BS: Bush's complacency

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Amos
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 09:13 PM

I am always open to alternative perspectives, Bruce, from you or anyone else, as long as they make relevant sense and don't call on superstition or reactionary conclusions solely for their rationale, nor a reliance on false data like "Iraq has WMD".

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 09:43 PM

I should have said, ..."stupid bigot."   :>)

Meaning that some people (even when there is overwhelming evidence to refute the bases for their beliefs) WMD's, for example, continue to hang on to a blatant lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 12:46 AM

On the Tonight Show with Jay Leno last night, he showed the clip of Bush with the woman who is working three jobs. Leno laughed and made fun of the President's gaffe but he clearly was aghast at the president's obliviousness.

Leno, by the way, does not make public his own politics. His wife is a well known activist and outspoken critic of the administration and he acknowledges that but makes the point that he has his own opinions.

Of course, our resident apologists, I am sure, think the president was artless and cute.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: gnu
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:42 AM

Heartless and acute.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 11:09 AM

"Kerry WAS an admitted war criminal, from his own testimony to Congress and in press conferences during the election."

Kerry admitted to nothing of the kind. He had heard from reports that there were violations of the Geneva Conventions on the part of others. He was relating those reports to Congress.

"Mad Dog" Medina and Lt. Kallie were unprosecuted war criminals.

Bush's pre-emptive strike on Iraq based on lies makes him eligible for having committed war crimes. Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Perle and the rest of the Neo-con followers are equally as guilty.

Bush is complacent because he doesn't really care about the decent American people who work hard for little pay. He cynically jokes about their plight.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: DougR
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:03 PM

Jeeze, some of you folks sure do get bent out of shape over trivial things.

According to my dictionary, the definition of bigot is: "a person of strong conviction or prejudice,especially in matters of religion, race, or politics, who is intolerant of those who differ with him."
To be truly fair, it seems to me that the Mudcat is LOADED with bigots. I would inclued: Amos, Greg F., Carol C:, Donuel, and many others.

Me? I do not consider myself a bigot becauses I AM tolerant of those who differ with me. I accept that those who disagree with my opinion of Bush have every right to do so. And I would defend their right to do so.

I like to jab Amos about "his" thread because I think it's pretty silly of him to assume that anyone remotely interested in finding articles and opinion pieces berating Bush are incapable of doing so themselves. Such information is certainly pleantiful and easy to find. I am well aware that Amos does not post the preponderance of the information contained in that thread but he almost singlehandedly has kept the thread alive by continuting to post the work of others. I don't quarrel with his right to do so, I just think it's kind of silly. I think, by now, everyone is well aware of the fact that GWB beat Kerry fair and square and in four more years those who want to see a Democrat elected might use their time more productively by working within the DNC rather than ride a dead horse. Just my opinion of course.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:16 PM

Seeing as how you regularly invite people in the US who differ with your way of looking at things to leave the country, I think we can safely put you in the "intolerant" category, DougR.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Nerd
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:33 PM

Wow! What a coincidence! All the people DougR defines as bigots are liberal! What're the odds?

Get real, DougR!

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Amos
Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:43 PM

Thanks, Dougie old boy. Glad to have it clarified. I take back the nasty remarks. You're not really a shit. Dunno about the fair and square part, though. Even if it was a legitimate count, which I wouldn't be too sure about, the underlying pretexts of Bush's candidacy were so distorted and exaggerated that the vote was one by a big inflatable, like the ones that used to March in the Macy's Parade at Easter when I was a kid. Giant, colorful, waving and grinning, barely held down by ropes, full of something like hot air or gas, and not at all what they seem to be, but a sure gatherer of attention and acclimation. Back then, no-one would confuse them witht he real thing, though. That's what troubles me.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: DougR
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 12:56 AM

No, CArol C: I merely provided the defintion. If the shoe fits ...

Anybody who is under the impression that I do not respect the right of folks to have an opinion other than my own is just wrong. Have at it I say.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 07:48 AM

Doug R--

I can't recall specifically having seen you invite somebody who doesn't share your opinions to leave the country---but if Carol C is correct in her assertion that you did in fact say that--you qualify to be a bigot. Sounds like "Love it or leave it" to me.

However, to return to the thread, Doug R--just how funny did you think it was that the single mother with a mentally disabled son worked 3 jobs?   Bush and his audience seemed to think it was a real knee-slapper.

As a Republican, albeit one who voted for Kerry, I'm disgusted in Bush (again).

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 11:56 AM

Well the shoe does fit, DougR. It fits you. I've also noticed that a significant percentage of your posts consist of you telling other people to stop talking about what they want to talk about.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: DougR
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 11:56 AM

Ron: I don't recall having said that either, though I may have encouraged those who are UNHAPPY living the U. S. to find another country they liked better with my blessing.

I really don't know what you are talking about when you mention the lady with three jobs. I'm just not familiar with that.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 12:10 PM

Doug--

Do you ever actually read threads, or always just comment without knowing what you're talking about? Check the first post of this thread--hence the title.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Nerd
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 12:29 PM

DougR, you've outdone yourself!

"Gee, I don't know what the thread is about but I have an opinion anyway."

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: dianavan
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 02:38 PM

DougR - Its a good idea to read the first post so that you can familiarize yourself with the topic. After that, read the posts that follow, then make your comments.

