BS: American Presidential race 2024

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 24 - 07:39 PM

170+ million dollars of wagers have been placed on the election.
It's a binary bet not governed by house rules and algorithms for roulette, blackjack, or slot machines. It has no predictive power other than the pockets and habits of (degenerate) gamblers.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Nov 24 - 08:00 PM

I remember when Clinton took office, the outgoing President congratulated him on his victory, and said if he ran the country as well as he had run the campaign, the country was in safe hands,

When did America climb into the gutter?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Nov 24 - 09:51 PM

When Donald Trump rode down his golden escalator.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 02:20 AM

It’s Populism Al - tell ‘the people’ what they want to hear, confirm their prejudices, play to their hopes and desires, play the ‘Christianity’ card. But don’t tell them how you plan to do it, just talk in sweeping generalities, never get into the detail.

Yet half of the voting population worship him - I remember, after the last election, a loud, crimson-faced Trumper proclaiming that Trump, in fact, won the election and that he was the rightful President because he was “Aaaaww-dained baahh Aaaawwl-maaahh-deee Gaaahd!”.

WTAF??

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 06:02 AM

It's a binary bet not governed by house rules and algorithms for roulette, blackjack, or slot machines. It has no predictive power other than the pockets and habits of (degenerate) gamblers.

But does "the house" use the bets that have been placed as its predictor, or does it use the figures from the number of people who've voted in specific known-politics areas, etc?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 07:43 AM

Reading this morning’s article in the on-line i Newspaper, it’s very likely the US is in deep shit no matter who wins. If what the article says is correct, Trump’s plan in the event he loses is to go on the attack, claiming various forms of interference, challenging KH’s legitimacy as a candidate, etc., and ‘fomenting disquiet on a level even grander than last time.

For SRS’s benefit, this is a serious piece in a serious newspaper which does not have links to any political party. It is nothing to do with your god-forsaken ‘polls’, neither is it a random piece of internet horse-shit. It is, however, well worth reading.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 08:16 AM

Everyone knows that win or lose Trump's gonna bring a shit storm but I can't see the value of wallowing in that certainty.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 08:28 AM

Who’s ‘wallowing’ Gilly? This is a discussion forum isn’t it, not an echo chamber?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 08:45 AM

BW, you seem to be enthusiastically throwing the horrifying prospect of another four years of Trump in people's faces. Maybe you think you're performing a public service or perhaps your setting up yourself for a massive "I told you so", I don't know, but carry on with your discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 09:17 AM

I read a piece in a UK newspaper which I found worrying, and which I felt was worth throwing out there to see what others think. In my book that’s not ‘wallowing’, it’s hoping to hear others’ opinions. And ‘public service’? On a tiny, minority interest discussion forum? Really?

Carry on with your echo chamber…

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 10:15 AM

All we need to wait for is judge Juan Merchan on November 26 to sentence The Donald to prison. Yes, it is 20 days of agony until that happens, but it will shut him up. Judge delays Trump’s sentencing until after the election.

And assuming he loses, there are all sorts of other cases in the queue ready to go; the Justice Department policy of not pursuing cases close to the election has been in effect, though less so than some years. Ever since Comey put out a release about Hillary's aid's computer a couple of weeks before the election we've all know that policy has holes in it.

Anyway, the dominoes are lined up, a whole bunch of them are in play (early voting) and we'll see where they fall tomorrow.

The only person I'll be interested in following the rest of the week is Steve Kornacki. The man is a genius with the live screen, the calculator, and the number crunching he does in his head in real time on live TV.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 11:37 AM

What SRS said...

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 12:53 PM

Ok gillymor & BWM, let's keep calm and carry on, eh? As stated before in this thread, if Harris wins it is guaranteed that Trump will cause trouble, unlike previous unsuccessful contenders who concede their loss gracefully. And the level of trouble Trump can and probably will cause is out of the ballpark compared with any other contenders in previous events in the Presidential race, as far as I know.

