BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!

Subject: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 12:28 PM

Hezbollah gets veto power in Lebanese government

1 hour, 13 minutes ago



BEIRUT, Lebanon - Lebanon's prime minister has formed a national unity Cabinet in which Hezbollah and its allies have veto power over government decisions.

Prime Minister Fuad Saniora had been struggling to form a government since former army chief Gen. Michel Suleiman was elected president in May.

Saniora announced the Cabinet formation Friday in Beirut.

Hezbollah's veto power was part of an Arab League-brokered deal to achieve compromise between the U.S. and Western-backed parliamentary majority and Hezbollah-led opposition.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 01:24 PM

Oh, Bearded one, when I saw the title of this thread, I thought you had erred in writing "piece". I see you didn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 04:34 PM

How large are the pieces? Did Hezbollah get the biggest?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: artbrooks
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 06:48 PM

Lebanese piece? Sorry!! I'll crawl back in my hole!

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 07:21 PM

artbrooks--don't you ever apologize for that!!!!!Does she sort of remind you of the White Rock (Beverage) nymph logo?


White Rock Beverage

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 01:08 PM

Blimey, John, when were they allowed to get 'em out on beer bottles? I must say the one where they are covered up BY beer bottles tickled me most!

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: DougR
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 06:02 PM

bearded bruce: and you think that's good?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 08:07 PM

I won't hold my breath.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 08:16 PM

Dave--I hope your pacemaker didn't surge when you visited that site. When I was a kid in the 1940s and '50s, WR sodas were readily available on the Sunset Coast. But we creep away from the theme of this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 02:47 PM

DougR,

Not at all. I am just giving info for all those who told me that letting the UN do it was the way to go....


BTW, what has ANY country other than Israel done to implement the UN mandated Truce terms?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 08:40 AM

refresh


Well, Now Israel has traded both live prisoners and dead ones for the bodies of the two soldiers that the UN Truce terms says shouls have been returned.

So, what has ANY country other than Israel done to implement the UN Truce terms?


Still waiting...

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 09:34 AM

I wouldn't go holding your breath for the "usual terrorist" apologists BB. Besides we should both know by now that agreements entered into are only applicable to the side, who actually have respect for the rule of law and order. While Israel has implemented in full it's obligations under the UN brokered ceasefire agreement as defined by United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701.

Just remind the apologists for terror what was involved, remembering of course that the resolution was approved by both the Lebanese and Israeli governments:

- The Resolution called for disarmament of Hezbollah;
- For the withdrawal of Israel from Lebanon;
- For the deployment of Lebanese soldiers in southern Lebanon;
- For the deployment of an enlarged United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) force in southern Lebanon;

- Israel's blockade of Lebanon was lifted on 8th September 2006;
- The Lebanese army began deploying in southern Lebanon on 17 August 2006;
- Israeli troops withdrew from Lebanon 1st October 2006;

- Since the enactment of UNSCR 1701 both the Lebanese government and UNIFIL have stated that they will not disarm Hezbollah.

Enforcement of the UN embargo on supply of arms to militias operating in Lebanon has been totally ignored, by Lebanon, by Syria, by Iran and by the UN itself.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,yahoo
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 07:31 AM

what peace in the Middle East, with the israelies on you border, and most of the want to turn the middle east into a muslim free zone if they could just like the Nazis tried in Europe. History repeating itself I think. but then there will be people that don't like what I have written here but that what it looks to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 07:35 AM

Guest, Yahoo:

If you can read, try looking at the populations of countries in the Middle East:

Israel has a far larger percentage of Moslims than any other country has of Jews.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,yahho
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 07:55 AM

beardedbruce,

well tell that to jews then.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,yahoo
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 07:59 AM

sorry the some of the people of Israel then, because they tell every Jew in the world that they must make Israel their home, because their God has told them this which is rubbish, because they don't beleive in God because they killed him, Jesus was God, but then I'm just talking rubbish according to you, but as they always say the truth hurts doesn't it!

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 07:59 AM

Well, yes. They mostly came from Europe and settled in a Muslim land.
They wanted to do what the Europeans did when they came here but the land there cost more than $24 dollars in beads and so far, they have not been able to create a trail of tears. Though that does not seem to be for want of trying.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 08:48 AM

Jack,

How much of Mandate Palestine should be reserved for Moslims?

Given that it was established as the Jewish Homeland, give me the percent you would allow the Jews to settle in.


And how many Jews were driven out of "Moslim" nations? (Hint: More than the number of Moslims who decided to leave Israel, even though they were invited to stay.)

The case that the Moslim nations have tried a lot harder to make their countries ( and others)"juden raus" than Israel has tried to remove Moslims from Israel.


Guest, Yahoo,

You make false claims without any facts. Come back when you can present information based on the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 08:54 AM

sorry- "judenrein"

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: pdq
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 09:03 AM

"...because they tell every Jew in the world that they must make Israel their home..."

