) - can be undertaken perfectly adequately - without automatic imposition by our anonymous volunteer fellow posters.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 07:25 AM

You may have missed this editing comment - inserted into the following post by one of our many anonymous volunteer fellow posters and not refreshing this thread.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 05:31 AM

I see yet another imposed thread closure.

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=84039&messages=2

I am sure will see no complaints about this imposition from the originator of this thread or perhaps they will now express a less charitable view of our anonymous volunteer fellow posters?

Yes, Rog-o, as you can see it was redundant and covered by this thread. And no one was talking turds over there, so I exercised editorial control so that we can talk about turds. Stay on subject please. Mudelf

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 09:33 AM

These were the judgements imposed up on Susan's thread when closing it - made not by just one but two of our anonymous volunteer posters - - now hunting in packs - bless them both.

I am closing this. It is redundant and deals with the same issue as two other threads. It will just become another 1000 post thread with nothing new to add. Please use the existing threads.
Thanks, Mudelf

I see you have arrived first. Blessings upon you Mudelf....I have your back!.......FatClone

Does closing a thread because an anonymous volunteer fellow poster - judges there is to be danger of it receiving 1000 posts on a forum set aside by Max for that very purpose - set a rather worrying precedent? If any thread should attract 1000 posts - does our forum not judge the subject to be a popular one on our forum? Where does it say that our anonymous volunteer posters must close fellow poster's threads because they may become popular and before they have a chance to?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 09:34 AM

Joe! No Getaway???? But I wrote a song for you and even made a costume for the performance. Built a PopeMobile and everything! Damn!

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 09:58 AM

They didn't want it becoming another Shambles vintage whine.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 10:14 AM

Who are 'they' and in whose interests are 'they' supposed to be serving?

And why would 'their' wishes and judgement be thought more important now - on our forum - than the wishes of the 1000 potential posters to the thread that 'they' have anonymously imposed closure upon and prevented?

The originator of that thread may take offence and not post again. For if the originator does mot take offence and now agrees with the thread's imposed closure - you may question their reasons for creating the thread in the first place? Or you probably won't....

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Oaklet
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 10:47 AM

Aye, what Shambles said and that, like...

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 11:00 AM

The originator of that thread may take offence and not post again.

I believe you are referring to my thread. My posting history should be enough to assure anyone that the danger of my never posting again is nil! For the record, I leave shortly on vacay, so don't chalk my silence up to having taken offence! :~)

I have already commented at length that I agreed with that thread's closing. In any event, were I to take offence or have any other negative reaction whatsoever, I would follow SITE POLICY and contact JOE OFFER personlly and privately, or via the Help Forum if PM were not an option at that time.

For the record, I do not know who closed it nor do I care. I am confident the clone(s) involved were acting on good authority, in good faith, and with sound judgment.

Pfui!

~Susan

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 11:21 AM

You may have missed this - as it was inserted by fellow poster Joe Offer as an editing comment and did not refresh the thread. A privilge that is not open to us ordinary posters. And (as evidenced in other examples - if not to be fair - in this one) a privilige much abused by some of our anonymous volunteer fellow posters - who this privilige is open to - who still insist on placing their personal judgements of fellow posters in them - whilst using the word 'we'. (Shambles)

That's vintage Shambles though - I think it could have been a tiny bit - improved by inserting "Max has said - don't sweat the rules - for there are none" at any - randomly chosen position. You may have missed it but the juxtaposition of 'fellow poster Joe Offer' with 'anonymous volunteer fellow posters' and of an implicit critique of abusing the word 'we' with the expression 'our anonymous volunteer fellow posters' makes this just another gem from our favourite writer of nonsense posts.

