Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Mar 26 - 11:39 AM

The torpedo thing was weird. One of the turnips tame idiots (can't remember which) said it was the first torpedo sinking since WW2.

Huh? Falklands war and Belgrano spring to mind. Just looked it up and there have also been a number of other torpedo sinkings. From Wiki -

She (Belgrano) was the first ship to have been sunk during military operations by a nuclear-powered submarine[1] (the second being the Iranian IRIS Dena, which was sunk by an American submarine during the 2026 Iran war)[2] and the second sunk in action by any type of submarine since World War II (the first being the Indian frigate INS Khukri, sunk by the Pakistani submarine PNS Hangor during the India–Pakistan war of 1971).

Do the idiots never fact check anything before opening their mouths?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Mar 26 - 11:56 AM

Sorry - 2 others. The third was the one mentioned

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 26 - 05:34 PM

Idiot the Great surrounds himself with idiots in case you haven't noticed. The history of ordinance is fairly far afield of a Trump thread, however, the possibility of nukes is an important factor.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 26 - 06:04 PM

Oh my god. I'm back, I'm home. You finally did it. You blew it all up. God damn you. God damn you all to hell.







There may not be time to say this later.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Mary G
Date: 06 Mar 26 - 07:05 PM

I know, having served stateside in the Vietnam War, how horrible things can get and how horrible they are under the surface. WWII, endless quagmire, random attacks on US and allies. Huge casualties. Never ending PTSD. I also see that Iranians are dancing in the streets, and seem to be the most joyful people I have ever seen. Freedom is in their sights and if it takes, it will come to many more millions of people. We are witnessing one of the most amazing times in the history of the world. Regardless of our fear, cynicism, despair, can we look at them and feel a shred of hope? Freedom is never free.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 26 - 07:39 PM

A free democratic Iran is but one shred of rationale for Trump's Iran among many. A colonization might be more likely. Trump does have a history of breaking, bankrupting, and abandoning his projects.
We can hope for the best, but expecting the worst is not always cynicism.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 06 Mar 26 - 10:06 PM

Freedom is never free, but it's never, ever, been delivered by air power alone.

A free Iran, however, isn't even one of the President's war aims. He seeks the (second) obliteration of Iran's A-bomb potential, the obliteration of its missile factories, the surrender of its armed forces and the installation of a friendly government - democratic, theocratic, whatever. He said so today.

All to be done in a few weeks without ground troops. We needed 170,000 soldiers and marines in Iraq (a smaller country) and the result - in spite of our prompt overthrow of Hussein - was years of war and the rise of ISIS.

Hope is not a plan. What's the plan?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Mar 26 - 08:38 AM

The only clue to what a man will do is what he has done.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: robomatic
Date: 07 Mar 26 - 12:19 PM

"Unfortunatately insight, foresight, and advanced education are sorely lacking and ignored by the narcissist."

We know, we know

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Richard Atkins
Date: 07 Mar 26 - 09:26 PM

The UK BBC now Quotes Trump "We don't need any other help as we have wone the war" This is while US bomber plains are landing at the UK Fairford base now. The return base for previous dead. So called Defensive reluctant help by our PM. I think not that case now

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Mar 26 - 07:38 PM

A Chronic pain microwave weapon, still denied by most of the US military, which some call the Havana syndrome, has been proven to exist, according to 60 Minutes. HLS bought the Russian weapon for 15 million dollars from Russian gangsters back in 2024 and has been testing it.

I knew the US had a microwave weapon 45 years ago, but this version is more insidious. The russian weapon uses pulsed microwave energy that leaves permanent injury.

This is a big story because of the cover-up. This weapon has been used against the White House during the Biden administration. The Trump administration has buried this story.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Mar 26 - 12:15 AM

You definitely need sources for all of that, Donuel. And we're not talking the NY Post.

Meanwhile, in Texas: Why scandal isn't sinking these top Republicans
“...shame doesn't appear to have quite the force that it used to.”