We're on the home stretch now. Let's just watch and wait and try not to get het up.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 01:27 PM

We probably only get highlights of media coverage this side of the pond, but the turnip seems to be sewing the seeds of insurrection if it loses again through his narrative and rhetoric. This time round it has a lot more at stake if it loses due to its criminal convictions.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 01:31 PM

I’m not het up, Helen! I just hoped to hear others’ opinions of the piece I linked to, but I basically was told to shut up (for the umpteenth time!). And here I was thinking, obviously mistakenly, that Americans were all for free speech.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 01:44 PM

You think law enforcement and the Justice Department aren't already ahead of what Trump will try to pull? They got a preview four years ago, and if there's one thing about Trump, he can't help himself but brag about the dirty tricks he has in store. It's a roadmap for law enforcement.

My yard signs were stolen overnight; the GOP sign next door is still there. I had an old Biden/Harris sign from 4 years ago that I taped over "Biden" and put out in the yard. Closer to the house this time. One day to go, my voice still heard out there.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 01:57 PM

You will just have to accept the ruling of the chorus singers, BWM :-D

I'm just hoping for the best while still listening to alternative
views and keeping my fingers crossed. Along with every other sensible person!

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 02:17 PM

They're putting up fences and barricades around the White House, and I think near the Capitol in case of trouble.... so, yeah, the authorities are aware that they need to be ahead of possible problems.
   If there IS trouble, Biden won't hesitate to call out troops, unlike Jan. 6, 2021

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 02:28 PM

BWM, I heard similar info and commentary on the Oz TV show, Planet America.

Hope for the best but prepare for the worst. As that article said, one good thing is that Biden is the current President so he won't just sit back like Trump did and wait - with glee - for the violence to escalate at the Capitol. Biden already has security measures in place.

At this late stage, all we can do is watch and wait, and offer the usual Brit remedy: tea and sympathy.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 03:28 PM

A former top Trump aide called for male-only voting - being treated as "a joke" by media.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 04:19 PM

I amuse myself while waiting for the outcome by imagining the orange one wearing a matching orange jumpsuit.

Also I remind myself of the famous and influential people who are endorsing Kamala Harris including Taylor Swift, Bruce Springsteen, Arnie Schwarzenegger, Beyoncé, Liz Cheney, Barack & Michelle Obama, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 04:59 PM

Most Democrats will vote for Harris. Some are disaffected by the War in Gaza, something Democrats actually have little say in, and those malcontents will have to decide which is worse - Trump and his Muslim ban or Harris and hoping she gets things turned around as far as Netanyahu.

Republicans who vote for Trump are not the same ones who are part of the Lincoln Project and all of the other groups of Republicans who have come out to vote for Harris for fear of Trump's lunacy and the hangers-on he has attracted.

So it isn't really Democrats v. Republicans, it is Democrats v a portion of the Republicans who are so entrenched they don't care. The rest of the Republicans are voting with the Democrats.

I don't get the impression that there is a lot of third-party activity out there. It's not like Nader in the Bush v. Gore election.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 05:47 PM

For those across the ocean,

Why we have such a stupid system

Briefly, The simple answer is that it would eliminate swing states and let the popular vote elect the president, and the Republicans will do anything to prevent that.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 06:01 PM

The shitstorm of Republican voting fraud lawsuits numbers over 200 already this year. The last election had only only 126.
Trump lost 62 of the 63 lawsuits that made it to Court last time, and many Trump lawyers lost their privilege to practice law because they lied in Court.

Fences are up around Howard University, where Harris will monitor the election. If I were a gambler I would bet Trump will announce he is the winner before the count is done.

Stilly where is your sense of humor? A joke about a dictator in power can land you in prison or worse. This might be your last chance to be funny with impunity.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 07:15 PM

I have no idea what you're talking about, Don. Too many shifts in the conversation. (Please don't explain.)

Monday night on MSNBC is usually when I watch Jenn Psaki and Rachel Maddow (their regular programs are only on Monday). I may put that off until tomorrow, when they'll be on all evening.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Nov 24 - 09:27 PM

Yikes!

