BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???

Subject: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 08:33 PM

Well, well, well...

Seems John McCain/McWar can't seem to get his story right on whether or not the Iranians are training al-Qeada in Iraq....

He has repeated this same misinformation now 4 times in two days...

Yestereday, his bud Joe Lieberman grabbed his arm, whispered something in his ear and then McWar corrected himself but...

..today is a new day and he's back at it which leads me to believe that we are looking at either...

... a lair, much like the way Dick Cheney has lied or...

... a guy suffering from either complete ignorance or maybe early alzheimers...

Either way, if he's the next president we are in serious trouble...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 08:49 PM

That's a pretty inflammatory title, Bobert, ol' pal.

Kind of like if I were to start one saying, "Bobert - Father Raper or Major Dumbass?"

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 08:50 PM

The American Chernyenko

(house my spellinge?)

Or the next Reagan ...



AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 08:51 PM

Well I never did see his dad actually ride a horse - despite his funny walk ...

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 08:55 PM

More of a Senior moment than anything. We all have them as we get older. And in most cases when we are young too, we just call them something else. Even with that McCain would be an enormous improvement on the present pathetic White House resident.

But not someone you'd really want to be "Commander in Chief". Being a lot better than Bush shouldn't in itself be seen as an adequate qualification for any kind of responsible job.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 08:55 PM

"Bobert - Hound Dog Abuser or Just Plain Stoopid???"

Har! Har! Boy, one can really have some fun with a concept like this...

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 09:02 PM

Starting a thread with a title like that is proof of imbecility.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 09:05 PM

Hound Dog Abuser, without a doubt...

Just Plain Stoopid, a distant second....

More, more, LH...

Okay.... Pleeeeeze...

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 09:06 PM

I can see it now ...

McCain: I have no choice but to declare war on .. erm .. france ...

Advisor #1 (in comic stage whisper): sir that's meant to be Iraq.

McCain: Oh ... right ... yeah ... we're gonna put 'em on a rack ...

Advisor #1 (swooning - hisses) Nooooo ... Mr president ... you're supposed to be declaring war on Iraq ...

French Ambassador: (pressing hands free ear piece for his mobile closer to his head) "... yes Monsieur le president ... zoze silly americans are declaring war on uz ..."

Cue "we'll meet again" as China drops nukes on Lhasa and the dalai Lama starts going to kung fu classes ...

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 09:13 PM

LOL!!!

How's this one:

"Bobert - Closet Necrophiliac or Off-Key Shower Stall Warbler?"

I also regard McCain as probably the worst potential president since...well...since Dubya. But it's close. Really close. Mind you, he ain't had the chance to be in office and screw up totally yet, so how can we know for sure?

Now in your case, Bobert, the evidence of incompetence is already in, and by golly, it's compelling evidence. I think we are talkin' major meltdown here. Possibly a world record in malfeasance and general discombobulation. And I didn't need no Wes Ginny slide rule to work that out neither.

My advice is this: just deny everything.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 09:16 PM

Whats the difference between al Qaeda and an insurgent? The Republican machinery thinks that the public doesn't know the difference and that it doesn't care. It is trying to establish a link between Iran and terrorism in the mind of the public.

You have to ask yourself why?

The answer is too horrible to contemplate.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 09:18 PM

They don't call him discombobert for nothing you know!

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 09:25 PM

McCain has his problems, but comparing him to George W. Bush is nothing short of insulting. I don't agree with most of his policies, but I don't think he's stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 09:29 PM

WHile I don't agree with the thread's title's construction, I'd like to point out that the two aren't mutually exclusive.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 09:35 PM

"Whats the difference between al Qaeda and an insurgent? The Republican machinery thinks that the public doesn't know the difference and that it doesn't care."

Ha! No kidding. My guess is that the Republican machinery's estimate of the general awareness level out there in middle America isn't too far off in that respect.

You can depend on this: Every major candidate in the USA, Republican or otherwise, anyone who has any REAL chance of being elected, will continue to talk tough about fighting the War on Terror and about "supporting our military", and will continue to pretend the USA is saving the world from radical Islam. They wouldn't dare NOT say so, they wouldn't dare admit that the USA itself has made the bed it's presently sleeping in, because if they didn't sound the usual pro-military rhetoric, their political opponents would have them dead in their sights...and their major sources of corporate funding would cut the purse strings.

It's Clint Eastwood and John Wayne psychology in Middle America, and it always has been. There are supposedly always some terribly Un-American bad guys out there somewhere in the world in distant impoverished countries threatening our entire western civilization....trying to destroy our freedoms. Oh yeah. And they talk funny, and they have swarthy skin and mustaches, and they have dark and terrible plans to enslave us all. They must be stopped.