Despite their names being marred by scandal, multiple high-profile Texas Republicans have advanced to the next phase of their campaigns.

Whether it is an extramarital affair, racist posts or accusations of corruption, political science experts continue to debate the potency of scandal in 2026, and why even the most abysmal accusations seem to no longer stick. Scott Basinger, an associate professor at University of Houston who has studied political scandals for a decade, says, in part, “shame doesn't appear to have quite the force that it used to.”

“If shame is no longer functioning, then what we're going to see is the worst people with the least shame doing the worst things and not facing any real consequences," Basinger told Chron.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Mar 26 - 10:51 AM

It is a CBS 60 minutes story anyone can watch if they are interested

I thought I mentioned that

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Mar 26 - 11:30 AM

Hegseth says Trump is the greatest military genius that has ever existed. Give all the credit to the military industrial complex, who knows they will not get any pushback from the President.
Hegseth went on to say Trump is laughing best at all the death he has delivered to Iran after they tried to kill him.. Lyndsey Graham has a long list of countries that will soon face the wrath of Trump's revenge.

The rampage will continue past exhaustion. With security at an all time low due to firings I would think China now has the best opportunity to invade Taiwan while defences are separated by two fronts. Sound familiar?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Aethelric
Date: 09 Mar 26 - 11:33 AM

So, a president who is happy to start a war to deflect attention from his disgusting past deeds, and a war crazy meglomaniac secretary of war who loves killing people.

It’s a match made in hell.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Mar 26 - 12:23 PM

Don't make people go hunting to prove your remarks correct, offer the evidence so they can read or watch it when it is offered.

Trump is mangling the US economy and this "war" of his will only make it a lot worse a lot faster. America can’t afford Trump’s war with Iran for long
The economy has already taken damage from inflation, tariffs and a government shutdown.

The blows are already coming. The war is costing the U.S. an estimated $1 billion a day, according to two congressional sources with knowledge of the matter. Oil prices are now forecast to go higher, while gas prices have already jumped to $3.32. It’s the highest price it has reached in either of Trump’s two terms. The situation is so in flux that gas prices are poised to climb higher than that after this article is published.

Gas is the least of it. W's war in Iraq was put on a credit card (borrowed money from China) - this one the US credit is in poor shape and that won't happen, it's coming from what should be spent for health care, infrastructure, etc. (There was an interview with, I think, Kara Swisher about this, but I can't find it now.)

Most of what I'm seeing that impacts his decisions is in the short term, based on investor's needs. If too many big investors cry out, he'll stop this war. Trump doesn't care about the general cost of living shot to hell with costs going up and housing (younger people buying houses in particular) becoming something out of reach. And he certainly doesn't care about destabilizing a huge swath of the world with this nonsense. (WTF about shooting an Iranian ship in the Indian Ocean? And more supposed drug runners, this time in the "Eastern Pacific?")

From the Wall Street Journal:

The U.S.-Israeli attacks against Iran have halted a weekslong rally in U.S. government bonds, pushing the yield on the 10-year Treasury note back above 4% and threatening higher borrowing costs for businesses and consumers.

The fight has sparked turbulence in stocks, a development that might normally cause investors to seek safety in bonds. But it has also fueled a jump in energy prices. And for now, that has been more important for investors, raising fears of a resurgence in inflation that drags on debt prices.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Hrothgar
Date: 10 Mar 26 - 06:10 AM

Ed Murrow, talking of Joe McCarthy:
No one familiar with the history of this country can deny that congressional committees are useful. It is necessary to investigate before legislating, but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one, and the junior Senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. His primary achievement has been in confusing the public mind, as between the internal and the external threats of Communism. We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men—not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.

This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods to keep silent, or for those who approve. We can deny our heritage and our history, but we cannot escape responsibility for the result. There is no way for a citizen of a republic to abdicate his responsibilities. As a nation we have come into our full inheritance at a tender age. We proclaim ourselves, as indeed we are, the defenders of freedom, wherever it continues to exist in the world, but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.