Never heard that before. Just make it up, GUEST,yahoo?

"... Jew(s) don't beleive in God because they killed him, Jesus was God..."

Again, not exactly an informed opinion. The Romans considered Jesus a threat to their power and executed him. Crucifiction was used by the Romans many times, not just to rid their empire of Jesus.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,yahoo
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 09:24 AM

read the bible (the new testiment) (The Gospels) but then the Jews put the blame on the romans anyawy, and then they could turn around and say it wasn't us, we never did that did we.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,yahoo
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 09:26 AM

Oh by the way I'm a Christian and I do read the Bible, and I know the story about the Jews wanting to get rid of Jesus, but not to have blood on their hands because God wouldn't like that, they got to Romans to do their dirty work.

Mat/Mark/Luke and John

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 09:42 AM

Matt. 24:23


Go away

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: Alice
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 10:11 AM

Piece? serious spelling failure

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 10:22 AM

nope

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 11:09 AM

In what way does this development violate the truce terms?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 01:08 PM

other than by NOT disarming Hezboallah, as the truce requires ( which is why they got veto power- by force) not at all.

Bu then I will guess you approve of forceful takeovers of governments, as long as it is by those you approve of.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 01:15 PM

Putting words in my mouth doesn't accomplish anything. I think I'll do a little research on whether or not there is any truth to these charges.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 01:21 PM

Please do- and let me know about the blockade required by the UN to prevent resupply of those missiles that Hezboallh now has three times as many of... You know, the one required by ALL member nations, such as Iran, Syria, and Lebanon?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 01:54 PM

Carol,

Might want to start here:

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N06/465/03/PDF/N0646503.pdf?OpenElement

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 01:57 PM

That link doesn't work. Not to worry, though, I'm confident I will be able to research this effectively.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 02:04 PM

Sorry- I'll get another...http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/unsc_resolutions06.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: goatfell
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 02:51 PM

1. You shall have no other Gods but me.
   2. You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.
   3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
   4. You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
   5. Respect your father and mother.
   6. You must not kill.
   7. You must not commit adultery.
   8. You must not steal.
   9. You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
10. You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.

but I'm not agreeing with Yahoo or even you, but as Yahoo says the truth hurts doesn't it

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: pdq
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 03:08 PM

In our liberalized society the Ten Commandments have become the Ten Recomendations.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 07:31 PM

The Ten Commandments are irrelevant to those of us who are not Jewish, Christian, or Muslim.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 07:49 PM

Re Jewish Population Growth a la Jack the Sailor:

"Well, yes. They mostly came from Europe and settled in a Muslim land."

Really Jack?? The largest influx of Jewish settlers occured when 820,000 Jewish people were expelled from Arab countries and had nowhere else to go but Israel. It basically doubled the population of Israel over-night Jack the Sailor.

Guess what the Israelis already there did Jack the Sailor? They welcomed them in, they gave them a home and supported them. Now Jack the Sailor, with the help of your live-in-girl-friend CarolC tell us how the Arabs treated the "Palestinian Arab" refugees on land that was rightfully theirs. It took Egypt from 1948 to 1972 to acknowledge that it had no right to occupy Gaza - Jack the Sailor please provide evidence that either you or CarolC objected to this occupation of land by Egypt that was clearly not Egyptian. It took Jordan from 1948 to 1988 to acknowledge that it had no right to occupy the West Bank - Jack the Sailor please provide evidence that either you or CarolC objected to this occupation of land by Jordan that was clearly not Jordanian.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 06:03 AM

Goatfell,

Try to get the correct text, please:
Deuteronomy 5:7–21

7 you shall have no other gods before me.

8 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me,

10 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.

11 You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.

12 Observe the sabbath day and keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you.

13 For six days you shall labour and do all your work.

14 But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, or your son or your daughter, or your male or female slave, or your ox or your donkey, or any of your livestock, or the resident alien in your towns, so that your male and female slave may rest as well as you.

15 Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.

16 Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God commanded you, so that your days may be long and that it may go well with you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.

17 You shall not murder.

18 Neither shall you commit adultery.

19 Neither shall you steal.

20 Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbour.

21 Neither shall you covet your neighbour's wife. Neither shall you desire your neighbour's house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 06:07 AM

"murder" and "kill" have different meanings.

"but" and "before" have different meanings.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 10:01 AM

I've read all of the resolutions pertaining to the Middle East from 2004 and 2006. Nowhere does any of them say that the government of Lebanon was obligated to have succeeded in its efforts to disarm Hezbollah by this time. They only say that they call for the disarmament of the militias, and that they support the efforts of the government of Lebanon in this regard.

I did find a resolution from 2004 that Israel is still violating. That one required Israel to end the home demolitions, which it has not done.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 10:04 AM

Really Jack?? The largest influx of Jewish settlers occured when 820,000 Jewish people were expelled from Arab countries and had nowhere else to go but Israel. It basically doubled the population of Israel over-night Jack the Sailor.