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 01:29 AM

Trump will win, he will de escalate the war in ukraine and increase arms supply to israel

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 01:34 AM

The Man in the Mask

Notes: words and music by Malvina Reynolds; copyright 1971 Schroder Music Company, renewed 1999. .


Come sit down beside me before the big T.V.
And watch the funny pictures they have there to look at,
Shampoo for your hair and the last polar bear,
And the man on the moon who was walking around
Then left, leaving junk on the once virgin ground.

There's old timey movies with old fashioned dresses,
The kidnap of babies and other such messes,
There's football and baseball and guys selling cars,
And then there's The Man in the Mask.

Chorus:
They say it's his face, but I just can't believe it.
It looks like a mask that I saw in the store.
It talks with deep feeling about ending some war
And stopping inflation, and it's so fantastic,
You'll cry while you're laughing, and roll on the floor.

Every four years he puts a new mask on.
Each one is worse than the one he had before,
But the words are the same and the same earnest manner,
About ending inflation and stopping the war.

The sponsors paid out a million of millions
To get him up there with his magic routine,
But it's really a bargain, 'cause there's such a margin
In war and inflation and the big T.V. screen
That gives us The Man in the Mask.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 04:27 AM

Trump will win, he will de escalate the war in ukraine and increase arms supply to israel

Sandman, you may be right, but to make things a little clearer, he will deprive Ukrainians of the means to defend themselves and Russia will take Ukraine, then Poland, on through the former Soviet states and then into Europe.
And the arming of Israel will mean the utter genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, and Israel will expand into Gaza and the West Bank and onwards into Lebanon, Jordan, etc.
In America, all abortion will be banned, racial apartheid will be reinstituted, all climate policy will be dismantled, the civil service slashed apart, millions of immigrants will be deported and America will try to go it alone, Brexit-style.
The only winners will be China and Russia, which will re-colonise Africa…

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 05:05 AM

It’s a gloomy prediction, Thompson, and I fear you’re absolutely right. For the whole world’s sake I’m hoping against hope for a KH win, the alternative fills me with dread.

What, in God’s name, are 50% of American voters thinking of?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: skarpi
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 05:12 AM

Watching from Iceland, Realy?
78 years old Trump married to Russian?
Kommúnist, you Russian Immigrant to be first lady?
Realy is this the best USA can do?
Is this Great Again? To have an Russsian Immigrant as first lady, Russian if Russia can go into Úkraína what stopp them to take Alaska?
Voting for Trump is a vote for Russia.

Where is the future in the elections, the young people who don't want war, but want a better world to live in peace.
All the best Skarpi Iceland

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 08:40 AM

I think Melania is from Slovenia.
Slovenia offers free tuition at public universities to citizens of Slovenia and the European Union (EU). It also offers free tuition to citizens of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro, Kosovo, Serbia, and North Macedonia.
Students who are not eligible for free tuition may pay as little as $2,100 per year for a bachelor's degree program. Slovenian universities may also charge American students tuition for undergraduate study. However, there are opportunities to earn a free doctorate qualification.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 10:32 AM

This thread is temporarily closed for the rest of the day.

Put words to songs where words to Trump songs need to go - the Trump songs thread. I'll save the duplication and move the most recent one there.

Go outside and work in your garden. Play music. Clean your house. DON'T WATCH THE NEWS IT WILL MAKE YOU CRAZY. No one knows anything until really late tonight to begin with.

Another pro-tip, from Rachel Maddow: Don't drink. Getting sloshed to watch the results isn't good for anyone. You need a clear head to understand what you're seeing (and to understand that you're not going to see the results likely until tomorrow at the soonest if everything runs perfectly, and a bit longer if states take their time counting.) I found a nice brand of Scotch but that is in anticipation of Harris winning and when the final AP call is made. (AP isn't the same as the governors and the federal government, but they're pretty darned good at what they do. I posted a link to it a couple of weeks ago if you want to go look for it.)