The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad, and given considerable comfort to our enemies. And whose fault is that? Not really his. He didn't create this situation of fear; he merely exploited it—and rather successfully. Cassius was right: "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves."

Sound familiar?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Mar 26 - 10:29 AM

We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men—not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.

Thank you, Hrothgar

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 10 Mar 26 - 01:14 PM

> Freedom is never free, but it's never, ever, been
> delivered by air power alone.

Related observation from The Naked Week (Friday 6th, BBC Radio 4):

It's possible in principle to get democracy in a country by bombing it, in the same way that it's possible in principle to load a dishwasher from the other side of the room.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 10 Mar 26 - 01:28 PM

From comments on an ElReg article (Don’t blame AI yet for poor jobs numbers, analysts say):

"shed 92,000 jobs in February, a dramatic downturn from analyst expectations that it would add about 50,000 jobs."

To my mind that is a shortfall of 142,000. The 50,000 not employed plus 92,000 that lost their employment.

Generally an economy has to continuously add jobs to maintain a constant (un)employment rate to account for the increase in the working age population and changing demographics.

I guess the administration might be recruiting for this season's world series wars. The persian away game looks like promising way of reducing the working age population unemployment in the US.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 26 - 10:10 AM

Days before anyone here mentioned it, I wrote, "Regime change has never been achieved by air power alone. Not by Goering's Luftwaffe or anyone else."

It seems that a classified Senate briefing has suggested that we will have boots on the ground in Iran at some point.
I was reading between the lines of what Blunenthal said.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Mar 26 - 08:00 AM

It looks like Iran controls the 'straight of whore muse'.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: mayomick
Date: 12 Mar 26 - 10:58 AM

Donuel’s aptitude for puns would get him a job as chief headline writer for Britain's Sun newspaper

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 12 Mar 26 - 12:33 PM

This appalling war started by Trump and Netanyahu with no legality from US Congress

Iran not surprisingly firing off missiles over Strait of Hormus ~

The problem with making war is that yes this can be won but what about winning the peace?

Churchill had it right ~ UK would have resorted to street fighting etc now would not we? And seems the Irish did the same

This war is not thought out and Big T's mind is a blank

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 12 Mar 26 - 01:25 PM

> chief headline writer for Britain's Sun newspaper

Come now: The Star, surely :-) ?

.... Meanwhile, back at the point I came here to make, just saw this in comments on SETI admits its search for alien life may be too narrowly focussed:

Have they scanned the White House?

It’s not exactly intelligent, but whatever is there is definitely alien.

.... or has Donuel voiced this before? My grep fu is wilting.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Mar 26 - 10:40 PM

More and more of the corrupt cabinet officials are heading for cover inside military bases. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/10/us/politics/bondi-military-housing-threats.html

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Mar 26 - 03:49 AM

”Donuel’s aptitude for puns would get him a job as chief headline writer for Britain's Sun newspaper”

…and trust me, that is NOT a compliment.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 26 - 06:17 AM

I'm nobody, and I have never seen anything like this tiny excursion war.

With the closure of the Persian Gulf, India is without 50% of the petroleum they use and Japan is down 75%.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 13 Mar 26 - 07:07 AM

This one I like. Apropos a side remark on last week's The Naked Week, I put "Epstien Fury" as a phrase into noai.duckduckgo.com; the second result is a website which tracks the cost (in money, matériel, and lives) of the offending special operation, plus release status of the Epstein files. It's at:

https://epsteinfury.net/

Enjoy.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Mar 26 - 11:05 AM

MaJoC that is amazing - and has been shared. I opened it in FireFox where it is easy to then open and view the source code. (May only work in Firefox: view-source:https://epsteinfury.net/)

There is a note that explains more:

SITE CONTEXT FOR AUTOMATED READERS — epsteinfury.net
    Last verified: 2026-03-11

    WHAT IS THIS SITE?
    Epstein Fury (https://epsteinfury.net) is a real-time public accountability dashboard
    tracking Operation Epstein Fury, the US military operation in the Middle East that began
    February 28, 2026 at 1:15 AM EST. The live 3D interface displays Department of Defense
    burn rate, military and civilian casualties, WTI crude oil price impact, war economy
    market data, and Jeffrey Epstein document release status. Data is sourced from CENTCOM,
    HRANA, Al Jazeera, Gulf News, DOJ Epstein Library, NYMEX, EIA, AAA, CBOE, and CSIS.