Where are the Arab Jews.

I tried to find evidence in what you said through Israeli demographics. According to this source. There are NO arabs who are Jews in Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 10:05 AM

Why am I being called Jack the Sailor's live-in girlfriend? What sort of slimy agenda would cause someone to say something like that?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 10:09 AM

I would also request that when someone is engaging in debate with my husband, they confine their comments to him and not include me in their responses to him. If I want to respond to points that others have made, I will, but I will not be goaded into responding by trolls.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 10:30 AM

Congratulations on your wedding CarolC.

For population figures try these:

1914 – Ottoman Empire – 60,000 Jews - 731,000 Arabs
1922 – British Mandate – 83,790 Jews – 668,258 Arabs
1931 – British Mandate – 174,606 Jews – 858,708 Arabs

1941 – British Mandate – 474,102 Jews – 1,111,398 Arabs

1950 – Israel + Arab Occupied Palestinian Territory – 1,203,000 Jews* – 1,172,100

* Increase in Jewish population largely caused by eviction of Jews from Arab countries through the middle-east and North Africa.

1960 - Israel + Arab Occupied Palestinian Territory – 1,911,300 Jews – 1,340,100 Arabs
1970 – Israel including Israeli occupied Territory – 2,582,000 Jews – 1,045,000 Arabs
1980 - Israel including Israeli occupied Territory – 3,282,700 Jews – 2,100,000 Arabs
1995 - Israel + Gaza + West Bank + Golan – 4,495,100 Jews – 3,506,900 Arabs
2005 - Israel + Gaza + Golan – 5,275,700 Jews – 5,139,100 Arabs

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 10:33 AM

We were married in 2003. There were Mudcatters in attendence. There were also threads about the wedding in the Mudcat. People who make up their facts as they go along don't ever bother to find out the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 10:37 AM

Jack:

"Among Jews, 68% were Sabras (Israeli-born), mostly second or third generation Israelis, and the rest are olim — 22% from Europe and the Americas, and 10% from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries."[9]




CarolC,

"Nowhere does any of them say that the government of Lebanon was obligated to have succeeded in its efforts to disarm Hezbollah by this time."


And nowhere does it say that Israel was obligated to have succeeded in its efforts to stopping home demolitions by this time...




The Truce resolution declares :

UN Security Council Resolution/1701


15. Decides further that all States shall take the necessary measures to prevent, by their nationals or from their territories or using their flag vessels or aircraft:

(a) The sale or supply to any entity or individual in Lebanon of arms and related materiel of all types, including weapons and ammunition, military vehicles and equipment, paramilitary equipment, and spare parts for the aforementioned, whether or not originating in their territories; and

(b) The provision to any entity or individual in Lebanon of any technical training or assistance related to the provision, manufacture, maintenance or use of the items listed in subparagraph (a) above; except that these prohibitions shall not apply to arms, related material, training or assistance authorized by the Government of Lebanon or by UNIFIL as authorized in paragraph 11;

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 10:42 AM

"security arrangements to prevent the resumption of hostilities, including the
establishment between the Blue Line and the Litani river of an area free of any
armed personnel, assets and weapons other than those of the Government of
Lebanon and of UNIFIL as authorized in paragraph 11, deployed in this area;
– full implementation of the relevant provisions of the Taif Accords, and of
resolutions 1559 (2004) and 1680 (2006), that require the disarmament of all
armed groups in Lebanon, so that, pursuant to the Lebanese cabinet decision of
27 July 2006, there will be no weapons or authority in Lebanon other than that
of the Lebanese State;
– no foreign forces in Lebanon without the consent of its Government;
– no sales or supply of arms and related materiel to Lebanon except as
authorized by its Government;

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 10:43 AM

Ending house demolitions only requires that one not do it any more. So the resolution as it is worded does indeed obligate Israel to have ended them not only by this time, but immediately after the resolution was issued.

Disarming people requires action, not cessation of action, and it is possible for people to make their best effort and still not succeed. So compliance with the resolutions, for the government of Lebanon, is only a matter of whether or not they have made their best effort. I have not seen any resolutions from either 2004 or 2006 indicating that the government of Lebanon has not made their best effort.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 10:46 AM

Are you saying that that Jews from Arab countries are not Arabs?

The link I sent seems to be saying that Druze from Arab countries and Christains from Arab countries are Arabs. But it makes no mention of Jews from Arab countries being Arabs. I don't understand that.

And putting that aside. It still seems to be the Europeans and Americans who have lead and funded the colonization.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 10:49 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 10:52 AM

Effort is not required to stop house demolitions. In fact, it is a cessation of effort that stops a behavior like that. The fact that they have not ceased the effort required to demolish homes is proof that they have not complied with the resolution.

On the other hand, no documentation has been provided to show that the government of Lebanon has not made any effort to disarm Hezbollah.