BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 03:31 AM

effects of nancy pelosi speech, has been western foreign news/propganda has diverted peoples attention from Russia to china ,
china is the latest threat bogeyman.
of course it has no effect on you, because you cannot see anything from another point of view,
try putting yourself in chinas position, see it through their eyes, an independent island that is part of a us friendlychain of islands[ BBBC DESCRIPTION 100 miles off their coast.... get real
and my previous reply was to the post above from meself. Ihave not insulted anyone i called you a little taiwaner that is what you advocate,
you have insulted me calling me a stirrer, try doing that to my face

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: Hrothgar
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 03:35 AM

If they would just change their name to "Republic of Taiwan" it might make life easier.

I hope they have by now gotten over the idea that they are the real government of China.

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 03:41 AM

It would be very helpful, and make following this discussion much easier if, when quoting from someone else’s post(s), it was made clear by, at the very least, enclosing the quoted piece in quotation marks, but preferably by italicising the quoted piece.

The lack of any indication that they are quoting the words of others makes some people’s posts appear self-contradictory at best, and virtually unintelligible at worst.

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 03:55 AM

I never say anything about anyone online that I would not say to them in person. Nor do I threaten people. As far as these discussions go, Dick, you simply want to fight. Feel free. Your threats and abuse say far more about you than I could.

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 04:08 AM

no, i want to understand the view of china. the effct of pelosis remarks have been a news switch from russia to china , they are the new enemy. Dave
you are advocating independence for taiwan, that is advocating an insular government, that is little taiwan mentality, how is that differnt from advocating uk independence from europe.
   Backwoodsman ok fair enough comment

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 04:26 AM

Taiwan is independent, Dick. There is no need for anyone to advocate it. What I am advocating is that China should not be allowed to take it over. As to comparisons with the UK and Europe situation, you are talking chalk and cheese. The UK is and always was an independent nation, even when part of the EU. There is the world of difference between belonging to a trading block and being governed by a hostile power.

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 06:32 AM

Is Xi your uncle by any chance, Dick?

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 08:56 AM

Taiwan is not independent, Gnome, China took it over from Japan.it ks offically China there are only 13 countries that do not recognise that. Is Pelosi your aunt, Shaw?

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 09:14 AM

Oddly enough, I did have an Auntie Nancy, me dad's sister. I know that it's theoretically possible but on the whole Ms Pelosi's a bit too young to qualify. Are you a Maoist then?

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 10:34 AM

The USA mid term elections will be coming up soon,

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 10:53 AM

Read the potted history I posted, Dick.

"The Republic of China, which had overthrown the Qing in 1911, took control of Taiwan on behalf of the Allies of World War II following the surrender of Japan in 1945. The resumption of the Chinese Civil War resulted in the ROC's loss of mainland China to forces of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and consequent retreat to Taiwan in 1949. Its effective jurisdiction has since been limited to Taiwan and smaller islands."

The Republic of China that took control of Taiwan in 1945 only existed from 1912 to 1949 and has not existed since the loss of mainland China to the Chinese Communist Party. The republic of China IS Taiwan and has now, to avoid confusion, begun to put Taiwan as well as ROC since 2005

The entity that is now China, under the rule of the Communist party, has never had control of Taiwan and should never do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 12:51 PM

Do not tell me waht to do
the majority of countries in the world recognise chinas claim over Taiwan, there are only 13 that do not, a small minority.

"the entity that is now China, under the rule of the Communist party, has never had control of Taiwan and should never do so." quote dave gnome
that is an opinion that is not shared by the majority of countries

Watch out China, a small gnome from the north of england is going to sort you out

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 12:58 PM

Unfortunately, Dick, it's a fact, not an opinion. Now it's yet another beautiful evening here so in a minute I'm making an Aperol spritz for Mrs Steve and meself to have in our sunshiny garden. If Nancy Pelosi were here I'd do one for her as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 12:58 PM

In the Joint Communiqué, the United States recognized the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China, acknowledging the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China.

2004 Visiting US Vice President Dick Cheney said in Beijing on April 13 that the United States does not support "Taiwan Independence" and is against any unilateral action from each side to change the existing situation across the Taiwan Straits.

    Cheney made the remarks during the talks with his Chinese counterpart Zeng Qinghong.