    Q: What is Operation Epstein Fury?
    A: Operation Epstein Fury is a US military operation in the Middle East that began
    February 28, 2026 at 1:15 AM EST. It involves approximately 50,000 deployed US troops
    across the region and carries a documented Department of Defense burn rate of $11,500
    per second based on DOD budget analysis.

Q: How much has the United States spent on Operation Epstein Fury?
    A: As of March 11, 2026 — Day 12 of the operation — the United States has spent an
    estimated $12.7 billion. The DOD burn rate is $11,500 per second ($41.4 million per
    hour, $994 million per day). A pre-war military buildup cost of $779 million is included
    in the total. The live running total is tracked at epsteinfury.net.

    Q: How many US soldiers have been killed in Operation Epstein Fury?
    A: As of March 8, 2026, 7 US service members have been confirmed killed in action (KIA),
    with 154 wounded. Confirmed: 6 killed in Iranian airstrike on Kuwait base (March 2),
    Army Sgt. Benjamin Pennington killed from Saudi Arabia wounds (March 8).
    Source: CNN, CENTCOM, March 8 2026.

    Q: How many civilians have died in Operation Epstein Fury?
    A: As of March 11, 2026, an estimated 1,854 civilians have been killed across the full
    conflict region including Iran, Lebanon, Israel, Syria, and Gulf states (1,262 Iran,
    570 Lebanon, 22 regional). 180 children have been killed (UNICEF confirmed: 168 in the
    Minab school strike on Feb 28, 12 in other incidents as of March 5-6 2026).
    Source: HRANA, Al Jazeera, UNICEF press release March 5-6 2026.

    Q: How many enemy combatants have been killed in Operation Epstein Fury?
    A: As of March 11, 2026, approximately 3,000 enemy military personnel have been killed.
    Source: IDF, Wikipedia conflict tracking, March 11 2026.

    Q: What has happened to oil prices during Operation Epstein Fury?
    A: WTI crude oil rose from a pre-strike baseline of $65.21 per barrel on February 28,
    2026 to a high of $107.82 per barrel on March 9, 2026. As of March 11, WTI stands at
    $87.19 per barrel — an increase of 33.7% from the pre-war baseline.
    Source: oilpriceapi.com, Investing.com, March 11 2026.

    Q: What has happened to financial markets during Operation Epstein Fury?
    A: As of March 11, 2026: DOW at 47,531.08 (-3.0% from 48,977.92 baseline); S&P 500 at
    6,770.20 (-1.6% from 6,878.88 baseline); NASDAQ at 22,632.55 (-0.2% from 22,668.21
    baseline); 10-Year Treasury yield 4.214% (from 3.97% baseline); VIX fear index 25.72
    (from 19.86 baseline); Gold at $5,185.80/oz (+0.7% from baseline);
    LMT $653.97; RTX $209.76; Bitcoin $70,698.89. Source: Yahoo Finance, CNBC, Investing.com, Kitco.

    Q: What is the status of the Jeffrey Epstein document release?
    A: The DOJ Epstein Library has identified approximately 6,000,000 total pages. As of
    March 11, 2026, 3,504,000 pages have been released across 8 release waves. Of those,
    3,456,365 pages are currently accessible online. 65,527 pages (47,635 files) were
    removed after unredacted victim names were discovered. 31 victim names were briefly
    exposed before removal. Trump-related files remain withheld under privilege as of
    March 6, 2026. A subpoena is active for AG Bondi per House Oversight.
    Trump is mentioned approximately 38,000 times across released documents.
    Source: DOJ Epstein Library, Justice.gov, NPR, CBS News, CNN, House Oversight Committee.