It's absolute BS from the word go. It's the wolf yelling to the pack, "Those sheep and goats mean to kill us all!"   But they will all keep saying it till hell freezes over. They wouldn't dare not to.

He who does not suck up constantly to the military in the USA does not get elected.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: kendall
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 09:42 PM

Q, are you aware of the ban here on personal attacks?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 09:44 PM

As long as people continue to go to church, it will always be that way. That's probably why Obama stayed away everytime Jeremiah Wright was scheduled to say something bad.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 10:29 PM

That's correct, Riginslinger. He wasn't there. Bugs the hell outta you that he wasn't there to hear the stuff, doesn't it. Now some a$$hole will say he wasn't a very GOOD Christian because he missed going to church at times. Face facts, man, you have some real issues with the fact that Obama is the guy who jus' might be your next President. Suck it up, pal. Deal with it.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 11:28 PM

That's a good point. The reason I hadn't thought of that is because I'm not sure there is such a thing as a "good Christian."

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 11:34 PM

Q, what's going on with you, lately? YOu didn't used to sound so cutting and angry/negative.

I don't see anything wrong with the title...all's fair in love and war and politics, etc. AND, McCain did get it wrong, too many times for it to just be a senior moment and do we really want someone who is going to have to many of them in the white house, anyway? Sheesh, wasn't Reagan enough?

McCain is a loose cannon and off his rocker in a few ways, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 11:52 PM

Your ceaseless obsession with the church and religion as being the source of all the world's evils, Rinslinger, is just as irrational and pointless as Hitler's obsession about the Jews or Pol Pot's desire to wipe out all educated (and/or religious) people in his nation. I think you are psychologically very ill on that one subject, and I'm quite serious when I say that.

I don't say it because I'm a churchgoer. I'm not. I don't say it because I belong to some organized religion. I don't. I say it because I recognize blind fanaticism when I see it, whatever mask of supposed reason it hides behind.

I think you ARE the very thing you rail against in your constant attacks on anything that has to do with religion...but I don't think you'll ever see it. You'll always think it's "them". It isn't. It's you.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Amos
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 12:24 AM

There's a big difference between McCain and Bush. McCain has character.

He crossed up his wires on the Iran and AL Qedahing, and for some reason it is taking him some time to uncross them. I don't think he is ignorant, just slightly stressed and absent minded, kinda like Reagan was.

A

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 12:35 AM

This wasn't a one-time thing. He's been doing this rather consistently. At first I figured it was just that the Republican party machine seems to prefer candidates with a tenuous grasp on reality, and now that McCain appears to be losing his grasp on reality, this is why they are now embracing him. But since he's been doing it so much, I think maybe he's just lying.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 12:37 AM

I think the question valid.
The answer goes like this.

Liar, Liar, Moment of ignorance, Liar

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 12:55 AM

McCain has character? As in sleeping around on his first wife? Founding member of the Keating Five...and a few other skeletons.

I get the same feeling about him as this guy: "The thought of [McCain] being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me." -- Senator Thad Cochran of Mississippi, who has known McCain for 35 years.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 09:43 AM

While he may be both of the above, what he has always been, for anyome who cares to look under the surface gloss & see the sleaze, is a rank opportunist and poseur willing to say or do anything to advance - himself.

He decries 'wasteful government spending' when the cameras are on him, and then votes FOR the very pork-barrel spending he complains about. He pretends to champion Campaign finance reform while accepting torrents of PAC money from large corporations & military contractors & etc.

On top of this, he has real anger management issues & is famous on Capitol Hill for throwing tantrums and generally being a hothead. e.g. vide ,/I>

http://www.counterpunch.org/stclair02012003.html

""In 1992, environmentalists Robin Silver and Bob Witzeman went to meet with McCain at his office in Phoenix to discuss Mount Graham. Silver and Witzeman are both physicians. The doctors say that at the mention of the words Mount Graham McCain erupted into a violent fit. "He slammed his fists on his desk, scattering papers across the room", said Silver. "He jumped up and down, screaming obscenities at us for about 10 minutes. He shook his fists as if he was going to slug us. It was as violent as almost any domestic abuse altercation." "

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 09:54 AM

He grew up surrounded by leaders of Imperial America.
He owes his career to Imperial America.
He believes that America the Empire is the only legitimate path for the planet.

So when he lies, he does it for the good of the Empire.
Whether that is ignorant or not is up to the beholder.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 10:12 AM

What are the choices again, LH???...lol...

Well, I reckon that if McForgetfull get elected then he'll have to put Joe Lieberman on his staff to follow him around and help him with his senior moments...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,pattyClink
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 10:58 AM

My choices would be Evil and Getting Senile.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 12:30 PM

Okay, back the the main theme here:

"Bobert - Convenience Store Dropout or Menace to World Peace?"

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 12:33 PM

I'll pick "A"...

