BS: Has the U.S. been defeated?

Subject: RE: BS: Has the U.S. been defeated?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 10:33 PM

Enough verses - time for another chorus.

Remember, the tune is 'Will the circle be unbroken'

Subject: RE: BS: Has the U.S. been defeated?
From: number 6
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 10:34 PM

That's a great song Foole!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Has the U.S. been defeated?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 10:46 PM

"Such was the revulsion against the military at the war's end in Japan that the new civilian administration attempted to fairly much legislate the armed forces out of existence. They learned something from WWII."

... but not to be forgotten in all this, was the fact that Uncle Sam was, once again, sticking his dick in the whole process...

Subject: RE: BS: Has the U.S. been defeated?
From: Slag
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 01:05 AM

Peace. I've got news for you. We are IN WW3. We were attacked every bit as severly as Pearl Harbor, more so. We are in a war like no other. And here's a news flash. ANYONE who goes to war, offense or defense understands or should understand (as no American President since Truman has understood) that there is no substitute for victory. And GEE, did Hitler really say that? Does that make it automatically NOT TRUE?? What do you on the left use for brains? If Hitler said the Earth circles the Sun would we have to go back to a geo-centric planetary system?

The fact that my head is still on my shoulders and I am typing in English let's me know that No, the US has not been defeated---YET. But if the little termites on the left keep gnawing away unchecked then, Yes we COULD lose this war.

And before you go off on Bush or some other tangent you might consider that war is not a contest to see who's government ist most pure and holy and correct and righteous, ad nauseum. It is a matter of survival. If we survive and at not too great of a cost then you can play your little finger pointing game and blame whoever doesn't belong to your political party. But, if the cost is high or we lose, then I think you are going to be a little too busy to worry about blame. Wake up and quit trying to saw off the limb you are perched upon.

Subject: RE: BS: Has the U.S. been defeated?
From: GUEST,thew
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 01:11 AM

Who exactly has attacked us, Slag? Are you referring to 911? If so, who do you intend to fight and defeat in this war? Which country? Where and how?

What makes you think you even know who planned and carried out 911? Where is your proof?

You're taking the word of your leaders as to who it was. They may be lying.

Can your leaders be trusted to be totally honest about that? Or about anything?

What if you are on the wrong side in the upcoming war and your leaders planned and started it in the first place?

Then where does your "no substitute for victory" take us? That was probably why the comparison to Hitler was drawn, wouldn't you think?

Subject: RE: BS: Has the U.S. been defeated?
From: kendall
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 07:11 AM

I don't give a rodent's rump if you are a republican, democrat, poligamist or pedestrian, we are in a quagmire just like Viet Nam, and that moron in the White House even admitted that we could not win a military victory over there. He said it on national tv, and I heard and saw him say it. So, why are we still there? Because he doesn't know how to get us out of it.

His press conference last week said it all when that reporter asked "What did Iraq have to do with 9/11"? and he answered, "NOTHING."

Ever wonder why Canada hasn't been attacked? Or Ireland? How about Denmark? Is it because they keep their noses out of other countries business?

The latest poll says 60% of Americans are against the war, ok, why the hell are we wasting our young people on a lost cause? So, that puppet government we set up over there is not strong enough to fight the insurgents on its own. What does that tell you?
How the hell can we "win" when we train Iraquis only to have them take their training and defect to the other side? Recently, some of them robbed a bank!

Even Senator McCain has come out in public and ragged on Bush for his handling of the war.When will the rest of us wake up?

Subject: RE: BS: Has the U.S. been defeated?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 07:59 AM

Guest: 27 August 7:57

Nice original imaginative writing.

This forum does not encourage lengthy cut & paste postings (see the FAQ). Google shows 38 hits for a search on a sizeable chunk of your post. A link to one of those would seem much more appropriate.

Of course, if you truly are Lietenant Joe Repya, then your comments are welcome, but you could have written something new here rather than repeating exactly what you've written so many times elsewhere.

CHEERS
Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Has the U.S. been defeated?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 08:07 AM

"If Hitler said the Earth circles the Sun would we have to go back to a geo-centric planetary system?"

Even Hitler realised that the previous attempt to enforce that did not work - due to ineffective enforcement...

Subject: RE: BS: Has the U.S. been defeated?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 08:17 AM

Don't worry Slag, Society is a balance - the little termites chewing away on the left are nicely balanced by the incompetent dickheads dancing away on the right.

Subject: RE: BS: Has the U.S. been defeated?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 10:27 AM

"In war there's no substitute for victory"

General Douglas MacArthur said it.


Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Has the U.S. been defeated?
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 12:04 PM

Although I don't support this "war" (which it's not because there has been no declaration of war), or this administration, I'd like to provide a little balance.

Although currently we do use most of the resources and could stand to go on a healthy diet, not too long ago it was the British Empire, the Ottoman Empire, the Roman Empire, Egyptian, Greek, etc. down the line. And the way things are looking it will soon be China and India outstripping the U.S. The fact is the U.S. is just a holder of a historical position. There will always be someone who needs more, wants more, or uses more than anyone else.

The same is true for the U.S. sticking its nose into others business. This is only a historical position that has been held by any colonial power over history.

Should we have stayed home during WWI and WWII? Should we have finished WWII and then just walked away without the Marshall Plan?
Suddenly all of our allies who were greatful for our presence after WWII when that mean old Soviet Bear was hanging over Europe now blame us for all the meddling that we did that held the Soviets in place.

Sure things have not always worked out in the best humanitarian and worldly wise ways for the U.S. but neither did they work for any of the other historic "world powers".

Also, did I not hear that the U.S. should be in Darfur? And from someones remarks that we aren't treating Iran, China or Korea the same way we did Iraq does that mean we should or should we just bow out and wait for them to arrive at our doorstep if they decide to start acquiring resources by force?

We need to get out of Iraq, but I don't see anyone else stepping forward to really do anything about any of the other situations.

Subject: RE: BS: Has the U.S. been defeated?
From: GUEST,thew
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 01:31 PM

If you lose the war...and everyone does lose a war now and then...there IS a substitute for victory. It's called "rebuilding".

It's also called "admitting we made a mistake, admitting we lost, and getting on with life". If you're so fixated on the size of your damn balls that you find admitting to such things as losing completely unthinkable, well, too bad. Kill yourself then, like the Japanese did when they lost battles. Go out in a blaze of glory, you idiot. It is not unthinkable to admit you've lost, unless you're a damn fool with too much pride to be rational and admit he, like others, can make a mistake now and then.

Most people have to do it some time, so get used to it. America doesn't deserve to win this war, because they started it themselves, and over absolutely nothing. Well, nothing they were willing to publicly admit to, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Has the U.S. been defeated?
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 07:49 PM

thew, perhaps you are right, but not in George Bush's (political) lifetime.
In fact if he were martyred all the mistakes they should have learned from, would be forgotten.

onward christian soldiers, you are fighting for W's memory and honor.

on second thought if w were martyred, Cheney would have a heart attack and the Supreme Court would elect another bozo in yet another precedent setting fiasco ;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Has the U.S. been defeated?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 07:56 PM

710 !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Has the U.S. been defeated?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 01:22 PM

Stroupe:
If you got that Casus Belli from a shrub I suggest you change your whole viewpoint

CHEERS
Nigel