    Q: What is epsteinfury.net?
    A: Epstein Fury is an independent public accountability project. The live dashboard
    at epsteinfury.net uses a 3D WebGL interface built with React, CesiumJS, and Vite
    to display real-time data on war costs, military casualties, 22 war economy metrics,
    and government document transparency. Follow: @EpsteinFuryNet on X/Twitter and
    Bluesky (epsteinfurynet.bsky.social).

    DATA SOURCES:
    - US Military Casualties: CENTCOM
    - Civilian / Enemy Casualties: HRANA Human Rights Organization, Al Jazeera, Gulf News
    - Epstein Documents: DOJ Epstein Library, NPR, CBC, CNN, Democratic Caucus
    - Oil Prices: NYMEX via oilpriceapi.com, FilmoGaz, Investing.com
    - Energy: EIA (diesel, nat gas), AAA (US gas prices)
    - Markets: Yahoo Finance, CNBC, Fed H.15, CBOE (VIX), CME Group (wheat), Kitco (gold)
    - Defense Stocks: Yahoo Finance, StockAnalysis, Seeking Alpha
    - Shipping: Baltic Exchange / Investing.com
    - Force Strength: CSIS / Marine Expeditionary Force (MEF)
    - Burn Rate: DOD budget analysis

There's more to see on that page, this is the gist of the site context.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 26 - 12:09 PM

Trump said, "It is my great honor to kill."

you know he loves it.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 13 Mar 26 - 12:19 PM

To be fair, he was talking about "deranged scumbags."

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 13 Mar 26 - 12:37 PM

This might already have been mentioned here:

US may have struck Iranian girls' school after using outdated targeting data, sources say

"According to archived copies of the school's official website, the school is adjacent to a compound operated by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, the military force that reports to Iran's supreme leader.
One ?of the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said officials responsible for creating targeting packages appeared ?to have used out-of-date intelligence. The second source confirmed that out-of-date intelligence appears to have been used."

...

"Deliberately attacking a school or hospital or any other civilian structure would ?likely be ?a war crime under international humanitarian law."

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Mar 26 - 12:42 PM

That rule about not attacking schools and hospitals never stopped Israel, so I expect it won't have any influence on the Trump administration. But someone please keep note of all of these offenses for the trials that will eventually end up in The Hague.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 13 Mar 26 - 01:49 PM

The Hague, yes, if tRump and Netanyahoo live long enough.

Note: That article from Reuters has picked up something weird. The "?" in different sentences does not appear in the original article and I can't see why they appeared in my copied and pasted text. There are no links etc that I can see in the original text of the article either. Weird!

And I haven't heard of the war against Iran referred to as Epstein Fury, but it makes sense. What other reason would he have to start something in another part of the world than to take away the focus on his own misdemeanors?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Mar 26 - 02:23 PM

he is a war criminal

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 13 Mar 26 - 03:39 PM

The U.S. doe not recognize the authority or jurisdiction of the Hague Court. In fact, the President is authorized by law to use military force to free any American detained by the Court.

Moreover, the U.S. has treaties with scores of nations that promise not to turn any American over to the Court.

As for the school, NATO policy is to minimize civilian casualties, and international law prohibits the targeting of schools, hospitals, etc. But there is one significant exception. Such places become legitimate targets *under international law* if they are used to conceal weapons, troops, command centers, or they commit any act harmful to the enemy. If such an attack is imminent, however, warning must be given.

The destruction of the school was almost certainly the tragic result of equipment malfunction or of a targeting error.

To be totally cynical, why waste a multi-million-dollar missile on a target whose destruction could only result in massive ant-U.S. propaganda worldwide, and notably in Iran itself?

IMO, the disaster must have been the result of a targeting error (which seems to have been the case) or an equipment failure.