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 01:38 PM

good link, Jack.

McCain is a liar of the worst kind. He is intentionally promoting fear and hatred. If he can't get his facts straight, he should never be president.

Greg F also made a good post. I had no idea McCain was such a hothead.

Would you like him to answer the phone at 3:00 AM?

Lets hope that the American Public can see through McCain's misleading statements.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 01:43 PM

No, I would not like McCain to answer the phone at 3 AM. Hell, no.

What I would like is for Winona Ryder to answer the phone at 3 AM.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 02:01 PM

So now he's on a "fact-finding" trip, meeting with other heads of states as though he's already presz. and his stand on Iraq is he will "surrender?" He would be nothing more than an extended bush regime fool. Just say NO to McWar/McBush.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 08:12 PM

Making an inflamatory statement like that, even if it's a "mistake, even if it's immediately retracted, still plants a seed in the minds of those who would be inclined to believe it. Look at how many people in the US still believe that Saddam had WMDs and a direct connection with Bin Laden. Nevermind that both contentions have been proven false and that the government has admitted as much. When people want to believe what someone says, they'll believe it despite retractions, corrections, and apologies.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 08:23 PM

LH,

Hasn't Winona been answering the phone at 3am?

Do you call her often at this time?

Are the police aware?

I'd be careful or one day McCain will answer the phone!

That'd cure you quick enough!

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 08:41 PM

Heh! ;-) Don't go all literal on me now, lox. Just talking in hypotheticals here, okay?

What I meant was, that she would be up at 3 AM waiting impatiently for my call, you see...and when she answered I would hear her lovely voice.

Now if John McCain answered the phone...specially her phone...at 3 AM...I would be quite, quite disappointed. To say the least.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Ravenheart
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 09:35 PM

Al-Qa'ida and their Wahhabi friends would murder all the Shi'i Muslims of the world (e.g., Iranians) if they could.

I thought McCain was dangerously belligerent, but I didn't realize he was so ignorant to boot. I guess they're all just Gooks to him.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 09:39 PM

Ah, but they can't murder all the Shi'ites. And they never will.

I think McCain is still trying to win the Vietnam War, only he doesn't consciously realize it.

Hitler was still trying to win the First World War.

It's a very dangerous state of mind for a national leader to be in.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Winona
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 11:12 PM

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 01:43 PM

No, I would not like McCain to answer the phone at 3 AM. Hell, no.

What I would like is for Winona Ryder to answer the phone at 3 AM.

Who is calling? and why?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 11:31 PM

McCain is not capable of much subtlety. He'd probably be happy with Rig's bumper-sticker approach to politics. He probably really does get confused between Iran and al-Qaeda.

And he is seeking justification for his indefensible position.

But I still don't see--as I've said for months-- why either Obama or Hillary don't just ask him exactly how al-Qaeda is going to take over Iraq--the threat he constantly holds over us--when al-Qaeda is roundly loathed by Iraqi Sunnis, Kurds---and now Sunnis also.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 12:46 AM

McBush, McLiar, McAirbus

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 11:48 AM

Bobert - Herbacious Tort Feaser or Malapropismist Extraordinaire?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Goose Gander
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 12:39 PM

Here's a little bit about McCain's alleged "slips of the tongue" which more or less answers the question posed by this thread.

Why? Only reason I can see is to prepare the public for military action against Iran. I expect more 'slips of the tongue' in coming months.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 05:54 PM

Now there's a slogan for Hillary--
"If a man answers, hang up!"

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 06:29 PM

Yer hurtin' my head, LH...

B???

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 08:04 PM

"If you can't outgun them, confuse the hell out of 'em!" ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Mar 08 - 12:48 AM

"...prepare the public for military action against Iran".   Not likely. Far more likely reason is to marshall all the paranoid "national security" voters behind him for the fall.   After all, he still doesn't even have conservatives enthusiastically behind him.

Or, as I said earlier, just clumsy speech. He probably tends to lump all "evil-doers" together. (Where have we seen this before?)

And the other guy didn't have the excuse of being 72 with several years as a POW.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 01:32 PM

Well, well, well...

According to today's Washington Post the US military has been making strikes inside Pakistan....

Hmmmmmm???

Didn't McWar blast Obama for saying, if elected, he would do just that if a situation arose???

McWar is sounding more and more like he is clueless about what is going on in the real world...

Yeah, can't wait for him to again crticise Obama on this issue 'cause McWar is gonna get abutt whup on this one next time around...

I'd love to write Obama's counterpunch lines...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 01:46 PM

Bobert - Persistent or just plain stubborn as a mule????

;-)

They are watchin' you, Bobert. Yer on the list of dangerous subversives and potential "terrist" insurgents now, by golly! Watch fer the black helicopters, son.