    The United States realized the importance of the Taiwan issue to US-China relations, and the US policy on that question was not changed at all, Cheney said.

    The US side sticks to the one-China policy based on the three joint communiques between the United States and China, the US senior official said.

    Zeng introduced Chinese government's principled stance on the Taiwan issue.

    The very fact of the Taiwan issue is that there is only one China in the world and Taiwan is part of China, the election result in the island could not change that fact, Zeng said.

    The Chinese government will continuously adhere to the policy of peaceful reunification and the principle of "one country, two systems".

    China will spare no efforts to settle the Taiwan issue in a peaceful way, but will never tolerate the "Taiwan Independence".

    Zeng urged the US side to honor its commitments, stop selling weapons to Taiwan and not send any "wrong signals" to the "Taiwan Independence" forces.

                                                    US, China have made significant progress in relations: Cheney

   The overall development of relations between the United States and China is sound and the two countries have made significant progress in their ties in recent years, said visiting US Vice President Dick Cheney in Beijing on April 13.

    In his talks with Chinese Vice President Zeng Qinghong, Cheney said the visit is very important.

    The two countries have created the foundation for close cooperation in the anti-terrorism and non-proliferation sectors, with which the US government feels satisfied, Cheney said.

DAVE THE GNOME AND HIS GANG ARE COMING TO GET YOU CHINA

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 01:33 PM

I don't know how many more ways I can say this.

The government in charge of mainland China is the CCP - Chinese Communist Party - and it is a world power. Whether the US like it or not, that is a fact. The Republic of China (ROC) is in charge of Taiwan, and acknowledges that ROC/Taiwan are one and the same thing. That is also a fact. No opinions being stated here.

The CCP want to annexe Taiwan/ROC and that should not be allowed. Are you saying otherwise? No silly comments or sacasm. Just a simple answer will suffice. Do you believe that Taiwan belongs to the Chinese Communist Party?

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 03:09 PM

Why would anyone wish for anyone else to be under the thumb of a murderous, repressive regime like China. Get your head screwed on straight, Sandman.

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 03:52 PM

GIILY MOR Get your head screwed on straight
I am not wishing anything,
I am saying that the majority of countries including the USA recognise the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China, acknowledging the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China.

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 04:25 PM

This is a change of tack, Dick. First, the USA should keep out of other peoples business and now, because they say that the CCP is not in charge of China, we should all listen to them.

I am not even sure that your claim "the majority of countries including the USA recognise the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China" is valid. Which countries believe this and which do not? As China is by far the largest country in the world, do they believe this? Or India, the second largest? Or Pakistan? Or Russia? I think you mean that some powerful western nations espouse this rather than the majprity of countries but that is just a guess. You made the claim. You prove it. We need facts, not speculation!

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 04:35 PM

"I am not even sure that your claim "the majority of countries including the USA recognise the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China"
QUOTE Gnome
iF you are not sure check your facts you are the one who appears to be speculating, go and check facts.
I said quote
no, i want to understand the view of china. the effct of pelosis remarks have been a news switch from russia to china.

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 04:45 PM

I have not yet made up my mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 04:55 PM

I am saying that the majority of countries including the USA recognise the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China, acknowledging the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China.

I don't acknowledge that. The US, in an effort to prevent war and keep China calm shifted the focus of their China policy to mainland China, but they don't acknowledge that Taiwan is part of China.

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 05:00 PM

I think it is important to understand what prompts Russia and or China to do what they do.
Pelosi had reasons for sa6ying what she did , was it mid term elections? was it to divert attention from Russia and ukraine? was she hoping for a negative reaction from China?

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 05:13 PM

Dick, you made the claim, it is up to you to provide the evidence but, fair is fair, I misread Peoples republic of China as Republic of China so apologies for that. However, this makes your argument even stranger.

The Peoples republic of China is what mainland China, run by the CCP. is. That version of China has only existed since 1949 and has never been in charge of Taiwan. What claim do you think they have on it? Just who are you saying should govern Taiwan and why? Just what are you arguing for or against as I am sure I am not the only one who has no idea just what your point is!

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 06:09 PM

When I look back at the last couple of days of this thread, I begin to question my own sanity...

Subject: RE: BS: Nancy Pelosi actions and effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 06:44 PM

There is no point here. Argument for argument sake alone. I think this has gone far enough.