What do you think about the president's response to the woman with three jobs and a mentally challenged child?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 03:50 PM

Hello DougR, I am Brit Hume. During a public appearance, President Bush made a woman's distress over having to work 3 jobs to support a mentally challenged child into a joke.

(Sorry about the deception, but I don't think he'll hear it unless it comes from a proper source).

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 04:11 PM

Frankly, I don't think he made it into a joke, although he laughed. I think it was merely because his mind is so slow he simply didn't understand the implications of what she had said.

And maybe he was also thinking: Ha! And they say there are no jobs out there. Ha! This woman found three of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 04:41 PM

When a guy has spent his life never having to worry about money, and whose only encounter with honest work is occasionally helping clear a little brush around the ranch once in a while then presiding over the barbeque grill, one can hardly expect him to grasp what the woman was talking about.

Work. He doesn't know the meaning of the word. One begins to think there are only a few dozen words he does know the real meaning of.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 05:30 PM

Doug R is truly amazing. And the Bushites wonder why the rest of us don't feel they've earned much respect in political debate.

Indeed, I believe we haven't had a Bushite on Mudcat who even attempted to make sense since the dear dead days of Teribus, who after all believed in facts.

And Teribus is British.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 12:30 PM

I>Doug--
Do you ever actually read threads, or always just comment without knowing what you're talking about?...

If this isn't a rhetorical question Ron, you haven't been paying attention for some years.

The man may not be an idiot, but he certainly presents himself as one.
Why people persist in engaging him in conversation is beyond me.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 06:48 PM

Mass delusion, Greg F. We're all eternally hopeful, against all experience, that someday Doug R or the other Bushites will have something sensible to say.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: DougR
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 01:52 PM

Ok, Ron, so I read the first post, including the transcript. If one cannot appreciate the fact that the president was merely attempting some humor (which must have been accepted because the remark was followed by laughter).

You lefties, however, make a big deal out of it.

I assume that all of you who are so incensed have mailed a check to that working mother, right?

Ron:it appears to me that the only thing you do well is launch personal attacks. Other than Greg F., who is a master at it, no one them better.

DougR

Well, on second thought, maybe Amos.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 02:03 PM

Like we said.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Amos
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 02:06 PM

Thanks, Doug, but I limit myself to attacks on the issues. In your case, the issues are small-mindedness, knee-jerk obedience to a fascist, a disdain for human rights and what appears to me to be an excessive tolerance for murder thinly glorified as national defense.

Nothing personal about it, Dougie. "Tell Dougie it was just business--tell him I always liked him...." (M. Brando). :>)


A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 04:17 PM

If one cannot appreciate the fact that the president was merely attempting some humor...

OK then, with that kind of a sense of humor, why're all the BuShites foaming at the mouth and peeing their pants about Ward Churchill's remarks?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: GUEST,Nerd
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 08:13 PM

Actually, Amos, wasn't that Abe Vigoda's line as they took him away to be shot?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: DougR
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 01:43 PM

Yes, Nerd, I do believe you are right.

Amos: Thank you. I was expecting remarks such as you wrote.

Greg F: Changing the subject?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 02:05 PM

I took it as a joke from a man who thinks it's pretty funny to lose sleep when you're pushing 60 because you're working three jobs and caring for a 'mentally challenged' son.

You know the expression 'Funny as a rubber crutch?'

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: dianavan
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 03:54 PM

DougR-

"If one cannot appreciate the fact that the president was merely attempting some humor (which must have been accepted because the remark was followed by laughter)."

Please enlighten me. I fail to see the humour in this woman's situation. Why would he try to make this into a laughing matter?

Do you think it is funny to laugh at the misfortune of others?

Do you think it is right for a president to make a joke out of her?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 05:55 PM

I would hope the guy cringed at his asinity when it was later pointed out to him by SOMEONE. Surely there is someone who says Nay to the man?

DougR, if you take a moment to consider what the woman was actually informing him of, you would see that with three jobs 1) she is not able to be home with her family, 2) none of the jobs are highly paid and 3) none of the jobs have benefits, 4) she is not getting enough rest. Fantastic, isn't it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: DougR
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 07:03 PM

Ebbie: I would hope so too. I'm confident when he made that remark that he did not know the whole story. If and when he learned it, I am also confident that he regretted the remarks he made in jest. I don't believe that GWB is a heartless individual as so many of you do.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 07:21 PM

No, Dougie, we are very certain that you are the truest of the true believers.

Meanwhile, very intersting article in the Post today entitled "Ex-Aide Questions Bush Vow To Back Faith-Based Efforts" by Alan Cooperman and Jim VandeHei. Seems that David Kuo, who was deputy director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatves thinks there's something real fishy about thie "com passionate conservatism" when it comes to compassion.

Kuo says, "No administration since [Lyndon B. Johnson's] has had more successful legislative record than this one. From tax cuts to Medicare, the White House gets what the White House wants. It never really wanted the 'poor people stuff'."

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: CStrong
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 07:37 PM

No, Doug, he's not heartless. He has shown himself to be somewhat arrogant, or as I titled this thread, complacent, and often spectacularly dumb.

Someone once said W. was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 09:24 PM

"Poor George. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth."
                                                                  --Ann Richards

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 11:01 PM

Incidentally, I got in a hurry- it's 'asininity'. Or did I coin a word?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 11:05 PM

We know of what you speak, Eb....