The hard words Catspaw uses somtimes here towards Shambles only show his envy. He slowly realises he has been surpassed by a new master of this art form. That someone else has now perfected his once novel act of using repetition as a mean to transport humour grieves him. But we all have to bow sooner or later to a new master.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 11:28 AM

Where can I buy one of the Mk2 Shambles regurgitating machines? The ability to be able to throw in a couple of hundred words, some punctuation, and a dash of HTML coding, press a button and come out with the same crap in a different order is something I thought was only available to Civil Servants for policy document writing. It's coming on the open market like this is indeed a boon to those of us who can't be bothered to think of anything original to say.
Down with innovation!!
Giok

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 11:31 AM

The solution is simple, folks. We need a Volunteer. Some unselfish soul, with plenty of free time, who can follow Shambles around and "protect" his thread titles, postings, etc. Someone who will send him endless PMs assuring him of their undying and ever-constant vigilance, on his behalf. Someone whom we all know and trust who can attest to the veracity of all which Shambles utters. The Volunteer would be on the fast track to sainthood AND perhaps be good for the soul of Shambles as well, through bringing peace and reassurance in place of delusional paranoia.

As to Vintage Mudcat,no one is deprived. One need only set back the filter to ALL and hang onto their hats as they travel back in time and space to the early days of the unknown frontier...where one may find precious and early discussions and sharings of obscure old tunes and lyrics; creative and hilarious confabs of "what if the hokey-pokey IS what it's all about?" and a whole lot more filled with all kinds of bitching, and pissing, and moaning, but more creative and never as repetitious and boring as now.

So hike up yer trousers/skirts/whathaveyou, and start stompin' those grapes...you'll be transported before ya know it to Immortal Times of the Mudcat thanks to Max and his wonderful machines!

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: BaldEagle2
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 12:15 PM

Kat,

Why you no listen?

We have an army of such volunteers in the DKSS who all want to do exactly what you propose.   I thought I had made that clear in my previous posts.   Possibly not - but if not, only because those secret censors have gone and editted my posts to change their meaning.   (They are like that, you know, being thems and all that).

I shall try to get permission from the members of the DKSS to publish the minutes of our inaugral meeting, and then you will see just how passionate we are in following the philosophies of our great leader.

(I think that getting permission to publish will be a shoe-in, for none of us would want to be seen as some sort of censors or editors).

Regards

BE2

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 12:39 PM

LOL, Wolfgang! Brilliant point.

I have tried applying the very same technique, the "act of using repetition as a means to transport humour", with at least some success (Shatner, hamsters, Hillary Clinton blow-up dolls, Chongo Chimp, etc). I agree that Shambles is approaching absolute mastery of this art form, and he is doing it elegantly through one simple framework by refining that one framework into endless variations of itself. Clever.

I attribute Spaw's downfall to the tragic mistake of using farts as the central buttress of his humour. This was a great strategic error, because farts are simply, to put it bluntly, not very funny...unless you're a ten year old.

Some find that sort of thing irritating or tedious. Others find it hysterically funny. Observe the great comedians of history and you will find that they almost all used the same technique...repetition of easily recognizable images and scenarios.

Classic examples of comedy by repetition: Abbot and Costello, Laurel and Hardy, Charlie Chaplin, Peter Sellers.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 01:15 PM

BE2, I probably missed it because you may not have repeated it ad nauseum through assuming I didn't see the first, second, or third, etc. postings immediately before the cut and paste for the umpteenth time? You know, I have no retention, so things must be said often in as convoluted, yet questioning terms as possible, is this not true also, for you and the others? For, were it not for such repetitions, would we not all miss the exact points made and their oft-repeated-postings, by which that we may gain such insight and then, know that volunteer fellow posters, one and all, are the scum of the earth and we must not follow by example? Or, is it then to be assumed, as volunteer fellow (no dames allowed!)posters, we are ALL of us, we few, we legion, we many thousands, one and all Scum, damned forever to ride 'neath the streets of Boston to never return, whilst reading endless loops of the same cut and pastes over and over and over and over and over...

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:11 PM

What katlaughing said. I would add that the plural of scum is 'scums'. Perhaps we could discuss this?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:15 PM

Would you use it in the plural - I had a quick think and couldn't come up with any use for it.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:24 PM

Like in scumsucking?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:33 PM

Scumspewing.

~S~

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:40 PM

Scums of the World, Unite!! (Do we get to do trad crafts, i.e. scumshaw?)

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:41 PM

Oh, that's definitely better, Wysi. Perhaps impugning people's integrity and competence could come under that designation? Without insulting, you understand.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:42 PM

We can all go scumpering away to the Getaway!

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:46 PM

If you hang around Mudcat long enough you can get a PhS-- Docotr of Scumology-- and become a scumologist. (The lesser degree only takes you to being a Licensed Scumicist.)

~S~

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:48 PM

People not of native extraction in this country cannot legally purchase or retain (except by gift from Native Americans) any 'modern' (post 1972) ivory but scumshaw created by Native artists is legal and very desirable.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 03:04 PM

skim, scam, scum?

I never seem to get the changes in the language as fast as you young sprouts.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 03:25 PM

The water was covered in several different scums.
G..

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 03:40 PM

Don't fret, Bill D- you've got it: Skim, scam, scum... See? They're all related in a natural sequence.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 05:13 PM

Proving again you cannot comnprehend most U.S. humor.

Susan - comprehending most U.S. humour - is not very difficult for anyone.

Considering certain examples of U.S. humour displayed here - to be very funny - is not really the same thing.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 05:31 PM

Roger, that's an extremely offensive remark. It demonstrates a persistence in disrepecting U.S./UK cultural differences. Oh I know only YOU can judge us all, but you're wrong. Again!

~S~

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 05:50 PM

Sham likes benny hill, nyah, nyah, nyah.


That offend you, Roger? I wouldn't begin to blanket all UKers in one bed.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 06:03 PM

Susan - your accusation is as absurd as it is groundless. For your judgement that I had 'proved again that I cannot comprehend most U.S. humour' - was made first - was your judgement - not also 'disrepecting U.S./UK cultural differences'?

You have perhaps shown that you have no comprehension of when someone may be 'pulling your leg'. *Smiles*

You may have missed this. It was inserted into an existing post so as not to refresh this thread.

There's really no need to repeat my brown comments, Roger - I put them in brown so people will see them, and I put them in the message they apply to so people can understand what allegation I'm answering without having to read through a dozen of your posts (or, worse yet, without my having to copy-paste your allegations).
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Oaklet
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 06:08 PM

Aye, right - that Shambles, right - like he says. like. Canny, that bugger, like. So what he says, I agree, like. Champion.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 07:57 PM

huh?

Bewildered in Amurica..

Jerry

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 08:02 PM

Oh yeah!!!!!!! One time an anonymouse clone (ackshally, it was Joe) changed my spelling of Amurica to America in a thread title with the totally preposterous claim that if someone tried to access the thread typing in "America" that they wouldn't be able to find it. Have you EVER heard of such blatant, contemptuous, condescending, outrageous insensitivity. That Joe, boy!!!!!!! He must really be a jerk! And he doesn't even use his right name (Which is Nimrod Rozenkrantz.) I've never been so offended in my life.

This place used to be vintage wine.

Now it's vintage whine.

Grossly offended in Derby

Jerry

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 10:49 PM

I knew "Joe Offer" had to be ficticious! Must have been his under-cover gummint name when he was goin' around investigatin' folks!

When's your birthday, Nimrod?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 02:26 AM

Harumpf!

Well, my birthday, such as it is, is sometime in August. It happens once a year, usually with little note (since nobody knows when it is, exactly). Me and the Missus went to a swanky hotel in South Tahoe for the occasion this year, though. We had a suit...er, suite.

Nimrod Rosenkrantz
(watch the spelling!~!)

496

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 02:32 AM

Actualy, with no wish to slight my dear colleague Mr Rosenkrantz, the brains behind the operation is none other than myself. Dionyssos K Gildenstern is my real name. I'm the notorious Greek gangster from Jutland, you know.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 02:45 AM

Funny, "Gildenstern" doesn't sound Greekish. Are you sure that's not "Guildenstern"?
Aren't you the one that's dead??
498

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 02:47 AM

The temptation is hard to resist....
499

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 02:47 AM

500!

I feel a strong urge to gloat.
Where's Flamenco Ted when you need him?
-Joe Offer, Victoriously-